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The Batman Part 2 Delayed a Year to 2027

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
Reeves says a second season is possible but it’s probably after The Batman 2.


There are few characters I hate has much as The Penguin (Colin deserves all the awards) but if there is a season 2 that means he's not dead and I want Batman to kill this son of a bitch.
 

ManaByte

Member
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jason10mm

Gold Member
I don't get it. A Batman movie shouldn't take this long. Hell, The Batman would have benefitted massively from getting the last act cut significantly, less is more guys!
 

ManaByte

Member
I don't get it. A Batman movie shouldn't take this long. Hell, The Batman would have benefitted massively from getting the last act cut significantly, less is more guys!

Old WB DC vs new DC. WB greenlit the movie before Reeves even started writing it (he still hasn’t turned in a draft, just parts of it). Now nothing is greenlit without a script done.
 

gothmog

Gold Member
Old WB DC vs new DC. WB greenlit the movie before Reeves even started writing it (he still hasn’t turned in a draft, just parts of it). Now nothing is greenlit without a script done.
The most annoying part of Gunn's approach is his insistence that nothing gets greenlit until there's a finished script. Sure it stops a lot of the typical WB bullshit but it also means a lot of time wasted because nothing can be done in parallel.
 

ManaByte

Member
The most annoying part of Gunn's approach is his insistence that nothing gets greenlit until there's a finished script. Sure it stops a lot of the typical WB bullshit but it also means a lot of time wasted because nothing can be done in parallel.
Seems to be working OK if there will be at least 7 DCU projects released before The Batman 2 hits theaters.
 

gothmog

Gold Member
Seems to be working OK if there will be at least 7 DCU projects released before The Batman 2 hits theaters.
I think it's more that were getting Clayface and other side stories before we see another Batman film. I feel like we're doubling down on the we're not Marvel approach.

My worry is this falls flat and we're back to square one.
 
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ManaByte

Member
I think it's more that were getting Clayface and other side stories before we see another Batman film. I feel like we're doubling down on the we're not Marvel approach.

My worry is this falls flat and we're back to square one.
The problem with this delay is that it delays Brave and the Bold longer.

Unless they’re going to merge Battison into the DCU.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
The most annoying part of Gunn's approach is his insistence that nothing gets greenlit until there's a finished script. Sure it stops a lot of the typical WB bullshit but it also means a lot of time wasted because nothing can be done in parallel.
Having a finished script is just good sense, but for me it's the insistence on actor consistency/shared universe that holds stuff up. Let someone pitch a Zatanna film that you spice up with an extended Batman cameo to put butts in seats. If you can't sign Pattinson to a multi-film deal then just recast who is in the suit, just don't give him a ton of dialogue or deep introspective monologues, he is just there for some action, lend weight to the threat, and prop up the b-team characters.
 

FunkMiller

Member


Ah yes. I’m sure this has absolutely nothing to do with Gunn’s wish to have his own Batman for his dumb DCU. I’m sure there have been no behind the scenes shenanigans, and that WB - renowned for handling their franchises well - haven’t been fucking Matt Reeves around at all.

I don't believe for one second that a film maker like Reeves couldn't have turned in a competent script for a sequel to a Batman movie in three years. I absolutely do believe that he could have had that script rejected multiple times by people who want their own Batman.

Wouldn’t be surprised if this entire project is shelved due to ‘creative differences’ at some point in 2025. Feels more and more like it’s dead, whatever the reason.
 
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ProtoByte

Weeb Underling
I don't get it. A Batman movie shouldn't take this long.
Ah yes. I’m sure this has absolutely nothing to do with Gunn’s wish to have his own Batman for his dumb DCU.
If you remember, Reeves took a pretty long time with the first film as well. The end result was a pretty rehashed plot.

I bet he's having trouble figuring out how to not make this even more boring and recycled than the first.
 

Doom85

Member
It's fine as long as they don't put him in the DCU.

They won’t. Aside from other reasons like The Batman not feeling like a world where superheroes with powers exist, Bruce is stated to be 30 in The Batman, and I doubt the sequel will have that huge a time jump in-universe. Damian Wayne, who is around 11 or 12 when he’s revealed in the comics (as Talia al Ghul kept his existence a secret from Bruce until then), will be in Batman: Brave and the Bold (the Batman movie of the DCU), and he is Bruce’s son, and I feel it would be weird to have a early 20’s Bruce be impregnating Talia al Ghul (if they were to use The Batman in the DCU), especially if they follow the comic reveal that she actually drugged him in order to get him to sleep with her. I’m pretty sure the Bruce in Brave and the Bold will be early 40’s, or late 30’s at the youngest.

