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[neojubei]

In rare cases, yes. But more often than not, scenes are cut because they dont develop the characters or drive the plot forward, rendering them useless.

The point of a deleted scene.

 

[Penguin]

In rare cases, yes. But more often than not, scenes are cut because they dont develop the characters or drive the plot forward, rendering them useless.

I think a lot of comedies get ruined by this when they go "Unrated' or "Extended" as comedy is all about timing and it usually throws off the timing of the movie or drags it down in the wrong places.

 

[KeeSomething]

thinking further about a possible 3rd movie...

i really like the idea of the phantasm character because it would be a more personal bruce wayne story and not a large scale gotham story.

the dark knight and batman begins are fundamentally different movies. and while they are both great, i do not think you can make a dark knight 2, especially if the third is the last one nolan makes. the story has to revert back to bruce/batman. i was catching up on batman begins again this past weekend and to me its the best origins movie ever. it just captures everything that is bruce wayne, his childhood, his relation wtih alfred, and his growth from a vengeful self centered youth to a crime fighting mastermind who finds a way to channel his anger into something positive is done perfectly.

i want to see something similar in the third movie. the phantasm offers that possibility. with the city labeling him a criminal, the mob wiped out, the joker arrested, and the love of his life gone they can not go back to another villain holding the city hostage.

the only problem would be introducing such a character, esp if its a love interest. secondly as much as i love the mask of the phantasm, it is pretty obvious who the phantasm is right from the start. still i could see it working as a love from his past (maybe from his days at Princeton?) who makes him seriously question quitting. i know this was sort of what the dark knight was about but i don't think they fleshed it out as effectively compared to the stories of dent and the joker. basically bruce was working to end batman but it did not work out that way. but maybe now they can really explore that story line further and in more detail.

maybe he sees the city not needing him especially since the major players are behind bars. the story could work around alfred trying really hard to get bruce to live a normal life by convincing him he has done his part to avenge his parents death. he has cleaned up the city and made his father proud.

one of the most powerful batman scenes ever, IMO, is from mask of the phantasm. the one where bruce is shown in front of his parents grave asking/begging for their permission to stop being what he has become and how he feels. and how he needs love in his life. and then they cut back to batman spying on her having dinner with some new guy.

but whatever they do decide to do it cant be what 24 tried to do and failed miserably at....MORE EXPLOSIONS AND MORE DEATHS! it can still be just as dark/gritty but more personal.

ON A SIDE NOTE....i love how nolan has captured the image of batman. just how he glides through the air.

I do want to see something less epic for the 3rd film. Nolan can't outdo The Dark Knight in pure epicness. Even if he could, I'd rather have a more personal story. A smaller scale story that is really more about Bruce Wayne questioning his life as The Batman. Mask of Phantasm is my favorite Batman film, so something like that would make me bat cum everywhere.

Sam Raimi can't make a serious 3rd film. See: Army of Darkness.

But Army of Darkness is the best in the Evil Dead trilogy.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

The Dark Knight Score has been found eligible for oscar consideration by the academy.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39390

 

[Booser]

But Army of Darkness is the best in the Evil Dead trilogy.

Best at being the worst maybe

 

[Sanjuro]

Screw every scenario I have come up with for the third Batman...

If Christopher Nolan does not use Hush in the third film, I'm going to blow up a hospital!

 

[Dabanton]

But Army of Darkness is the best in the Evil Dead trilogy.

:lol You joker you.

 

[Skiptastic]

I do want to see something less epic for the 3rd film. Nolan can't outdo The Dark Knight in pure epicness. Even if he could, I'd rather have a more personal story. A smaller scale story that is really more about Bruce Wayne questioning his life as The Batman.

That would be what I imagine Nolan would do for a perfect ending to the trilogy. I actually kinda like the thought of doing this a few years down the road, when Bale has gotten older and doing it similarly to The Dark Knight Returns. Have Bruce Wayne trying to improve the city as Bruce Wayne and maybe failing. So he comes out of retirement for one last time. But having Bruce reflecting on his acts would be the way to go and whether he can actually walk away from the mask. Being on the run would give him a good cover to spend some time dissecting Bruce Wayne the man and what Batman represents in his life and for Gotham.

 

[neojubei]

Screw every scenario I have come up with for the third Batman...

If Christopher Nolan does not use Hush in the third film, I'm going to blow up a hospital!

I am forwarding this post to homeland security. :lol

 

[Penguin]

Screw every scenario I have come up with for the third Batman...

If Christopher Nolan does not use Hush in the third film, I'm going to blow up a hospital!

How do you know Hush wasn't the villain in the first two movies?

 

[Sanjuro]

How do you know Hush wasn't the villain in the first two movies?

