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The Big Ass Superior Thread of Learning Japanese
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RevenantKioku
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Making sentences should be no more work than some copying and pasting. Really no need to stress yourself out over it.Shirokun said:
Now, I know how hypocritical that is considering how I stress over everything, but.
shanshan310
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http://hanzismatter.blogspot.com/2009/03/painful-excerpt-from-dan-brown-digital.html#comments
I don't know if you guys have heard of this site but it highlighted a paragraph from Dan Brown's Digital Fortress (Which I actually read a while before I began studying Japanese). It makes me cringe so much I feel like slapping him. ARGH.
Seriously? "Kanji language" ? Chinese is the same as Japanese but with different meanings? Translating individual characters makes sense?! ANd this coming from a guy who prides himself on writing Cryptology novels. 5 minutes on google would have remedies all problems. Instead it slipped through all the editing and ended up published. The worst part is most people who read this won't even notice. I want to cry.
I just thought anyone who knows ANYTHING about Asian languages would be interested to read this. Dan Brown is an idiot. /angry rant. :lol
I don't know if you guys have heard of this site but it highlighted a paragraph from Dan Brown's Digital Fortress (Which I actually read a while before I began studying Japanese). It makes me cringe so much I feel like slapping him. ARGH.
Seriously? "Kanji language" ? Chinese is the same as Japanese but with different meanings? Translating individual characters makes sense?! ANd this coming from a guy who prides himself on writing Cryptology novels. 5 minutes on google would have remedies all problems. Instead it slipped through all the editing and ended up published. The worst part is most people who read this won't even notice. I want to cry.
I just thought anyone who knows ANYTHING about Asian languages would be interested to read this. Dan Brown is an idiot. /angry rant. :lol
Hey what's up, J-GAF? I have some questions regarding Anki and I figured that this thread would be the best place to ask them.
Quick background info: I first started using Anki in Feb 2009 and it worked fine and everything was normal. I've since used it on and off up until probably 3 months ago. The whole time I was up to date on the version updates and everything has always worked fine.
Flash forward to yesterday. I tried to get back into doing RTK using the lazy kanji method and I noticed that Anki was missing the toolbar thing. Despite my best of efforts, including installing multiple versions of Anki, I couldn't get the toolbar to display.
What mine looks like:
http://imgur.com/GPG1L.png
What it should look like (different OS though):
http://ankisrs.net/shots/review.png
Also, and perhaps more importantly, I can't seem to get my deck to sync up with Ankiweb. Where's the option located? I see "Sync" under File, but whenever I click it it says "Sync Finished" and nothing on the site changes.
Edit: Well, the syncing is at least working now. Don't know why, but I'm not going to question it.
Perhaps I'm just a moron, but I'd appreciate any help that you guys could offer. :lol
Quick background info: I first started using Anki in Feb 2009 and it worked fine and everything was normal. I've since used it on and off up until probably 3 months ago. The whole time I was up to date on the version updates and everything has always worked fine.
Flash forward to yesterday. I tried to get back into doing RTK using the lazy kanji method and I noticed that Anki was missing the toolbar thing. Despite my best of efforts, including installing multiple versions of Anki, I couldn't get the toolbar to display.
What mine looks like:
http://imgur.com/GPG1L.png
What it should look like (different OS though):
http://ankisrs.net/shots/review.png
Edit: Well, the syncing is at least working now. Don't know why, but I'm not going to question it.
Perhaps I'm just a moron, but I'd appreciate any help that you guys could offer. :lol
can anyone recommend a good book for an absolute beginner? i looked at the Tae Kim guide and its very interesting, but i'd like something printed, preferably taking the approach of learning it in that style (ie not trying to teach you how to say english phrases in japanese for when you go there on holiday but leaving you with a shitty foundation).
it seems like the kanji would be a massive barrier to entry though, because you can't read or even sound them out to start with
should you learn those first? also i still don't get the method of learning to draw them using english words, without knowing the japanese meaning and pronunciation. surely it makes more sense to learn both at once?
it seems like the kanji would be a massive barrier to entry though, because you can't read or even sound them out to start with
should you learn those first? also i still don't get the method of learning to draw them using english words, without knowing the japanese meaning and pronunciation. surely it makes more sense to learn both at once?
RevenantKioku
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You can do any order you want. Experiment, basically.
"surely it makes more sense to learn both at once?" That is something a lot of people tried and it didn't work for them. I mean, while it's an exception, I believe the character 生 has over 150 readings. How many are you going to spend time "learning"? With this method you get familiar with the characters and then learn readings for characters as they come up in context. It works for me very well. (Being dedicated to reading is another thing, but let's not get into personal problems right now!)
