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I don't recall any of that in SoA, but man on man rape played an important part on The Shield.
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The Bastard Executioner - Kurt Sutter takes on Medieval Times - S1 - Tuesdays on FX
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I don't recall any of that in SoA, but man on man rape played an important part on The Shield.
Deified Data
Banned
Tully in SoA and the gansters that
raped Aceveda
Cornballer
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A few thoughts....
- The plotting up front is a complete mess. The basic premise that's established by the end of the episode is intriguing, and I like the setting, but it takes way too long to get there.
- The tone vacillates between camp and pseudo-serious, and the show would be much better off if they stuck with one or the other.
- Moyer does a solid job chewing scenery and twirling his moustache, and I like the female lead (Lady Love?) as well. Wilkins is a bit dull, so hopefully they can flesh him out. His sidekick (Marshal?) isn't bad.
- The violence was waaaaay over the top and gratuitous. I wouldn't mind if it served the story a little better. The battle scene wasn't bad, but the way they splayed his wife and unborn child out there was too much for me.
- They need to bring this Matthew Rhys disguise over to The Americans sometime next season.
Overall pretty disappointing, and not really my cup of tea. It's unfortunately not bad and campy enough to be entertaining, nor is it good enough to merit weekly viewing. I'll probably check in with the show from time to time, but due to the flaws and the overlong runtime, I doubt I'll be glued to my set every Tuesday watching this.
- The plotting up front is a complete mess. The basic premise that's established by the end of the episode is intriguing, and I like the setting, but it takes way too long to get there.
- The tone vacillates between camp and pseudo-serious, and the show would be much better off if they stuck with one or the other.
- Moyer does a solid job chewing scenery and twirling his moustache, and I like the female lead (Lady Love?) as well. Wilkins is a bit dull, so hopefully they can flesh him out. His sidekick (Marshal?) isn't bad.
- The violence was waaaaay over the top and gratuitous. I wouldn't mind if it served the story a little better. The battle scene wasn't bad, but the way they splayed his wife and unborn child out there was too much for me.
- They need to bring this Matthew Rhys disguise over to The Americans sometime next season.
Overall pretty disappointing, and not really my cup of tea. It's unfortunately not bad and campy enough to be entertaining, nor is it good enough to merit weekly viewing. I'll probably check in with the show from time to time, but due to the flaws and the overlong runtime, I doubt I'll be glued to my set every Tuesday watching this.
styl3s
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Although it didn't immediately grab me like SOA i was thoroughly entertained and was kept interested.
It's clearly not on the level of a Vikings or Game of Thrones but it's one of few period piece/fantasy shows i can actually watch without wanting to kill myself from boredom *looks at outlander*.
metsallica
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That was a boring, cheesy chore. I'll probably keep watching for a little while at least, but it'll be relegated to a weekend "DVR mop-up" slot until it gets so bad I drop it.
Deified Data
Banned
I can't tell if it's because the accents are really good or really bad, but half the time I was unable to understand what people were saying - could someone with a better ear for this sort of thing let me know which? Barring Gemma, who was terrible but coherent. It's like season 3 of Sons all over again.
Cornballer
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I had the subtitles on, so I can't help you there.
metsallica
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Whether they were good or bad, I agree that they were incomprehensible half the time. I rewound and turned on captions a few times but ended up not caring enough to even do that about an hour in.
Deified Data
Banned
I've decided I'm game for episode 3 since I've read several reviews that say that's where it picks up, but I'm not going to stay past that unless it truly impresses me. SoA had me on the first episode.
Edit: Or episode 2 rather, depending on if you consider the pilot one or two episodes.
Edit: Or episode 2 rather, depending on if you consider the pilot one or two episodes.
I was kind of indifferent to this. Better than I expected though and I will probably keep watching for now as it could be interesting heading forward. It definitely took way too long to get where it was going. Also the bit with the cut open pregnant wife and the child pulled out was really the most disturbing thing I have seen on TV in a while. That was fucked up. I could have certainly done without ever seeing that.
metsallica
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How bad are we talking, here? Helix S2 bad?
SORRY
(shotsfired?)
SORRY
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runs
BigJonsson
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I got confused when the main character became the executioner because the other guy with him was the real executioner, right?
And why does it seem like the Knight wields more power/influence then the dead baron?
And why does it seem like the Knight wields more power/influence then the dead baron?
Deified Data
Banned
They gave this random no-name executioner a bit too much scrutiny for a bunch of lofty nobles, but he's the main character so he had to be the center of attention somehow. Really the set-up to him becoming the "executioner" is all kinds of contrived to me. How long do they expect to keep that up?
Cornballer
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2 million fast national numbers.
Cornballer
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Ouch!
Deified Data
Banned
Can't wait to be told how wrong we all are.
Why can't you appreciate Sutter's genius, guys?
dead souls
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Good.
It looked cheap, was littered with cliches, most of the cast sucks, and the first hour was so dull that only a
Someone tell me about Landgraf and that sterling FX quality, I need a good laugh. The last three dramas they've aired are this, Tyrant, and The Strain.
metsallica
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Hard to argue with that.
Yes those are facts
Lactose_Intolerant
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They just want something good. If this show had the same production values as GoT, it would still be bad.
