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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD

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killertofu said:
So...my parents just dove into the HDTV bandwagon. Bought a 46 inch HDTV, Bluray player, and a 5.1 surround sound system...


...all for the dark knight.
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killertofu,

I am your father.
 
Grimm Fandango said:
The movie has basically made a billion dollars in worldwide gross.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=darkknight.htm

Just in time for DVD and Blu-ray sales to break even more records. Fastest selling for both? I expect it.
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Dark Knight records, according to that link

Record | Rank
All Time Domestic 2
All Time Adjusted 26
All Time Worldwide 4
Top Movies in the Past 365 Days 1
Yearly 2008 1
Yearly Opening Weekends 2008 1
Yearly PG-13 Rated 2008 1
Worldwide Openings 12
Worldwide Yearly 2008 1
Opening Weeks 1
Opening Day Gross 1
Theater Averages (Wide Releases) - All Time 2
Theater Averages - Wide Opening Weekends 2
Friday to Saturday Drops on Opening Weekends 15
Opening Weekends 1
Opening Weekends - July 1
Opening Weekends - Summer 1
Top 10-Day Grosses 1
Top 3-Day Grosses 1
Top 4-Day Grosses 1
Top 6-Day Grosses 1
Top 7-Day Grosses 1
Top 8-Day Grosses 1
Top 9-Day Grosses 1
Top 5-Day Grosses 1
Second Weekends 1
Third Weekends 2
Fourth Weekends 3
Fifth Weekends 4
Rated PG-13 2
Rated PG-13, Opening Weekends 1
Widest Releases 1
Widest Opening Releases 1
Fastest to $100 million 1
Fastest to $150 million 1
Fastest to $200 million 1
Fastest to $250 million 1
Fastest to $300 million 1
Fastest to $350 million 1
Fastest to $400 million 1
Fastest to $450 million 1
Fastest to $500 million 1
 
CajoleJuice said:
The Blu-ray/DVD split will cause pandemonium.
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Absolutely. Easily hundreds of copies to places like Best Buy. Hell even some BBs are doing midnight releases just for the movie!

I might take pictures of the piles when I pick up my copy on Tuesday.


edit: whoops misread your post :lol

+1 Blu-ray from me.
 
I think many of you will be disapointed with the Dark Knight Blu Ray. The Batman parts are great but the Wereman parts suck.
 
shagg_187 said:
Let me predict by saying that The Dark Knight will sell twice the amount of Blu-rays than DVD.
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What was Ironman like? I think Blu-ray sold more but I don't recall by how much.

I'm thinking a similar ratio may be seen with TDK.
 
shagg_187 said:
Let me predict by saying that The Dark Knight will sell twice the amount of Blu-rays than DVD.
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I am with you when it comes to Blu-Ray outselling DVD on this one, but its just a matter of how many more copies it will sell. I can't see it selling double. How much did The Incredible HULK outsell the DVD release in the first week?
 
Ken Masters said:
sorry, I haven't been religiously following this 130+ pg thread to get all the inside jokes
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There was no inside joke involved. He summarized the plot of Batman Forever.

As for the blu-ray, well gonna be there day.. whenever Amazon delivers.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
Why the hell is this thread still going?
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I was reading up the Wikipedia page for the Batman: Arkham Asylum and it mentioned that Victor Zsasz would be one of the villains. I then started reading his Wiki and I thought he's pretty interested and would fit well in one of Nolan's Batman movies. He's a serial killer who "usually kills with a knife and carves a tally mark somewhere on himself whenever he kills someone."

Well apparently he was in Batman Begins!
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He worked for Falcone as a hitman and was sent to Arkham thanks to Crane. When Ra's attacks Gotham, he's released and is one of Rachel's attackers, but Batman saves her. "Zsasz is revealed to have remained at large in one of the promotional websites for The Dark Knight."