But seriously, by all means, if you think it makes more sense to learn both at once, try it out. Clearly people have become proficient at Japanese without Heisig's method. I just know it worked for me.
Be skeptical. Don't believe anything people say just because they say it. But don't use skepticism as an excuse for inaction. (I forget where I read this, but it's a brilliant quote, I think.)
My wife and I are planning on taking the 漢字検定 together. We're starting with 2級. It feels wonderful to be able to flip through that book and know how to write every character, correct stroke order and all. All I have to learn now is a few ways to read them. That's cool to me.
Oh, and the whole concept behind learning to draw them first is to put you, the English speaker, on the same level as a Chinese speaking (reading?) learner of Japanese.
"surely it makes more sense to learn both at once?" That is something a lot of people tried and it didn't work for them. I mean, while it's an exception, I believe the character 生 has over 150 readings. How many are you going to spend time "learning"? With this method you get familiar with the characters and then learn readings for characters as they come up in context. It works for me very well. (Being dedicated to reading is another thing, but let's not get into personal problems right now!)
But seriously, by all means, if you think it makes more sense to learn both at once, try it out. Clearly people have become proficient at Japanese without Heisig's method. I just know it worked for me.
Be skeptical. Don't believe anything people say just because they say it. But don't use skepticism as an excuse for inaction. (I forget where I read this, but it's a brilliant quote, I think.)
My wife and I are planning on taking the 漢字検定 together. We're starting with 2級. It feels wonderful to be able to flip through that book and know how to write every character, correct stroke order and all. All I have to learn now is a few ways to read them. That's cool to me.
Oh, and the whole concept behind learning to draw them first is to put you, the English speaker, on the same level as a Chinese speaking (reading?) learner of Japanese.
scotcheggz
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panda21 said:
As far as books go, I don't think you can go too far wrong with "Japanese for busy people". Get the kana version. Whenever I've had a class or tutor, they've always used those books, so if you ever plan to go to a class or get a tutor later on, you'll have the textbook already, which is nice.
I looked up quickly on wiki, and it seems that 地デジ signals in Japan can go up to 1080i only (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/地デジ#.E9.AB.98.E7.B2.BE.E7.B4.B0)louis89 said:
RevenantKioku
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Any recommendations for iPhone apps as there are a shitload of them?
I haven't taken any JLPT tests yet, but I think I know about 500 basic kanji.
Would like to take JLPT later, so I can prove my japanese on paper.
I can talk ok, but my vocabulary needs improving, because I don't always want to use the same broken sentences and words.
I promised myself that this year I will start improving my japanese, and I guess using my iPhone in addition would be nice because it is always with me.
EDIT: Haha, best app ever. Purikurakamera!
I haven't taken any JLPT tests yet, but I think I know about 500 basic kanji.
Would like to take JLPT later, so I can prove my japanese on paper.
I can talk ok, but my vocabulary needs improving, because I don't always want to use the same broken sentences and words.
I promised myself that this year I will start improving my japanese, and I guess using my iPhone in addition would be nice because it is always with me.
EDIT: Haha, best app ever. Purikurakamera!
345triangle
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kanji flip and kanjibox are cool for flashcard repetitions, the tae kim grammar thing is a useful free download, japanese phrases does what it says on the tin (and is very frequently updated), japanese is a good dictionary that's only EDICT but has a lot of options for lists and kanji lookup etc, and wisdom is my go-to actual dictionary (though strictly speaking it's aimed at japanese learners of english so you have to be able to read a fair bit - i just find the example sentences etc far better than those in japanese (plus it's universal)).
Commodore_Perry
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My brother just got a kanji tattoo... please tell me this says, "I'm a douche."
Prime Blue
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"Power, life, manwhore."Commodore_Perry said:My brother just got a kanji tattoo... please tell me this says, "I'm a douche."
shanshan310
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panda21 said:
minna no nihongo was pretty good. It is full of examples and questions and is entirely in Japanese, and has a companion book explaining grammar, vocab, etc. In
hiragana is the first thing you need to learn. Each one represents a syllable and is pretty easy once you get the hang of it. Katakana would be next (its only for foreign words etc) but to be honest I learnt a fair bit of kanji before I actually mastered katakana.