That would explain the Joker surgery on the man bomb.

 

[Prime crotch]

Screw every scenario I have come up with for the third Batman...

If Christopher Nolan does not use Hush in the third film, I'm going to blow up a hospital!

ugh, no, just no, even The Clock King would be a better choice than the worst Bat-villain ever

 

[Dead]

Hush is a horrible horrible villain

 

[Sanjuro]

Hush is a horrible horrible villain

Nah. He is newer than the rest, but so far his inclusion in the stories have had a more memorable impact than the rest of the villains in maybe the last decade. Dini's last arc in Detective was great.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

I ended up getting the vanilla Blu-Ray @ Best Buy -- well, not so "vanilla" if you count the Joker poster I got w/ my pre-sell a few weeks ago -- and the single-disc DVD w/ comic book and coin @ Wal-Mart. The coin's pretty sweet, it's metal not plastic and has a nice heft to it; I think I'll look for a display case for it.

 

[wenis]

Yeah, they could at least throw in the funny outtakes, right?

there are no deleted scenes. the did self editing on the spot and if something didnt work in the script or rehearsal they got rid of it and didnt bother shooting. everything in the film is everything they filmed. if they edited anything down was certain timing on shots and things like that. no other scenes or anything to be included.

 

[Zoltrix]

I'd only want Hush if he was to be used as a way to tie together a bunch of other villains.

 

[Solo]

I think a lot of comedies get ruined by this when they go "Unrated' or "Extended" as comedy is all about timing and it usually throws off the timing of the movie or drags it down in the wrong places.

Yup. The 40 Year Old Virgin and Wedding Crashers both instantly come to mind as recent examples of this. Theatrical cut FTW.

Unless its Ridley Scott, who seemingly cant get a movie made without studio tampering, Im generally happy to assume the theatrical cut of most movies is what the director intended.

 

[Mike Works]

holding the limited edition tin case bluray in my hands right now.. god damnit i hate being and work and having finals

i'm not even going to try and lie to myself and pretend that i won't watch in tonight in order to get more studying done

 

[Masked Man]

The Dark Knight Score has been found eligible for oscar consideration by the academy.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39390

 

[Penguin]

holding the limited edition tin case bluray in my hands right now.. god damnit i hate being and work and having finals

i'm not even going to try and lie to myself and pretend that i won't watch in tonight in order to get more studying done

Get that studying done, it will make watching TDK all the more sweet.

 

[B.K.]

I wish the Circuit City exclusive set was Blu-Ray, instead of DVD. I really liked the Why So Serious poster as the cover image.

 

[blast0rama]

On the topic of the 3rd movie, comedian/nerd/rewrite-king Patton Oswalt discussed what the next Batflick was SUPPOSED to be on an episode of Doug Benson's podcast "I Love Movies".

Granted, grain of salt, considering Nolan says he's still discussing ideas, but I'm more than willing to take some truth in it, given Oswalt's hollywood connections.

According to what he said, the 3rd movie was to be a 3 way showdown.

Joker would build up a group of followers/copycats, a la Batman in the 2nd movie.

The Mob would rebuild, and want Joker dead.

And eventually, Batman would lead his own group of vigilantes, or rather inspire them. I imagine it would be something similar to how V inspired people in V for Vendetta.

Could have been an interesting flick, and honestly, they could still proceed with it (say, Joker dies in Arkham, inspires followers).

Thoughts?

 

[Blader]

Thoughts?

I think it's a load of shit.

Nolan and Goyer have both said, repeatedly, that they concentrate on one movie at a time and that they haven't come up with anything for a third movie.

 

[Snaku]

The Dark Knight Score has been found eligible for oscar consideration by the academy.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39390

BOOSH

 

[Sanjuro]

Directed by Christopher Nolan.

Villians
Hush
Superman
Killer Croc



It is the distant future and Batman is beaten from all the years of abuse. Superman is working for the government and keeping the entire base of heroes from surfacing. Hush is the main guy in Gotham while Killer Croc and his gang of mutants watch as Gordon and Bruce Wayne rub mustaches MGS4 style.

 

[btkadams]

can someone explain the digital copy thing to me? i put it into my mac and i need to do it through itunes and i have a balance owed on my itunes account (dont have a credit card so i need to go out and get a prepaid to pay off the remaining balance). do you need an itunes account if you do it on pc? i wanna put it on my ipod dammit lol. is the digital copy transferrable between other devices? (my mac, pc, ps3, psp, etc.)

 

[jett]

Wha, you need itunes to use the digital copy thing?

 

[Solo]

Why would you ever want to watch the digital copy when you've just bought the Bluray?

 

[Penguin]

Why would you ever want to watch the digital copy when you've just bought the Bluray?

