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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD

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The film tries to make Batman into a mythical anti-hero with his sacrifice at the end, but the whole thing is moot really - Batman will be ‘hunted’ for about 10 minutes and then he’ll be Bruce Wayne again, so he won’t be in any danger! Anyway - what has changed since the beginning of the film? Gordon tells Dent that the official policy is to ‘arrest the vigilante known as Batman on sight’. Is this not the same situation at the end of the film?!
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cvkpaladin said:
As for the logistics of planting bombs everywhere (hospitals + boats + prison guy), yeah, that seems a little farfetched as does the escape from the bank robbery. But eh, I'll just figure that it's still in a comic book universe and shit in that universe goes unnoticed for the most part which is also why nobody noticed the Joker's scars during the parade. lol
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The methods the Joker uses to constantly achieve his plans don't have to be explained, and that's the whole point. His character is meant to be similar to Anton Chigurh from No Country For Old Men. He's a random force of nature, unknown origin, inexplicable and with no real motivations, that runs through the film like a hurricane. How many of Anton's actions go unexplained in the film (and book)? Damn near all of them. Same thing with Joker, and that's the point - it's to show what's happening mainly from the point of view of the "good guys" - to convey how unmatched and lost they basically are against something they can't understand or defend against.
 
Zeliard said:
The methods the Joker uses to constantly achieve his plans don't have to be explained, and that's the whole point. His character is meant to be similar to Anton Chigurh from No Country For Old Men. He's a random force of nature, unknown origin, inexplicable and with no real motivations, that runs through the film like a hurricane. How many of Anton's actions go unexplained in the film (and book)? Damn near all of them. Same thing with Joker, and that's the point - it's to show what's happening mainly from the point of view of the "good guys" - to convey how unmatched and lost they basically are against something they can't understand or defend against.
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I wish (if Heath was alive) there would just be a weekly Joker TV show where he gets in and out of all these zany situations. one movie wasn't enough :[



A friend told me that Goyer basically confirmed that the joker was supposed to be in the next film in a radio interview. something like "Was the joker suppsoed to be in the next film?" "Well, I can't really say for sure, but if Heath was alive, of course we'd have him back." :-/
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
I wish (if Heath was alive) there would just be a weekly Joker TV show where he gets in and out of all these zany situations. one movie wasn't enough :[



A friend told me that Goyer basically confirmed that the joker was supposed to be in the next film in a radio interview. something like "Was the joker suppsoed to be in the next film?" "Well, I can't really say for sure, but if Heath was alive, of course we'd have him back." :-/
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Yeah, the character is hugely popular and they would've likely brought him back if Heath was alive, though I don't know if that would actually have been the best idea. Don't get me wrong, Heath gave a truly stunning performance by any measure, but the Joker as a one-movie villain in Nolan's universe is so perfect. It fits with the whole "force of nature" theme of the Joker. He shows up out of nowhere, wrecks a bunch of chaos, and then he's just as soon gone. And everyone left standing has no idea what the fuck just happened.

Even then, I wouldn't have minded the Joker brought back because Heath was so perfect in that role, but bringing back the Joker now that Heath is gone? That would be a huge mistake.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
This is where I determined this was a complete and utter joke:lol
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Well to be fair to him, he does say in the beginning that it wasn't his list, and that someone sent it to him.
 
Guzim said:
Well to be fair to him, he does say in the beginning that it wasn't his list, and that someone sent it to him.
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Yea I read that. i was gonna leave a sarcastic comment but then i saw that comment where he said he didn't actually agree with all of it. Still though, whoever did write it.....is so retarded he's a borderline genius.
 
Syph said:
Yeah indeed.. The movie was great but all these little writing mistakes took away from the magic.
This dude found a lot of these things:
http://drinkmymilkshake.wordpress.c...hy-the-dark-knight-fails-as-a-coherent-story/
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My favorite was when he got caught up in his own circular logic about Gordon faking his death. The author claims that it was an unnecessary plan because The Joker thought he was dead and thus his family would not be at risk.

He, unfortunately, fails to acknowledge that The Joker only thought Gordon was dead because he faked his own death.
 
