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The Captain Marvel movie might be better then me thought and more important
- Thread starter Slayven
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Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
God I hope they completely avoid "X character has been a Skrull all along".
Doubtful. Kamala Khan is an Inhuman, morphed by the Terrigen Mist.
They would have to do an epic level retcon to her backstory to put her in the MCU considering they banished the Inhumans to the TV wasteland. I'm not even sure what route they would go, she can't be a mutant either.
I'd like to see her sometime but I wouldn't get your hopes up on seeing her anytime soon.
He's just strong willed
Aka he's out until he's done filmimg the other show he's now in
She'll come to the MCU, but not until Peter Parker & Carol Danvers are wrapping up their trilogies
That would make sense, I'd imagine another five years at least before she shows up.
Snarky(HEART)
Banned
I could see them do "Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel", as the sequel. Establish the "big sis"/mentor relationship as integral to her character.
Duane Cunningham
Member
Basically, a brief primer on Carol post-Rogue fight:
-That happened pretty early... the original Rogue vs Carol fight was before Rogue was an X-Man. Rogue still lived with Destiny and Mystique (who at that point were intended to be her biological parents... Destiny her mother and Mystique her FATHER, but editorial wouldn't let Claremont do it. Anyway, back on topic.)
-Carol at that point had quit the Avengers over the fucked up rape pregnancy thing. In real life, Chris Claremont thought it was fucked up too, and decided to call out both the writers IRL and the characters in story.
-So anyway, Carol fought Rogue, Rogue demolished her, and sucked up all her powers AND her memories. (again, Rogue was still just a new X-Men villain at this point... in fact this was her first appearance).
-The X-Men felt bad that one of their villains had jacked up Ms. Marvel so bad, so they took her in. They also told the Avengers to go fuck themselves in a thinly veiled "we also mean this in real life" way, as mentioned above.
-Professor X used his psychic powers and after a while got most of her memories restored, although she still wasn't quite right. Like she could remember everything now, but didn't have any emotional connection to her life.
-She also still didn't have any powers. But despite this, she started going off with the X-Men on some missions and stuff. One one of them, they were going to space to do Shi'ar/Starjammers/Brood stuff. She went along because she's a half Kree space hero cosmic type even though she was de-powered.
-But uh oh! On this particular adventure she got Captured by the Brood! While the X-Men were trying to rescue her, the Brood were busy experimenting on her! And it turns out, they unlocked her powers! Not just her old powers, but crazy over the top space powers, like only Claremont could bestow on a heroine! She had an awesome new look and an awesome new name: Binary!
-She fucked up the Brood, let the X-Men and Starjammers know she was a-ok, and they all headed back to Earth where she couldn't wait to be an X-Man with her new awesome power set.
-But bad news! Xavier had accepted a new X-Man into the ranks: Rogue! Carol was happy that the X-Men had treated her better than the Avengers ever had, but she sure as hell didn't want to be on a team with Rogue.
-So she promptly said "screw this", blasted off back to space and jumped back in with the Starjammers, Shi'ar and whoever, and had many years worth of rad Cosmic Marvel adventures that we weren't privy to all of. But for the next ten years or so (mid-eighties to mid nineties), she would turn up occasionally when Earth Marvel people would wind up in space.
-Then in the 90's the Avengers creative team decided to start using her again. She had an adventure with Quasar that resulted in her losing some of her OP ness. Actually, her powers were slowly draining away, because comic books. And because when she's an Avenger, she becomes a punching bag for the writers and characters. They also took away her totally bodacious fire-headed 80's look and replaced it with a black swimsuit and mask.
And renamed her "Warbird". Oh, also she became a raging alcoholic who got fired from the Avengers, but not really fired because they like to keep her around to do interventions and stuff. PS the Avengers sure suck when it comes to Carol.(at first she had some sweet 90's trim, btw)
-At some point she started going to AA and changed her name back to Ms. Marvel, but the bottom line was that she was back to being a shitty, c-grade Avenger instead of an underutilized but kick-ass, badass Cosmic Marvel character like she was in the late 80's early 90's. Can't blame her for wanting to drink.
-Then the Scarlet Witch went crazy and the Avengers got ruined and disbanded anyway. Carol kinda got lost in the shuffle.
-Then the Scarlet Witch went SUPER crazy and House of M happened. Most people came out of it not remembering what had happened, but Carol was one of the few that got "woken up in the Matrix" and came out remembering it.