Maybe, he wants to watch it again tomorrow on his way to work!
I watch Begins and TDK today on blu ray for the first time.

I really like the picture quality of the climax of TDK in bluray. The sonar color really pops in that scene.

Also the two movies have some awesome aerial shots.

Random question that was probably answered before, but how did Batman know Dent had the Arkham patient down by the trains?

 

[jett]

Maybe, he wants to watch it again tomorrow on his way to work!
I watch Begins and TDK today on blu ray for the first time.

I really like the picture quality of the climax of TDK in bluray. The sonar color really pops in that scene.

Also the two movies have some awesome aerial shots.

Random question that was probably answered before, but how did Batman know Dent had the Arkham patient down by the trains?

I'm guessing he heard the gunshot with his uber-hearing thingies.

 

[fallengorn]

Random question that was probably answered before, but how did Batman know Dent had the Arkham patient down by the trains?

There's no way to explain it, he just pops up.

 

[Blader]

Random question that was probably answered before, but how did Batman know Dent had the Arkham patient down by the trains?

Same alley where Batman was with Maroni?

 

[Solo]

, but how did Batman know Dent had the Arkham patient down by the trains?

Thou shalt not point out flaws in TDK. Didnt you get the memo?

 

[jett]

There's no way to explain it, he just pops up.

Maroni's club was just around the corner!

I think explaining Gordon's "plan" would be harder.

 

[Jack Scofield]

I didn't realize that the Blu-Ray came with a mini Batpod. Not bad for $25.

How do I gain access the digital copy of the film?

 

[Grimm Fandango]

I didn't realize that the Blu-Ray came with a mini Batpod. Not bad for $25.

How do I gain access the digital copy of the film?

There's an insert with instructions along with the code needed.

 

[LowParry]

TrueHD sound...godly.

 

[Sapiens]

Thou shalt not point out flaws in TDK. Didnt you get the memo?

Umm, Batman's always been known to pop up and out of places. It's his thing. Not a flaw at all. Though there are flaws in the film, I'm willing to admit that.

You know, you're such a wet maxipad sometimes, Solo.

 

[Solo]

Umm, Batman's always been known to pop up and out of places. It's his thing. Not a flaw at all. Though there are flaws in the film, I'm willing to admit that.

You know, you're such a wet maxipad sometimes, Solo.

Well I guess thats better than a crusty one. Anyways, of course its a flaw/hole in the script. Its nothing major, so I dont really care, Im just saying. Hell, even TDK disciples like jett have even said as much.

 

[Monocle]

Great to hear that the TDK OST is eligible for Oscar consideration.

I like what effzee said about the Phantasm being a potential answer to the question of how Nolan could sidestep the imperative to outdo TDK in terms of raw scale in the third film. Mask of the Phantasm left a strong impression on me. The titular character has a dark, melancholy tone that would be perfectly suited to a film that picks up where TDK left off. The more I think about it, the more it seems like the right direction for the series. Watch Mask of the Phantasm and tell me that its plot wouldn't set up Nolan's Bruce Wayne for a mightily intriguing arc.

 

[Kagari]

LOL... my mom asked me if the movie got any better... she's at the part right after all those mob people get arrested...

 

[Penguin]

Umm, Batman's always been known to pop up and out of places. It's his thing. Not a flaw at all. Though there are flaws in the film, I'm willing to admit that.

You know, you're such a wet maxipad sometimes, Solo.

I don't mind Batman popping in and out of places, but he usually has a reason to be there.

Did he just happen to be taking a stroll down the street and found Dent? I mean I don't mind it too much, just something that made me curious on this viewing.

 

[effzee]

I don't mind Batman popping in and out of places, but he usually has a reason to be there.

Did he just happen to be taking a stroll down the street and found Dent? I mean I don't mind it too much, just something that made me curious on this viewing.

actually there is some curious editing in those moments.

i think one scene batman is throwing maroni off the balcony.

very next scene he is with dent.

very next scene he is with rachel in his penthouse...and he leaves her even though it did seem like she would fuck him right there.

a moment later he is hiding behind the joker in the jail cell....

"yeah he does that"

Great to hear that the TDK OST is eligible for Oscar consideration.

I like what effzee said about the Phantasm being a potential answer to the question of how Nolan could sidestep the imperative to outdo TDK in terms of raw scale in the third film. Mask of the Phantasm left a strong impression on me. The titular character has a dark, melancholy tone that would be perfectly suited to a film that picks up where TDK left off. The more I think about it, the more it seems like the right direction for the series. Watch Mask of the Phantasm and tell me that its plot wouldn't set up Nolan's Bruce Wayne for a mightily intriguing arc.

thanks. actually it would also work to show a very similar character as bruce. someone who

Spoiler

lost their father/parents to the mob and is out for revenge. but this is basically what bruce was going to become before rachel slaps some sense into him. the phantasm on the other hand does not care and is just out to get revenge....even sacrificing love with bruce

obviously it could not be a carbon copy of the animated film but something similar...as long as its on a smaller scale.