Masked Man said:
My favorite was when he got caught up in his own circular logic about Gordon faking his death. The author claims that it was an unnecessary plan because The Joker thought he was dead and thus his family would not be at risk.

He, unfortunately, fails to acknowledge that The Joker only thought Gordon was dead because he faked his own death.
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:lol

Yeah, that was great.

"Why would you put your family through the worst trauma imaginable when they were not even at risk?! Gordon says he faked his death because his family was at risk but this is utter nonsense. Why? Because the Joker thinks Gordon is dead. If he’s dead, he’s not a threat ergo his family is not at risk."

Cue biggest facepalm on the planet.
 
Costanza said:
:lol such an awful article
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Yeah...the one that stood out to me was when he pointed out the bullet fingerprint part. Besides that whole technique being laughable to begin with, let's pretend it works. When I read what he said about finding the fingerprints on the bullets not working because the person touches the casing, not the bullet...I thought "oh yeah...wow, never thought of tha....wait a minute". The bullet sticks out of the front of the casing, making it an easy target for something like a thumb print.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
5. The Rachel/Dent/Wayne triangle.

I hated the fact that Rachel was in a serious relationship with Dent yet she still kissed Wayne on the balcony at that party. This made me lose respect for her character because she is basically cheating on Dent.

This is where I determined this was a complete and utter joke:lol
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Reminds me of the whole Cereal Killer fiasco.
 
Yeah yeah I know the article is ridiculous on most parts but I still haven't got a serious answer on my question dudes?
Don't worry fanboys I loved the movie too so you don't have to go in a nerdrage but admit that some things didn't add up in the story..
 
Syph said:
I agree, some things ARE ridiculous though. As I said before, they checked all the bridges and boats but they didn't find all those barrels and explosives in the machine rooms of the boats?
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I guess they were too busy checking all the bridges and boats in the city to check the engine room of the two ferries? Maybe the Joker used some of the corrupt cops in the city to his advantage? It's a movie? I dunno.
 
Syph said:
Yeah yeah I know the article is ridiculous on most parts but I still haven't got a serious answer on my question dudes?
Don't worry fanboys I loved the movie too so you don't have to go in a nerdrage but admit that some things didn't add up in the story..
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Learn how to read:

Zeliard said:
The methods the Joker uses to constantly achieve his plans don't have to be explained, and that's the whole point. His character is meant to be similar to Anton Chigurh from No Country For Old Men. He's a random force of nature, unknown origin, inexplicable and with no real motivations, that runs through the film like a hurricane. How many of Anton's actions go unexplained in the film (and book)? Damn near all of them. Same thing with Joker, and that's the point - it's to show what's happening mainly from the point of view of the "good guys" - to convey how unmatched and lost they basically are against something they can't understand or defend against.
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People had these same dumbass criticisms for No Country For Old Men because they didn't understand the Anton Chigurh character. "But omg, how does he find people so easily?! Plot hole!"

Spending your time trying to piece together exactly how the Joker was able to do the things he did is both pointless and irrelevant to what the film was trying to do.
 
Zeliard said:
Learn how to read:

People had these same dumbass criticisms for No Country For Old Men because they didn't understand the Anton Chigurh character. "But omg, how does he find people so easily?! Plot hole!"

Spending your time trying to piece together exactly how the Joker was able to do the things he did is both pointless and irrelevant to what the film was trying to do.
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The Joker himself says it best: "I just do things."
 
Zeliard said:
Learn how to read:



People had these same dumbass criticisms for No Country For Old Men because they didn't understand the Anton Chigurh character. "But omg, how does he find people so easily?! Plot hole!"

Spending your time trying to piece together exactly how the Joker was able to do the things he did is both pointless and irrelevant to what the film was trying to do.
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No need to get so defensive, it wasn't a criticism it was just a question, as I said in my first post I thought I missed something.

No country for old men was great by the way, just like TDK.
 
Syph said:
No need to get so defensive, it wasn't a criticism it was just a question, as I said in my first post I thought I missed something.