I just thought this was interesting. It'd be pretty cool if they brought him back in the next one since Gotham is in chaos again. I wonder if there are any other villains I didn't notice?
 
jesus christ...that character would be amazingly dark for the 3rd film.
if thats the story nolan went with if the 3rd film is made that would be awesome.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-12-07-dark-knight-nolan-scenes_N.htm

The bank is robbed

The story: The sequence is one of four that Nolan shot on IMAX, and he filmed it two weeks before principal photography began. "We wanted to see how much we could do on IMAX, how elaborate we could go," Nolan says. "Essentially, it was a test to see if we'd driven over the cliff."

Turns out, "there really wasn't anything we couldn't do," he says. "You can only shoot for 2½ minutes on that big IMAX film, so our takes were pretty short. But it was a great way to let Heath warm up."

Look for: Two gangsters hurtling between two Chicago high-rise buildings. Like most of the stunts and explosions in Knight, there is minimal computer-generated magic. "Those guys really were on that wire," Nolan says. "That's not a green screen. I'm not comfortable that high up, but they really got into it."
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Joker does a 'magic trick'

The story:Knight co-writer Jonathan Nolan (Christopher's brother) came up with the idea for the Joker to make a pencil disappear — by slamming a mobster's skull onto it. Then the Joker leaves his calling card.

"When Jonathan wrote it, I didn't really see it working," Nolan says.

But when Ledger got the script, "he insisted we keep the scene," Nolan says. "And I realized it was all in how Heath performed the lines. It's so creepy and brutal, without a drop of blood. Now I can't think of it not being in there."

Look for: How the pencil disappears. Filmmakers considered using a computer-generated pencil. For a few takes, Nolan hid behind the table and snatched the pencil before the thug's head hits it. Ultimately, the stunt man simply grabbed the pencil himself just before his face gets planted.
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Batman confronts Joker

The story: This was the first scene Christian Bale and Heath Ledger had together, and Nolan considers the scene the linchpin of the film.

"It establishes exactly who they are," he says. "You see just how crazy the Joker is and just how similar Batman is to him."

Nolan says some actors prefer to save the climactic scenes midway through filming, or toward the end. "Not Christian and Heath. They were really looking forward to this one," he says.

"I think we all knew that if this scene worked, the rest of the movie would, too."

Look for: A bloodless beating. Nolan had fake blood ready to smear on Ledger's face after Batman roughs up the Joker.

"But we decided it worked better to pull back some," Nolan says. "His makeup is so smeared and frightening, particularly in that lighting, that putting blood on his face would be over the top."
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The hospital explodes

The story: Before Nolan began shooting, he promised himself "to blow up more things than any director had before." So when he heard that an old Brach's candy factory was to be demolished, he asked Chicago officials if they would let him decorate it like a Gotham General Hospital first.

Film crews set small explosives in the building to blow out a few prop windows and doors to signal demolition experts to detonate the actual building.

That really is Heath Ledger standing outside the building. "He was always a safe distance, but it was still pretty close," Nolan says. "He had caulk in his hair after the explosion."

Look for: A thumbs-up. A safety engineer can be spotted in the back of the Joker's getaway bus signaling to the driver that Ledger was safely inside. "We left it in," Nolan says. "We figured that could have been one of the Joker's henchmen. And I liked the reality of the whole scene."
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Look for: How the pencil disappears. Filmmakers considered using a computer-generated pencil. For a few takes, Nolan hid behind the table and snatched the pencil before the thug's head hits it.
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I don't think I would be comfortable doing it this way. All it takes is one slip-up. :lol
 
Forgotten_Taco said:
I really don't think you can shove a pencil through someone's skull.
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Maybe, maybe not, but you can be damned sure it'll fuck an eye up and more!

Jack Scofield said:
I don't think I would be comfortable doing it this way. All it takes is one slip-up. :lol
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The solution doesn't sound that much safer :/
 
Dan said:
Maybe, maybe not, but you can be damned sure it'll fuck an eye up and more!


The solution doesn't sound that much safer :/
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It's not actually that dangerous.

The actor isn't really being *shoved* onto the table, remember. He's actually just slamming his head down on his own while Heath holds on.

If the pencil wasn't pull away fast enough, the man could simply stop. He make poke his eye, but it wouldn't be too serious.
 