 

[Buckethead]

No one takes you seriously if you wear a bucket on your head seeing as I mentioned Phantasm like 400 years ago. Whatev.

 

[WinFonda]

GAF,

I have an idea for a fictional premise for the next Batman movie.

The next movie may have the Riddler in it, right? Here's how I think they should approach his character.

At the end of the Dark Knight, Batman fully accepts the responsibilities of being a vigilante and bears the burden of being an outcast. Assuming Batman's presence within Gotham only becomes more and more controversial, it would make sense to have an antagonist who deals with that specific nature of the Batman. So, Edward Nigma, -or the Riddler- offers up unsolicited "help" to Gotham City, that help being that he will find Batman and put an end to his vigilantism. With that in mind, Riddler would be a very morally confused character, much more so than Batman. He doesn't look to stop crime like Batman, rather, he'll foster or maybe even create it in an attempt to solve one of the greatest puzzles or mysteries of the world -- who is the Batman?

So for the Riddler, solving the puzzle is mostly a matter of prestige. If you've seen the anime Death Note, think of Riddler as the character "L" to Batman, though obviously the dynamic between the two characters is much different.

It would also be a great avenue to explore Batman's detective skills and intellect, something they've only ever vaguely hinted at in the movies.

 

[Penguin]

I don't know Phantasm has potential, but part of the pull of the story is that the mob took away any chance of Phantasm and Batman's happiness.

Batman's happiness was already killed when Rachel died, and it will be difficult to add another female in there with the same emotional connection.

Sort of like Vesper and Bond.

 

[btkadams]

GAF,

I have an idea for a fictional premise for the next Batman movie.

The next movie may have the Riddler in it, right? Here's how I think they should approach his character.

At the end of the Dark Knight, Batman fully accepts the responsibilities of being a vigilante and bears the burden of being an outcast. Assuming Batman's presence within Gotham only becomes more and more controversial, it would make sense to have an antagonist who deals with that specific nature of the Batman. So, Edward Nigma, -or the Riddler- offers up unsolicited "help" to Gotham City, that help being that he will find Batman and put an end to his vigilantism. With that in mind, Riddler would be a very morally confused character, much more so than Batman. He doesn't look to stop crime like Batman, rather, he'll foster or maybe even create it in an attempt to solve one of the greatest puzzles or mysteries of the world -- who is the Batman?

So for the Riddler, solving the puzzle is mostly a matter of prestige. If you've seen the anime Death Note, think of Riddler as the character "L" to Batman, though obviously the dynamic between the two characters is much different.

It would also be a great avenue to explore Batman's detective skills and intellect, something they've only ever vaguely hinted at in the movies.

i think thats a pretty cool idea.

 

[Exclamation-One]

GAF,

I have an idea for a fictional premise for the next Batman movie.

The next movie may have the Riddler in it, right? Here's how I think they should approach his character.

At the end of the Dark Knight, Batman fully accepts the responsibilities of being a vigilante and bears the burden of being an outcast. Assuming Batman's presence within Gotham only becomes more and more controversial, it would make sense to have an antagonist who deals with that specific nature of the Batman. So, Edward Nigma, -or the Riddler- offers up unsolicited "help" to Gotham City, that help being that he will find Batman and put an end to his vigilantism. With that in mind, Riddler would be a very morally confused character, much more so than Batman. He doesn't look to stop crime like Batman, rather, he'll foster or maybe even create it in an attempt to solve one of the greatest puzzles or mysteries of the world -- who is the Batman?

So for the Riddler, solving the puzzle is mostly a matter of prestige. If you've seen the anime Death Note, think of Riddler as the character "L" to Batman, though obviously the dynamic between the two characters is much different.

It would also be a great avenue to explore Batman's detective skills and intellect, something they've only ever vaguely hinted at in the movies.

This isn't half-bad. Riddler runs the organization that Catwoman is working for...

Bruce's attraction to Catwoman represents his acceptance of his role as a 'freak.' Ta-Da. Ties in thematically with the other movies.

 

[effzee]

This isn't half-bad. Riddler runs the organization that Catwoman is working for...

Bruce's attraction to Catwoman represents his acceptance of his role as a 'freak.' Ta-Da. Ties in thematically with the other movies.

dont know about the catwoman angle but im really digging the idea of the riddle as someone who works with the police to find, unmaks, and jail the Batman.

and like it was mentioned make up his own crimes to lure Batman and mess with Batman's head with riddles.