No country for old men was great by the way, just like TDK.
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It's cool. Sorry I lashed out in nerdrage. :D
 
just went to see TDK again, this time with my cousin (huge batman fan). he's a doctor and this was his first chance to go to the movies since the release. when it was over and we started discussing the movie, the poor guy was almost too embarrassed to state what he didn't like about the movie (of course he generally LOVED it), as he felt it'll make him look like a 12 y/o fanboy :lol.

he said that the fighting sequences could've been better, as he felt that batman's movement and punches were pretty heavy, he said "he's supposed to be a sort of a ninja" (while blushing :lol). i mean i'm not a batman expert, so i can't judge (maybe you people can). he thought that he should've been less visible through the fighting, and that Nolan should've increased the presented more scenes where the mobs are standing one second then *flash* and they're all down the second after.

i haven't followed this thread for some time now, so did any GAFer feel the same way too, or is my cousin just nitpicking?
 
Jinfash said:
just went to see TDK again, this time with my cousin (huge batman fan). he's a doctor and this was his first chance to go to the movies since the release. when it was over and we started discussing the movie, the poor guy was almost too embarrassed to state what he didn't like about the movie (of course he generally LOVED it), as he felt it'll make him look like a 12 y/o fanboy :lol.

he said that the fighting sequences could've been better, as he felt that batman's movement and punches were pretty heavy, he said "he's supposed to be a sort of a ninja" (while blushing :lol). i mean i'm not a batman expert, so i can't judge (maybe you people can). he thought that he should've been less visible through the fighting, and that Nolan should've increased the presented more scenes where the mobs are standing one second then *flash* and they're all down the second after.

i haven't followed this thread for some time now, so did any GAFer feel the same way too, or is my cousin just nitpicking?
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well maybe. i know a lot of the complaints about BB revolved around the action/fight scenes. ppl said it was with shaky cam. you don't see much. that does fit batman though because he is supposed to be a stealth fighter who takes enemies down fast.

i think nolan heard those complaints and made this movie have more visible hand to hand fighting. i guess you cant really win in this situation. especially because unlike the comics/cartoons batman is not wearing cloth, but rather rubber or metal. he cant move as fluidly to choreograph martial arts. its either "heavy" hand to hand combat or quick ninja esque fight scenes.
 
So what's going on WW for TDK? Has it not opened everywhere or something? It's not even gonna take 1st of this year world wide.
 
Vard said:
Seeing it in IMAX is an amazing experience.
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What exactly does the IMAX version do better? I know the screen is bigger n all, but only some scenes were shot with the film so does the rest of the movie not look as good?

And for those who may work at a cinema or something, what resolution do the movies display at? I was at Famous Players and before the movie started, I guess their projector or whatever for the ads n such reset and it said "720p" in the top right corner. Maybe it was just for the ads? Not that it really matters but just out of curiosity :D
 
msdstc said:
So what's going on WW for TDK? Has it not opened everywhere or something? It's not even gonna take 1st of this year world wide.
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boxofficemojo only updates the foreign market results once a week apparently. If it does $250m overseas (twice what it is now), it'll beat Indy IV for the #1 spot.
 
msdstc said:
So what's going on WW for TDK? Has it not opened everywhere or something? It's not even gonna take 1st of this year world wide.
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I've been wondering this myself. Domestically, it's close to overtaking Spider-Man, but its overseas earnings seem pretty small.
 
Zeliard said:
I've been wondering this myself. Domestically, it's close to overtaking Spider-Man, but its overseas earnings seem pretty small.
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Only five countries are counted and only after a little over a week of being in theaters.
 
jett said:
Batman isn't as popular overseas...and it's been a slow rollout for now. More countries still to come.
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Before TDK came out and looking at the Begins numbers, I would say the same thing about the franchise domestically. Spidey3 beat the pants off BB.

TDK got the ticket sales by word of mouth.

Edit: 8/9 rollout in Japan and that's going to be the #1 or #2 international market. It usually is for most big summer movies.
 
jett said:
Batman isn't as popular overseas...and it's been a slow rollout for now. More countries still to come.
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Code: 
                Indy IV (2 months)             TDK  
Brazil          $13.1m                         $10.6m (9 days)
Australia       $25.2m                         $27.4m (10 days)
Italy           $5.3m                          $18.4m (6 days)
Mexico          $11.5m                         $15.4m (9 days)
UK              $77.8m                         $22.4m (2 days)

It'll do better with time. It won't beat Indy IV, but it won't have to to be the #1 movie worldwide this year.
 
