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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD

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Mr. Sam said:
A 7/10 is a very good score. 7/10 I consider great but lacking, 8/10 movies I consider excellent, 9/10 belong in my top 50 and 10/10 in my top 5. I put The Dark Knight two whole points above what I consider an average movie - i.e. one that doesn't excel but isn't bad.

Oh, and the CGI on Harvey does look cartoony.
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I like that scale. I give films on a 5 star scale with halfs. None to * is terrible, *1/2 is ok but still bad, ** is alright, ** 1/2 is good but flawed, *** is a pretty good film, *** 1/2 is a great film and will probably be a top 10 for the year, **** is terrific and more than likely will make a top 5 list of mine somewhere, **** 1/2 is a classic, and ***** is in my top 10 or 15. I can't remember how many films I would give that rating. Most films are in the None to ** range that I have seen.
 
AlternativeUlster said:
80% is good enough to possibly get a nomination but more than likely I can imagine it getting just an adapted screenplay nomination among some acting prizes. I think it might be too offbeat to be in the 5.

I wasn't too sure about Milk other than Sean Penn's acting (the academy freaking loves this dude) which I did though think it was a lock for him to win it though. Seeing how glowing it is though, yeah Milk is pretty much in there. I really do want some crazy to be the 5th nominee like the equivelent of Babe or the Full Monty. If Let the Right One In got nominated, I would have no problem with that.
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Milk will win Best Picture because of Prop 8.

And that sucks.
 
So do we have a round up yet of which stores are giving away what with the movie?


FYE: Steelbook, all cases.
Best Buy: Poster (seems like all cases)
 
shit i ordered early cause i could not wait.

i have the double disk blu ray plus the digital copy but no collectors items came with it.

oh well.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
So do we have a round up yet of which stores are giving away what with the movie?


FYE: Steelbook, all cases.
Best Buy: Poster (seems like all cases)
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Wal-Mart is giving away Two-Face's coin.
 
Mr. Sam said:
Sure, in my opinion, but let me back it up.

1) It's a story that many people were already familiar with.
2) Harvey Dent is a prick. An idealistic prick perhaps, but a prick none the less.
3) It's very hammed up; big speeches and dramatic music. It doesn't bring you in like, say, No Country For Old Men. It suffers from some of the same problems as Begins with absolutely everyone having have a big speech and sly little nod to something.

Overall, I would label this movie as the most overrated of all time. A solid 7/10.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
i keep trying to wrap my my mind around how this is connected to Batman Begins..
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it's simple. BB established the origin/setting. Batman saved the day in that film, in TDK he lost. Also, the conversation with Gordon at the end of BB about escalation was precursor to the TDK.
 
Rekki-Maru said:
it's simple. BB established the origin/setting. Batman saved the day in that film, in TDK he lost. Also, the conversation with Gordon at the end of BB about escalation was precursor to the TDK.
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I know they're directly connected, but the tone is what's so different. They really opened up the city in TDK.
 
fallengorn said:
They sided on cartoony because a realistically scarred Dent would churn people's stomachs.
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Honestly, all they had to do was remove the eyeball, it would have taken the cartoon look out of it, and it wouldn't have increased the gross factor, if anything the eyeball helped increase the grossness and unbelievability of it. However, it is a character staple so I understand why they wanted it there. This film was given plenty of liberties, the Joker didn't even have his skin bleached, so I don't see a huge problem omitting the eyeball, although I am definitely sure the fans loved it, so it may have just been the right choice anyways.


Rekki-Maru said:
it's simple. BB established the origin/setting. Batman saved the day in that film, in TDK he lost. Also, the conversation with Gordon at the end of BB about escalation was precursor to the TDK.
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I don't think he lost in TDK. He beat the Joker and diminished his threats (for the time being), and he saved Gordon's family, he left intact, albeit his good name slandered, but when was it ever in the clear? The mythos of Batman is that while he is often in the limelight, he is never viewed in favor of. As I said earlier Batman represents the best that the city has to offer. Not the perception of him, but his spirit and enthusiasm. Harvey was inspired by that prior to his accident and Harvey was chosen to be immortalized as that spirit of enthusiasm to the people he represented. So if anyone won it was Gotham.

"This ...CITY...just ...showed U..... that it is FULL of people, willing...to believe...in good!"
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
They really opened up the city in TDK.
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Thats what really set TDK apart from BB. It felt like an entirely new city.

In fact I was expecting the dingy/dystopian parts from BB to appear at some point in TDK, but they never did.

Solo said:
That line was probably the worst delivery in the entire movie from Bale's Bat-voice. Really bad.
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Agreed. I feel it has to do with Bale's limited mouth movement, when he is dressed up as Bats.
 
dmshaposv said:
Thats what really set TDK apart from BB. It felt like an entirely new city.

In fact I was expecting the dingy/dystopian parts from BB to appear at some point in TDK, but they never did.
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Wasn't that to show how Bats and Dent have been so effective at cleaning up Gotham?
 
dmshaposv said:
Thats what really set TDK apart from BB. It felt like an entirely new city.