-It was so shocking that she decided to get her shit together. She got an ongoing book that was actually pretty good... it went five years, 50 issues which seems nuts by today's standards. In it, she went back to space and punched some Brood, picked a fight with Rogue a time or two, and hung out with the Kree some. Dealt with the Vell children in various fight-y/team-up-y adventures. Tumbled through the endless string of late 00's Marvel crossover events like everybody else.
-Eventually she changed her name to Captain Marvel, got a super badass new costume and became an A- grade Avenger. She got her space powers back, more or less, and sometimes she kinda goes into "Binary mode" overdrive thing where she becomes the super overpowered Binary of old.
-Now she's barely with the Avengers any more, but became the boss of S.W.O.R.D., folded Alpha Flight into it, lives on a satellite, is part of another awesome team called the Ultimates, and was part of a brief jam called A-Force, and works with SHIELD a lot. She's no longer a punching bag for the cool kids, in fact they're kind of a punching bag for her sometimes. She's in charge of a lot of shit now, and she's grown kind of abrasive and cynical. She has a tendency to take the "wrong" side when there are Civil Wars and the like. She has kind of a love/hate relationship with Tony n' Steve and other long time AAA's.
That's more than you asked for, but it's what fell out of my keyboard.
TLDR: The Brood gave her back her powers, then a bunch of other stuff happened.
Duane Cunningham
Member
The Rogue fight and de-powering? No, it gets mentioned occasionally. But Carol has been powered up and down a few times since then, so it's not really that big a deal any more. She and Rogue are still usually depicted as not particularly friendly, though.
The alcoholism is still part of the story too... she even went to an AA meeting in the middle of Civil War II.
The rape/pregnancy thing, hell no. That doesn't get talked about within the fiction. They've buried that deep. But in general, almost all of her backstory is still her backstory.
Oh, but by the way: once she officially makes her MCU debut, her personality WILL magically morph into however she's depicted in the movies, just like how Quill suddenly had iconic 80's toys floating around his ship, Tony became more like RDJ, etc.
Oh shit. Mission Report: December 16th, 1991
I think they even said this would take place in the early 90's, so that is going to be especially fresh. Even filling in a few more gaps in the history of SHIELD would be interesting, and I goes along with Slayven's theory that between Captain Marvel and Ant-Man and The Wasp that they will be filling in gaps in the history with SHIELD that we haven't seen yet.
Seems awfully coincidental that both those movies come out after one another and are sandwiched between Infinity War and Avengers 4, like they may both be setting up a few things for Avengers 4.
Much of it hasn't been disavowed, as shitty as she has been treated often times. Avengers #200 however will never, ever be really addressed again. Claremont tried and even he only scratched the surface.
In all honesty though, what is there to say? It's a comic where the Avengers are fine with rape. There's nothing to explain. It's a piece of shit comic.
Being head of SWORD and Alpha Flight.
That will never not be funny. They couldn't be bothered to make up new characters they just put a bunch of Canadians on rocket and called it day. Like what makes Puck and Aurora space specialists? One was born during a time when indoor plumbing was new and the other is nuttier then a bag full of squirrel shit
That will never not be funny. They couldn't be bothered to make up new characters they just put a bunch of Canadians on rocket and called it day. Like what makes Puck and Aurora space specialists? One was born during a time when indoor plumbing was new and the other is nuttier then a bag full of squirrel shit
But they didn't do the best film from Marvel to combine practical & visual effects, which was Guardians of the Galaxy.
No, but they are doing Thor: Ragnarok, which looks so far like it's going to top Guardians.
At least from a CG and art perspective.
SomedayTheFire
Member
It wouldn't be a retcon if they changed Kamala's back story to bring her into the MCU. Can't retcon what doesn't already exist. They'd probably do some alien tech shit changed up her molecules, or random alien "not terrigen mist" mist bomb.
nah, she won't be hanging around metropolis
she'll be in space fighting giant robots and stuff
BKatastrophe
Member
Tony pushed the Sokovia Accords out of guilt which then turned into a personal vendetta against Bucky and by extension Steve.
That film was completely and utterly personal for him. Making him a Skrull defeats that.
Really? The scenes by himself? Who the fuck is he acting for?
In the films? It just didn't happen. Simple as that. Carol jumped straight to Captain Marvel.
Hm, yeah I guess you're right. That would be a bit of a stretch... though I still like the idea that one of the biggest heroes could possibly be a Skrull.
BKatastrophe
Member
If we're talking strictly Avengers, then Hawkeye, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Falcon, and War Machine would be the best bets. Doesn't make sense with any of the cosmic and magic heroes. Or Black Panther and Ant-Man.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
No hero to date will be a Skrull. Feige and co would be insane to try and spin that shit.I think we're more likely to see a more predictable twist where the Skrull plant turns out to be someone inside SHIELD who causes Nick to lose his eye, someone like a 90s era Coulson or Hill.