DO NOT BE INTIMIDATED BY KANJI. Realising there are almost 2000 essential characters is enough to make some people just want to give up, but they aren't that difficult to learn and remember, with practise. Reading kids books is a good way to ease yourself into reading, but eventually (if you stick at it) you will reach a point where you can read fairly well, and believe me it feels great.
good luck.tip: every language has a seeming "barrier" that most learners encounter at some point. After the initial "wow I can say something!" bit wears off most people begin to get frustrated that they can't have proper conversations / understand movies / read books yet. If this happens, don't give up ^^ It will come with time, and practise. I'm not sure that kanji is Japanese's barrier... it certainly can be disheartening at times, but I dunno. I find reading / writing kanji to be very soothing actually :lol
Well, I've just finished RTK1 and am feeling pretty great. I feel that I can finally start learning Japanese now. :lol
So, now that I'm in post-RTK study, what more should I be doing? So far, I'm studying a deck of JLPT4 vocab that I downloaded for Anki, and I plan to try to play through some games (once the post office opens on Monday, I'm picking up my copy of 二ノ国). Other than that though, I'm not doing much and I feel like I need to be doing more things.
Also, regarding sentences, should I make them a deck separate from my RTK deck or should I stick with just one deck for all Japanese study?
So, now that I'm in post-RTK study, what more should I be doing? So far, I'm studying a deck of JLPT4 vocab that I downloaded for Anki, and I plan to try to play through some games (once the post office opens on Monday, I'm picking up my copy of 二ノ国
). Other than that though, I'm not doing much and I feel like I need to be doing more things.Also, regarding sentences, should I make them a deck separate from my RTK deck or should I stick with just one deck for all Japanese study?
TheKaeptain
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I'm going to have to take Japanese for the next two semesters. So I might in here for help once and awhile.
louis89
Member
What's up with the hanging sentence on the front page here?
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/fabula/ff13-2/
神に背いて人が得たものは、
...何?
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/fabula/ff13-2/
神に背いて人が得たものは、
...何?
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Deleted member 17706
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louis89 said:
That's the point.
Synth_floyd
Banned
"The thing that the person with a god on their back received...."
"With a god on their back" could also mean: "god riding on their shoulders" or "the person shouldering a god" or something like that. And received could also mean "got" "won" "earned" etc. depending on context. I haven't played FF13 so I have no idea what the context is for these.
"With a god on their back" could also mean: "god riding on their shoulders" or "the person shouldering a god" or something like that. And received could also mean "got" "won" "earned" etc. depending on context. I haven't played FF13 so I have no idea what the context is for these.
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Deleted member 17706
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Synth_floyd said:
It's "What did people gain by turning their backs on God?", not "god on their backs."
Masked Man
I said wow
louis89 said:
Pretty clever/convenient, eh? ;D
bigmit3737
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Can someone give me some words using this Kanji, 入?
Some common words please. Thank you.
Some common words please. Thank you.
MadraptorMan
Member
bigmit3737 said:
入れる
入る
入り口
気に入る
入会
輸入
Those are the most common ones I could come up with on the spot, but obviously there's a lot more than that.
Twilight Princess
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im learning japanese! for real this time!
skipping all the kanji, hopefully i can read japanese text in 1 month or two.
skipping all the kanji, hopefully i can read japanese text in 1 month or two.
louis89
Member
That reminds me of a time I got all worried I was in the wrong place when I was trying to get on a plane at Narita airport because they'd incorrectly translated 出国 as "immigration" on the signs. Sometimes you just have to trust that the Japanese is correct and ignore the English.cnet128 said:
vas_a_morir
Banned
Okay, guys: I'm looking for "Le Comte de Monte Cristo" in Japanese online. I have taken a liking to reading Japanese novels, but now I am in America, it is rather hard to find them. I know this book is now public domain, but that doesn't cover translations. Anybody know a site I can read 「モンテクリスト伯」? I prefer online because if I encounter a new word, (which happens with old literature especially) I can copy it or look for it easily as opposed to having to write the kanji out if I am unfamiliar with the character.
I am at that place where you can say almost anything, but you don't know if it sounds natural or not.
I am at that place where you can say almost anything, but you don't know if it sounds natural or not.
Twilight Princess said:
I assume by text you mean hiragana and katakana? Unless you're incredibly busy, you're pacing yourself way too slow. Give it a solid week of effort and you'll be reading both. Remember, a lot of language learning is reinforcement by exposure. While you certainly won't have mastered reading and writing them after a week, you'll start to read and remember them, bit by bit.
vas_a_morir
Banned
Dammit, got my hopes up.
bigmit3737
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Thanks for the answers to my above question.
Didn't know that if this mertis its own thread so i am posting it here since it probably affects some of you.
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