In fact I was expecting the dingy/dystopian parts from BB to appear at some point in TDK, but they never did.
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It felt too much like Chicago (which it where they filmed it). It didn't have the set pieces like BB did. It didn't look like Gotham at all.
 
Blader5489 said:
Wasn't that to show how Bats and Dent have been so effective at cleaning up Gotham?
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Perhaps, which might explain the change of color palette (BB was brown and dirty, where as TDK was Blue and cleaner/slicker).
 
I think I realized why Batman speaks in that raspy, low voice. His mask has no nose holes.

Note that Batman's mouth is always open-- he can't breath through the nose due to the mask.

Now, I invite you to partake in this little experiment:

Hold your nose shut. Now, speak in Batman's low, raspy voice. Great success, right? Good, now, try to speak in your normal voice. You sound like a total doucebag. How could Batman intimidate anyone if he sounded like Steve Urkel?

Mystery solved. Batman doesn't know how to add nose holes to his mask.
 
Solo said:
That line was probably the worst delivery in the entire movie from Bale's Bat-voice. Really bad.
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What I hated the most was when they had to have the kid ask questions, like the audience was too stupid to figure the ending out.
 
GoutPatrol said:
What I hated the most was when they had to have the kid ask questions, like the audience was too stupid to figure the ending out.
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Are you serious? It's the setup for Gordan's famous closing lines.

Please.
 
Docpan said:
I think I realized why Batman speaks in that raspy, low voice. His mask has no nose holes.

Note that Batman's mouth is always open-- he can't breath through the nose due to the mask.

Now, I invite you to partake in this little experiment:

Hold your nose shut. Now, speak in Batman's low, raspy voice. Great success, right? Good, now, try to speak in your normal voice. You sound like a total doucebag. How could Batman intimidate anyone if he sounded like Steve Urkel?

Mystery solved. Batman doesn't know how to add nose holes to his mask.
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wut?

there's a big fat nose opening
 
yeah i preferred the gotham of BB. only time you see any resemblance of that is during the chase scene in those tunnels.

i missed the narrows, monorail, and just the dark dirty feel to the city BB had.
 
Littleberu said:
The audience IS too stupid to figure the ending out.
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With the way it is (kid asking questions, Gordon giving out explanations), a majority of the audience didnt get it in the first viewing.

For example; Robert Downey Jr. :lol
 
irfan said:
With the way it is (kid asking questions, Gordon giving out explanations), a majority of the audience didnt get it in the first viewing.

For example; Robert Downey Jr. :lol
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i went to see the movie with about 20 friends.

out of the 20, not counting myself, only 4-5 got it.

the rest of them had to have it explained.
 
effzee said:
i went to see the movie with about 20 friends.

out of the 20, not counting myself, only 4-5 got it.

the rest of them had to have it explained.
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I went with a group of 5, I was the only the one to 'get it'. :D Imagine that ratio without the kid. The movie is perfectly fine with the way it is.
 
Mr. Sam said:
Yeah, but No Country For Old Men isn't the most overrated movie of all time. See, that's the flaw in your mouse-clicking argument.
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Honestly, I really like No Country for Old Men, but I don't think that I would say that it's better than The Dark Knight. It's really good, but in entirely different ways; TDK is, at the very least, more entertaining. I think NCfOM is awesome, but I'd probably want to watch TDK more often (same with Assassination of Jesse James; it's really good, but it takes more work to watch it).
 
What's fantastic about The Dark Knight is it appeals to such a massive audience but isn't condescending. However, I think that it sacrifices some sophistication and direction to do that, hence why I'm wary about Oscar hopes.

Personally, I fell in love with NCFOM after my second viewing; I was wondering what the fuck I'd just watched the first time.

But this is THE DARK KNIGHT THREAD. Apologies. I'll be back with more minor criticisms soon.
 
dmshaposv said:
Thats what really set TDK apart from BB. It felt like an entirely new city.

In fact I was expecting the dingy/dystopian parts from BB to appear at some point in TDK, but they never did.
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Pretty much the only parts of Gotham we actually saw in BB were the Narrows, which they just gave up on at the end. That's why it looked so different.

As for the rest of the city looking cleaned up in TDK, gee, maybe that might be because Batman's actually been a source of inspiration to Gotham in the time between Batman and TDK?
 
I'll probably get the blu-ray with the coin. Does anyone think I should pre-order the blu-ray? I am quite sure they will not run out of this movie.
 
effzee said:
i went to see the movie with about 20 friends.

out of the 20, not counting myself, only 4-5 got it.

the rest of them had to have it explained.
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You need smarter friends.


I went with a group of about 15 people, and not a single person was sober (half were high, half were drunk) and we all got it just fine.
 
neojubei said:
I'll probably get the blu-ray with the coin. Does anyone think I should pre-order the blu-ray? I am quite sure they will not run out of this movie.
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You NEVER need to preorder. Ive been buying DVDs/BDs for over a decade now, and Ive never once pre-ordered, nor never once seen the hot new title sold out.
 
Solo said:
You NEVER need to preorder. Ive been buying DVDs/BDs for over a decade now, and Ive never once pre-ordered, nor never once seen the hot new title sold out.
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I said the same thing when Iron Man came out and it was sold out. That feeling sucks too when a dvd is sold out.
 
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