Regardless of what certain others here may claim, it’s not going to be that confusing to have two Batman film series going. One will clearly be part of a shared superhero universe, the other will not. There will be completely different actors. When The Batman had the one scene with Joker in it, no one said, “but wait, why is Joker younger in this movie but in Joker (2019) he’s older and Bruce is a child?!” People understand now the concept of different continuities or for that matter different universes. A Batman film series that stays grounded (Batman only, more “realistic” villains only) and a Batman film series that is slightly more fantastical (full Batfamily, full options of villains including ones like Clayface, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, etc.) both existing is awesome as it allows a wider range of the decades of Batman comics to be covered.

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A Batman film series that stays grounded (Batman only, more “realistic” villains only) and a Batman film series that is slightly more fantastical (full Batfamily, full options of villains including ones like Clayface, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, etc.) both existing is awesome as it allows a wider range of the decades of Batman comics to be covered.

Actually, I would like to see a more grounded version of Poison Ivy as some sort of eco/bio terrorist. Played by Jodie Comer, maybe.
 

TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
I can see it now.

*Team Edward Batman goes to Arkham*
*he meets Clayface*
*Clayface is The Rock*
*hijinks ensue as several musical numbers ranging from old negro songs of the railyard up to Dua Lipa or whatever*
*every song is poorly recapping the first film with the Riddler*
*Clayface ends up being Two Face in a mathematically incoherent plot twist*
*Christian Bale ends the movie riding in on the Batwing and physically harpooning one of the bat torpedoes directly into Team Edward Batman's chest. A lethal blow, lampshaded in Canon by how Team Edward Batman refused to work out. Turns out Nolanverse was canon all along.*
*just for extra shits and gigs, have Joaquian Phoenix appear in a post credit stinger fully dressed as The Joker*
 

FunkMiller

Member
Interesting to see THR now reporting that the film is no longer called The Batman Part 2.



...yeah, Gunn's killing this off for his own bullshit. Along with greenlighting a pointless Clayface movie, just so he can get his own DCU version of a Batman universe going as quickly as possible, it's pretty obvious what's going on when you stop just listening to the spin. Either that, or they're forcing Reeves to bring this Batman into the DCU.

I'm pretty much certain The Batman Part 2 is never happening the way Reeves originally intended.
 
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Ulysses 31

Member
Part 2? It's not like the movie ended on a cliffhanger...

Not anymore than Batman Begins did with Joker's calling card.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Say what you will about nolan, he turned in TDK in just 3 years after Batman begins. While releasing The Prestige in between.

These new directors are turning into video game directors. take too fucking long to get a movie going.

3 years and no script? like wtf are you doing?
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Interesting to see THR now reporting that the film is no longer called The Batman Part 2.



...yeah, Gunn's killing this off for his own bullshit. Along with greenlighting a pointless Clayface movie, just so he can get his own DCU version of a Batman universe going as quickly as possible, it's pretty obvious what's going on when you stop just listening to the spin. Either that, or they're forcing Reeves to bring this Batman into the DCU.

I'm pretty much certain The Batman Part 2 is never happening the way Reeves originally intended.


I don’t think either of the things you mentioned are remotely plausible.

Why would they kill off this version of Batman when The Penguin was just super successful?

And how in the world would they fit any of that into the DCU Gunn is building where there’s like 10 Superheroes flying around Metropolis not to mention giant flying jellyfish?

Seems far more likely we are still just seeing delays from the writers strike, and just general modern movies seemingly taking ages to develop.
 
Interesting to see THR now reporting that the film is no longer called The Batman Part 2.



...yeah, Gunn's killing this off for his own bullshit. Along with greenlighting a pointless Clayface movie, just so he can get his own DCU version of a Batman universe going as quickly as possible, it's pretty obvious what's going on when you stop just listening to the spin. Either that, or they're forcing Reeves to bring this Batman into the DCU.

I'm pretty much certain The Batman Part 2 is never happening the way Reeves originally intended.


I started to get worried about this after the last delay. A lot of stuff is adding up that doesn't sound good... No script, new guy in charge, new direction, etc.

What if Gunn's Batman is really popular and successful? Would WB want to even bother with another Battinson movie and risk tainting their new universe?

Or what if Gunn is successful with Superman and his other upcoming projects and decides to flex a little and give Reeves notes that he didn't ask for?

Seems like a lot can go wrong the longer they wait.
 

FunkMiller

Member
Why would they kill off this version of Batman when The Penguin was just super successful?

And how in the world would they fit any of that into the DCU Gunn is building where there’s like 10 Superheroes flying around Metropolis not to mention giant flying jellyfish?

Seems far more likely we are still just seeing delays from the writers strike, and just general modern movies seemingly taking ages to develop.

Because the guy in charge wants his version and thinks it'll make more money.

You seriously don't think it's plausible that a great film project can be ended in favour of another due to greed and ego? Have you seen Hollywood?

I agree folding Battinson into the DCU is unlikely.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
I think it's more that were getting Clayface and other side stories before we see another Batman film. I feel like we're doubling down on the we're not Marvel approach.