TDK was packed full during the first weekend here, but some countries still don't have the movie, I'm thankful we got it like only one week after the USA release.
The marketing was crazy also, really, really strong.
 
AniHawk said:
Code: 
                Indy IV (2 months)             TDK  
Brazil          $13.1m                              $10.6m  (9 days)
Australia   $25.2m                               $27.4m (10 days)
Italy           $5.3m                                 $18.4m (6 days)
Mexico        $11.5m                               $15.4m (9 days)
UK              $77.8m                              $22.4m  (2 days)
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I'm not sure if that is the best comparison to use Mr. Hawk. There are many intangibles in comparing overseas box offices as no other country are as much media driven whores as we are. Indy I don't think has the same appeal as most superheros in several countries as well as Bats not having the same appeal as Spidey.
 
Zeliard said:
:lol

Yeah, that was great.

"Why would you put your family through the worst trauma imaginable when they were not even at risk?! Gordon says he faked his death because his family was at risk but this is utter nonsense. Why? Because the Joker thinks Gordon is dead. If he’s dead, he’s not a threat ergo his family is not at risk."

Cue biggest facepalm on the planet.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

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sikkinixx said:
What exactly does the IMAX version do better? I know the screen is bigger n all, but only some scenes were shot with the film so does the rest of the movie not look as good?

And for those who may work at a cinema or something, what resolution do the movies display at? I was at Famous Players and before the movie started, I guess their projector or whatever for the ads n such reset and it said "720p" in the top right corner. Maybe it was just for the ads? Not that it really matters but just out of curiosity :D
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The scenes shot in IMAX look great and everything, but the real draw of IMAX, I think, is the sound. Everything just sounds so visceral and real. You really can't get the same thing at an average movie theater.
 
Zeliard said:
"Why would you put your family through the worst trauma imaginable when they were not even at risk?! Gordon says he faked his death because his family was at risk but this is utter nonsense. Why? Because the Joker thinks Gordon is dead. If he’s dead, he’s not a threat ergo his family is not at risk."
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Just saw this. You know what? I really wanted the Joker to win. You know the part with Joker sticking his head out the cop car window, smile on his face? I wanted the movie to end right there.
 
USD said:
Just saw this. You know what? I really wanted the Joker to win. You know the part with Joker sticking his head out the cop car window, smile on his face? I wanted the movie to end right there.
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He did, Batman killed Harvey took the blame for his killings and broke Harvey .
 
USD said:
Just saw this. You know what? I really wanted the Joker to win. You know the part with Joker sticking his head out the cop car window, smile on his face? I wanted the movie to end right there.
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He just about did win. outside of getting arrested (fo realz this time), not breaking Batman and the ferries, he got his way the whole damn movie.
 
Prime crotch said:
He did, Batman killed Harvey took the blame for his killings and broke Harvey .
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Yeah, I know for the most part he did, but he still got caught (even though he didn't really care that much about it).

He still gave me my enjoyment though. I had a huge smile on my face in every single scene the Joker was in.
 
Prime crotch said:
He did, Batman killed Harvey took the blame for his killings and broke Harvey .
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Love the foreshadowing in this movie.

Joker: "And tonight you're gonna break your one rule"

Harvey: "One Day Batman Will Have to Answer for the Laws He's Broken"
 
Darko said:
Love the foreshadowing in this movie.

Joker: "And tonight you're gonna break your one rule"

Harvey: "One Day Batman Will Have to Answer for the Laws He's Broken"
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prefacing what the joker said:

"Then that's the rule you'll have to break to know the truth."


so good.
 
Awww, how cute, as I was walking out of the theater there was a little kid wearing a Batman outfit :lol

Just a few things on my second viewing:
- never noticed the safe cracker using his shoes after he got shocked
- the dead Batman made me jump again >_<
- it looked like he did make his cape go rigid after catching Rachel
- How did the cops know to go after the schizo after the attempt on the mayor?
 
Zoe said:
- How did the cops know to go after the schizo after the attempt on the mayor?
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I think he was one of the guys who actually tried to be caught, since he had the Rachel Dawes thing on his uniform.
 
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