Immortal_Daemon said:
It's not actually that dangerous.

The actor isn't really being *shoved* onto the table, remember. He's actually just slamming his head down on his own while Heath holds on.

If the pencil wasn't pull away fast enough, the man could simply stop. He make poke his eye, but it wouldn't be too serious.
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or maybe he could of just taken it like a man >:(

i cringe at the thought ._.
 
More sequel talk

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-12-07-dark-knight-nolan_N.htm?csp=34

So what's stopping him from making a third installment?

For starters, most third acts in Hollywood stink. Look at the disappointing threequels for The Godfather, Superman and the original Batman. The conclusions weren't much better for the more recent Shrek, Spider-Man and Pirates of the Caribbean.

"I don't know why they're hard to do," Nolan says. "Maybe there's so much expectation to them. But I wouldn't want to do one if it weren't going to be as good as the first or second. That's not respectful to the fans."
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Nolan says he is jotting notes and doing some rough outlines for a third story, but he hasn't yet found anything he's willing to commit to film, despite Warner Bros.' eagerness to get a new film underway.

"It was obvious when the box office was so big ($530 million domestically) that we had underestimated how ready fans were to reboot the franchise," he says. "The worst thing you could do now that you've gotten the plane back in the air is mess up the landing.
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And the reason he doesn't like putting outtakes on his DVDs

Any outtakes, however, were intentionally left off the DVD. "I don't like outtakes or gag reels," Nolan says. "I don't think it's respectful to the actors, who signed on to have their performance on screen, not the takes that didn't work out. It discourages actors from going all-out if they think every mistake is going on the disc."
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Nolan says he wasn't keeping deleted scenes from fans. "For my past three films, I really haven't had scenes that didn't make it in the movie," he says. "If it's in the final script, I tend put it on screen."
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So taking into account the different SKU's and exclusive packaging deals for each retailer, they'll be 13 different versions of the Dark Knight released in Canada. :lol

I'm still trying to figure out which of these (if any) comes with the Batpod, or if that was just a bad rumour.
 
CajoleJuice said:
I really don't think Blu-ray has come close to outselling DVD on any release. I just think TDK will come closer than anything else.
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Didn't The Incredible Hulk Blu outpace the DVD for the first week or so?
 
I don't think Riddler would be the best idea, he seems too similar to The Joker, particularly the Joker in Batman Dark Knight that seems to leave hints / clues.

Bane would be interesting, to try and do it in an intelligent clever way would be very interesting. Constantly releasing villains from the prisons would provide an easilly jump into plot device that could be called upon at certain moment in the film to pick up pace. And having a final showdown with Batman where he could physically break him severely would provide a pretty cool plot twist relatively near the end.

Then Penguin could be in it, representing the 'bad justice' element oF the Nolan batman films - such as Ra's Ah Gul and Harvey Dent were. Penguin could be a sort of Mayor (or even new DA?) with links to the criminal underworld....a sort of carry on of the Two Face idea where he could play both sides but in a more deliberate / calculated way. A truly manipulative establishment mastermind, that the series hasn't really had yet.

I would like to see maybe Joker's daughter in the film also somehow. And perhaps Bane's drug - or a form of it, could be something that criminals get addicted to and are used to control them. Perhaps Penguin could control / be manufacturer of the drug. And then it could be linked further with the scarecrow drug, "we've manipulated the fear drug to provide mental strength - fear can be a powerful tool in mobilizing an army"

Finally the whole film could, like many have said, be a redemption of Batman, with Batman finally gone after being broken by Bane, many in the establishment finally begin to take on the establishment / Penguin for themselves, before an eventual climax of an army of Batman's (without masks) led by Gordon and Bruce Wayne make some sort of assault against Penguin / Bane.
 
I wish TDK's special features were more in-depth, focused on the film's actors, characters, production, narrative themes, and significance to the rest of the Batman mythos. I couldn't care less about Batman's gadgets or episodes of "Gotham Cable's premier news program." (I mean really, did anyone at all walk out of the theater after seeing TDK and exclaim, "Wow, the gadgets fucking made that movie! Otherwise pretty much a train wreck.")