My worry is this falls flat and we're back to square one.
nobody gives a shit about clayface, and yea, it's not 2013 anymore and nobody is going to be invested in all this shit like they were for mcu. they're just wasting their money.
 

Klosshufvud

Member
Delay into delay into inevitable cancellation. The first movie wasn't exactly a box office hit and I don't know that many people that were too crazy about it. I personally thought it was boring and too self-indulgent. My experience from DC/WB is that the projects they're unsure about they'll keep delay and delay until it sort of just dies out. The Batman 2 is in a bad spot between another just kicked off DC universe and general dislike towards superhero shit amongst mainstream viewers. Nobody actually believes it takes 5 years to write a superhero movie script but I guess they don't care about how reliable they sound.
 
Delay into delay into inevitable cancellation. The first movie wasn't exactly a box office hit and I don't know that many people that were too crazy about it. I personally thought it was boring and too self-indulgent. My experience from DC/WB is that the projects they're unsure about they'll keep delay and delay until it sort of just dies out. The Batman 2 is in a bad spot between another just kicked off DC universe and general dislike towards superhero shit amongst mainstream viewers. Nobody actually believes it takes 5 years to write a superhero movie script but I guess they don't care about how reliable they sound.

It made $772M worldwide which isn't bad, but the problem for Reeves might be that Batman V Superman made $100M more than The Batman. The last two Nolan films both made over $200M more. Looking outside the Batman franchise, even Aquaman outgrossed The Batman. So I doubt that WB sees Battinson as some untouchable golden goose.

A lot of movies now are able to get into the billion dollar range worldwide. If they thought Reeves was the guy to get Batman back into that range, it seems like they'd be telling him to, ya know, hurry up with the script.
 

Doom85

Member
It made $772M worldwide which isn't bad, but the problem for Reeves might be that Batman V Superman made $100M more than The Batman. The last two Nolan films both made over $200M more. Looking outside the Batman franchise, even Aquaman outgrossed The Batman. So I doubt that WB sees Battinson as some untouchable golden goose.

A lot of movies now are able to get into the billion dollar range worldwide. If they thought Reeves was the guy to get Batman back into that range, it seems like they'd be telling him to, ya know, hurry up with the script.

Wonder Woman 1 also outgrossed it by about $40 million.

To be fair, I think the 176 minute runtime hurt it a bit. For certain people, that makes it less likely they’ll return for a second screening. I also think the Riddler’s visual appearance might have been another issue for marketing. Even the Nolan films had the villains stand out visually: Scarecrow with his mask that looks like the creepy child mask from The Orphanage (a Spanish horror film); Joker looking like, well, JOKER, and Bane with a redesign different from the comics but still visually distinct. Riddler in The Batman does not have a memorable visual look, granted it works for what the film is doing with its David Fincher-inspired style of story but it could have made people less excited if the threat didn’t really stand out in appearance.

I think Robert Pattinson’s casting also may have hurt it a bit. He’s well cast, don’t get me wrong, but a lot of people unfamiliar with his work outside of Twilight were doubting him. While people jumping to negative conclusions towards a casting in a Batman movie is hardly new, the thing is this was the first film of a stand alone series and the controversial pick was Batman himself.

With Nolan, he already established goodwill with Batman Begins, so when his at-the-time controversial casting of Ledger as Joker happened, plenty of people were willing to give it a chance even if they didn’t like the casting at first glance because Nolan had earned their trust. With Ben Affleck, the premise of Batman and Superman fighting was enough to draw in the fans even if some again weren’t sure about the casting. It was like Freddy vs. Jason, sure some of the F13 fans were upset that Kane Hodder wasn’t returning as Jason (as he is widely the fan favorite in the role), but they weren’t missing out on Jason and Freddy fighting regardless (and because a few smarties will point it out, yes Jason doesn’t talk, BUT plenty of fans prefer Kane’s build, body language, his positive input on certain scenes such as when he veto-d Jason killing a dog as he explained it had been heavily implied by that point in the films that Jason would not ultimately kill a child or animals, etc. Trust me, a good chunk of the F13 fans love Kane Hodder). But with The Batman, it was a new director (even if Reeves earned a lot of good will with his Planet of the Apes movies, not everyone has seen those and/or think that proves he’d also be good at Batman), new continuity, and a controversial pick for Batman himself. So I think it had the most uphill battle to fight out of all the Batman films since the 2000’s save Batman Begins (but that was primarily due to the prior Batman film, Batman and Robin, being infamous, rather than any casting Nolan made for Begins being controversial).

But yeah, while I would like to see both a DCU Batman film series and a Elseworlds The Batman film series going simultaneously, it makes sense to cut The Batman if they have to cut one. It did well, but not insanely well. But I don’t think it’s guaranteed they’re cancelling it yet.
 
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