There's still 2 million Sutter fans out there.
dead souls
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So what happened over at FX? How does USA make a Mr. Robot and they make this and sex&drugs&denisleary'smidlifecrisis?
Cornballer
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- EW: Bastard Executioner premiere gets slow ratings start
More via the link.
dead souls
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Yep. Not to sound like a broken record, since I know I've probably made this comment a bunch of times, but I really want to see where the numbers are at around episode 5-6. Like you, I'm almost certain they'll drop, and perhaps by a lot.
styl3s
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Didn't the first episode of SOA do like 2-2.5 million? I didn't think SOA even did great numbers till season 2 and then raising again in season 3.
He should of went with a prequel SOA show, this show doesn't seem like the kind of stuff a lot of SOA fans are interested in especially when you have shows that like GOT and Vikings that do it 1000x better. I'll still watch and even if the numbers drop or stay around 2 million it wouldn't surprise me if FX renews it especially considering the relationship they have and look at Tyrant.
But I'm also sure they'll make most of their money internationally, so I'm sure that their US numbers are more gravy than anything. Still not great because they'll probably go down.
dead souls
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This show screwed up the biggest thing you can possibly screw up: the lead is terrible. He has the charisma of, well, me. At least he looks better than I do.
He's certainly no Charlie Hunnam and that sweet, sweet ass.
He's certainly no Charlie Hunnam and that sweet, sweet ass.
Cornballer
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- The Bastard Executioner - Inside TBX: Creating A Medieval Epic (cast & crew interviews + behind the scenes footage)
- Deadline: Kurt Sutters Bastard Executioner Ratings Debut To 2.1M Viewers For FX
- Deadline: Kurt Sutters Bastard Executioner Ratings Debut To 2.1M Viewers For FX
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Sutter and Leary gave FX two of their most iconic shows, so why wouldn't Landgraf want to continue those relationships? It's not his fault that they couldn't repeat their previous successes (although he probably could have given them helpful notes or something) (also, it's still way too early to pass judgement re: TBX).
FX still makes great TV and I certainly prefer it to the superfluously designed USA shows. Shows just Married, You're the Worst, The Strain and The Americans amongst others are definitely better anything USA have to offer.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I'll wait on this. The back half of SOA was such an interesting trainwreck until the snoozefest final season. I don't have it in me for more drawn out Sutter stuff.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Same here. A lot of the male characters look so much alike that I had trouble keeping track of who was who.
metsallica
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You clearly have not watched Mr. Robot. Please rectify that.
And dead souls, why did you have to remind me of sex&drugs. I'M STILL WATCHING IT
You clearly have not watched Mr. Robot. Please rectify that.
And dead souls, why did you have to remind me of sex&drugs. I'M STILL WATCHING IT
I have, wasn't big fan. Hated most of the characters and the plot was just too trippy to be taken seriously
This show, however, is just trite. But again, never liked the medevil setting it was going for since it just screamed ''Game of Thrones'' rip-off. Although shows like Viking and Rome have don historical setting successfully.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I actually think the show is more similar to 'Outlander' than anything - UK setting; budding rebellion against the corrupt authoritarian figure(s); a charismatic, yet cruel and sexually fluid knight who serves as the main antagonist; village healer who everyone thinks is a witch...
Anyway, I thought the premiere was alright.
Random thoughts:
The pacing was definitely off - the two hour premiere felt about an hour too long and I think they could have easily cut most of the scenes from the first episode without losing anything of value.
I was fine with the level of violence - I expected there to be a lot of gore and whatnot in an FX series about an executioner. There were only a couple moments that struck me as edgy for the sake of it - the unborn child getting sliced out of its mother's womb and then laid to rest on her chest, for instance, was ridiculously over the top.
Like in FX's last few dramas, the male lead lacks charisma and screen presence. This is a problem. Nailing the casting (especially when it comes to the lead) is one of the most important things a show can do.
Anyway, I thought the premiere was alright.
Random thoughts:
The pacing was definitely off - the two hour premiere felt about an hour too long and I think they could have easily cut most of the scenes from the first episode without losing anything of value.
I was fine with the level of violence - I expected there to be a lot of gore and whatnot in an FX series about an executioner. There were only a couple moments that struck me as edgy for the sake of it - the unborn child getting sliced out of its mother's womb and then laid to rest on her chest, for instance, was ridiculously over the top.
Like in FX's last few dramas, the male lead lacks charisma and screen presence. This is a problem. Nailing the casting (especially when it comes to the lead) is one of the most important things a show can do.
dead souls
Member
And dead souls, why did you have to remind me of sex&drugs. I'M STILL WATCHING IT
At least it's done this week. I've watched it all too.
metsallica
Member
You know who had a lot of charisma yet never got credit for it as far as semi-recent FX goes? And seemed like he'd have none prior to the show airing (and in the early going)? Holt McCallany. Lights Out.
We must both be hypnotized by Bob Kelly pantomiming the drums.
a secret-boss
Banned
The dream sequence kind of reminded me of Vikings
Why do I have a feeling that Katey Segal killed the wife just so she has a part in the series
Kind of doze off at some parts
Why do I have a feeling that Katey Segal killed the wife just so she has a part in the series
Kind of doze off at some parts
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