I want documentaries that give real insight into the process of making the film, into the people behind it, like Iron Man's fascinating seven-parter. (Hell, why not a tribute doc to Heath Ledger focusing on his invaluable cinematic contributions?) I want a commentary that does justice to the film, like Guillermo Del Toro's for Hellboy 2, in which the director shares his unique perspective, recounts relevant/funny/engaging anecdotes, and offers insight his creative process. I want to hear from the actors themselves about what drove their great performances, particularly Ledger's Joker. No doubt Christian Bale could offer tremendous insight into not only his own character but the rest of TDK's major players. He was present, after all, during the pivotal scenes between Batman and the Joker, and spent no insignificant amount of time with Aaron Eckhart. What incredible experiences those must have been. Why not draw on them for the BD/DVD?
 
Hamfam said:
Then Penguin could be in it, representing the 'bad justice' element oF the Nolan batman films - such as Ra's Ah Gul and Harvey Dent were. Penguin could be a sort of Mayor (or even new DA?) with links to the criminal underworld....a sort of carry on of the Two Face idea where he could play both sides but in a more deliberate / calculated way. A truly manipulative establishment mastermind, that the series hasn't really had yet.
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You just gave me an idea with your post. I'm not going to suggest that my idea (or anyone else's) should be the premise of the third film, since these movies are so much more than premises, but I think it could be interesting if:

Like you said, the Penguin was the new mayor, a man who stepped into power due to his commitment to take down Batman and all other crime. He doesn't have to be called the Penguin, he could go by Oswald Cobblepot. Throughout the movie, though he tries to stifle all crime, he has a personal vendetta against two people in particular: Batman and someone new named The Riddler. Batman is continually on the run from the police, and is consistently hampered by traps and puzzles left by the Riddler (could be anything from kidnapping Alfred or Gordon's daughter or whatever). So throughout the film he's trying to capture this person who's attacking innocent people associated with Bruce Wayne/Batman, all while the Penguin and the entire Gotham police force (including Gordon, which should be of interest on it's own) are trying to capture him.
Eventually, it's revealed that there is no "Riddler", it's an entirely fictional persona created by the Penguin, a persona somewhat mirrored by The Joker, but with the abrasive, brash nature of the Joker replaced with the sly, cunning nature of the Penguin. This could not only account for the Penguin's villain-esque side (kidnapping, putting innocents in danger, etc), but also connect to Rahs Al Ghul's lesson in deception, which Batman could draw from.

The only problem is, I wouldn't know how to end it, because I'm not entirely sure where Nolan and co are going with the franchise. The ending to TDK was so great, but it really creates multiple paths as to where the franchise could go, and I'm simply not qualified enough in any facet to pretend to know what the direction is. It's still fun to think about though.
 
The Phantasm I tells you!! *shakes fist like crotchety old chicken*
Maybe they could double up the baddies. But I think that would be one sexy move. Yes sir.

The only reason I see that option not being considered is because it'd be "too unoriginal" for Nolan. I'm sure he wants his own ideas in there.
 
Is Nolan attached to anything else yet? I'm sure he'll do at least one non-Batman film first and I did like The Prestige, although like his batman films it has some weird bits towards the end.
 
Hamfam said:
Finally the whole film could, like many have said, be a redemption of Batman, with Batman finally gone after being broken by Bane, many in the establishment finally begin to take on the establishment / Penguin for themselves, before an eventual climax of an army of Batman's (without masks) led by Gordon and Bruce Wayne make some sort of assault against Penguin / Bane.
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did you not see the second film :-P. It would be totally contradictory for Nolan to encourage an 'army of batmans' at this point.
 
So, what exactly are all of the editions of this on Blu-Ray? I know theres the coin from Walmart, but what other exclusives are there from different stores?
 
Chipopo said:
did you not see the second film :-P. It would be totally contradictory for Nolan to encourage an 'army of batmans' at this point.
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Also, leave it to the pros. This is one occasion they actually know what they're doing.

Though I still say Fincher should do Batman 3.
 
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