Though if this is 90s set, I hope we see a glimpse of a young Coulson.
Though if this is 90s set, I hope we see a glimpse of a young Coulson.
BKatastrophe
Member
I doubt it'd be a major character. I'd bet on Hill or some random side character. Like Darcy.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
The thing is, the film takes place in the 90s. No modern day Avenger was active, so for a twist to hold that kinda weight as some people suggest, it'd have to be a much older character. Having it be someone like Fury would undermine his whole role in the series, someone like Hill wasn't even born or just a kid in the time period. I mean, it could be someone like a SHIELD head, like Alexander Pierce, but I doubt they'd do that twist twice in a row.
What I'm most curious about is the tone/genre of this film. If Winter Soldier is a conspiracy thriller, Iron Man 3 is a buddy cop movie, Spider-Man is a coming-of-age film, what is Captain Marvel? A war movie? Training Day for Superheroes? Top Gun?
I mean
Setting the foundation for a possible Skrull secret oos mission before the Infinity War concludes is mighty neat
Just sayin
What if Howard Stark was a Skrull?
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
And Bucky killed the Skrull Stark and the real Stark was either dead long ago or he's alive in the cosmos and then we can resurrect Tony's daddy issues again.
What if Bucky is a Skrull?
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Probably. Though Black Widow would be the most disappointing. She's already a spy and her being an alien spy wouldn't be that shocking for me.
Falcon or War Machine would be pretty cool though.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
They'd be kids or teens in the 90s tho unless there's a modern day coda (but since it's happening after Infinity War is released, I'm not sure they wanna throw that kinda wrench in the middle of that storyline)
If bucky was a skrull his organs and skeleton would be in storage at some former hydra lab in some fake eastern european country.
You keep acting like it's impossible for a Skrull to come and snatch anyone up in the modern era
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I'm assuming the whole film takes place in the 90s. I mean, they could do that once infinity war wraps up
In the comics wasn't Black Widow injected with a Russian version of the Super Soldier Serum and has been active since the Soviet era?
Perhaps that could be brought into the MCU to show that she has been active for a while.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
She was born in like 1980something in the MCU according to Zolo unless the records were wrong
Well she is a spy so that could have been faked.
People aren't running off of the premise this possible Skrull reveal happens in the CM movie
At all
We're assuming it happens in Avengers 4
But the switch doesn't have to happen in the 90's. It could have happened of screen, maybe between Winter Soldier and Civil War. Or somewhere else.
Since Skrulls are probably on earth since the 90's the possibilitys for when and where are almost endless.
That's what I like about this idea as well. You could easily phase out RDJ. The real Tony's already dead when we find out there's an imposter. Would be a great shocker and finally add some real mortality to the MCU.
SuperEpicMan
Banned
I don't think we will see a situation where any of the heroes have been skrulls all along. I think if any of the heroes end up being replaced, it will occur after Infinity War. That said, I do think some of the more minor characters could be replaced like General Ross, Pepper Potts, Everett Ross and Maria Hill. Up to now they could have been shaping events and influencing people so to me it makes sense. Also Ross could use the Raft to start replacing heroes.
Also, I quite liked the idea I had read somewhere here, where Captain Marvel fights the skrulls in the 90s and somehow winds up in the present day freaking out about how the skrulls are here.
Also, I quite liked the idea I had read somewhere here, where Captain Marvel fights the skrulls in the 90s and somehow winds up in the present day freaking out about how the skrulls are here.
I'd make it so that Fury was replaced with a Skrull when Bucky shot him. Black Widow was replaced by Veranke when she went into hiding at the end of Civil War. Banner never makes it off of Sakaar and is replaced by a Super Skrull.
And just make Maria Hill a Skrull from day 1 since she bares no resemblance to her book self anyway.
Secret Fawful
Member
I'm not sure if it's better or worse that Spider-Man was given his suit, title, tech, etc. by a Skrull. Or that a Skrull was as smart as Tony at his own tech.
Yep. Kid Nova, Miles and Kamala will be introduced in phase 7, or at the end of phase 6 as they are wrapping up their second Avengers arc.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
What if the President of the United States is a Skrull and he imprisons all the heroes in an Ultra-MAX Raft-like thing times ten, and then the next Avengers film is basically Prison Break.
BKatastrophe
Member
Yeah Secret Invasion stuff is gonna be a rough work
Problem is that we saw him on the other side of the portal. If we hadn't, then maybe. Again, makes his scenes in CW completely undermined.
