Jack Scofield
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effzee said:
I popped in the Blu-Ray just to see how it looked, and for the first time I realized how strange the editing was when the Batpod is going in an out of the mall. I never noticed it before.
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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD
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I popped in the Blu-Ray just to see how it looked, and for the first time I realized how strange the editing was when the Batpod is going in an out of the mall. I never noticed it before.
Some of my favorite episodes of Batman: The Animated Series (IMO the best representation of Batman in any medium) were the ones where Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy teamed up, I would love to see them as the focus of the next movie. Harley Quinn has yet to appear in the movies, which is a little disappointing she she is such an entertaining villain.
Jack Scofield said:
hahah yeah its like one scene he is in the mall...very next moment in the middle of some street....then in some alley and bam he pops right in front of the joker.
i think it was probably the limited IMAX film plus they just had so much going on in the movie that they decided to cut the sequence short.
sad really because the batpod scenes were fantastically done. something just very cool about how its designed and how it came across on screen.
Marty Chinn
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Has anyone been able to register on BD-Live through the disc? I have yet to get the registration e-mail
its been bugging me since i first saw it. k you know that scene near the beginning where dent is talking to that one guy about making all the arrests and then the fake batman dead body slams against the window? that one guy thats not dent, why is he wearing so much damn eyeliner?!
Jack Scofield
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btkadams said:
I think it's just the natural way his eyes look. The same actor is in Lost (his name is Nestor Carbonell), and his eyes have that eyeliner look in that show, too.
Panda Bear
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It's not that dark though on Lost. There was definitely some make up in TDK. I'm sure his eyes probably look weird so they put the eye liner on to cover it up.Jack Scofield said:
Buckethead
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BrightYoungThing said:
Watch the episode where
Juliet goes on the submarine and they drug her drink
I may be wrong, but memory tells me that the black around his eyes was as thick as the Joker's. Well close. lulz.
brandonh83
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Re-watched it again since I saw it in theaters.
I think the first half of the movie is absolutely incredible but after the warehouse incident I'm sorry, I just think it falls flat on its ass. I don't feel the same amount of confidence in the script in the second half of the pic. The storytelling, editing, sequencing, and logic just seriously crashes and burns. The first problem, and my biggest, is Two-Face. First half of the movie develops Harvey Dent excellently. Very likable, interesting... he's going places. But when he becomes Two-Face, the movie is too busy throwing a bunch of sloppily edited and sequenced events to put much more into him. Isn't his character supposed to get even more interesting and complex after the accident and after he loses it? The movie goes from Harvey Dent Central to Two-Face (Here and There).
The cell phone stuff... I just don't know about it. I mean, it makes enough sense but the whole conflict between Fox and Wayne felt really forced, the whole sequence was shot and put together very shoddily, from the crap on the boats to Batman infiltrating a building full of SWAT guys, criminals, criminals in doctor outfits, criminals dressed as civilians-- while going back and forth between that and a bunch of cool-looking cell phone sonar shots. I think I got all that right. The action was pretty crappy, the cinematography and editing is all over the place, making it hard to follow, and it's just not that interesting. And then Batman's confrontation with Joker is highly random and unsatisfying. When they're fighting each other it abruptly cuts to some crap in one of the ferries that I didn't care about.
Then, the finale. Acting and dialogue is incredibly solid but the way Two-Face goes out is pretty boring and anti-climactic. I know I'm going to get absolutely torn asunder by these thoughts, but they're just that, my thoughts. I think overall the movie is pretty fantastic, I just don't think the second half of the movie is as well thought-out, sequenced, and edited as the first half. The ending itself is pretty solid and I like the idea behind it, makes sense, I just thought a lot of things about the last half and the climax was poorly conceived and executed.
It's a solid sequel but I think Batman Begins is much more focused and handles the character of Bruce Wayne far more carefully and respectfully and at no point did I feel that Begins lost its grip on the story or editing whereas I had some major problems with that in Dark Knight. I just don't think the writers had any idea where to take it after they blew up Rachel. Luckily it worked good enough to be acceptable but for all the BEST MOVIE OF 2008 and some of the things being tossed around about the movie, it could have delivered so much more in the second half. I'm glad I'm one of the few, if only, person(s) that was disappointed by the last 30 minutes or so.
I may sound overly cruel about it, so I do want to reiterate that the second half isn't BAD. I just think it pales in comparison to the writing and filmmaking skill on display in the first half of the film.
I think the first half of the movie is absolutely incredible but after the warehouse incident I'm sorry, I just think it falls flat on its ass. I don't feel the same amount of confidence in the script in the second half of the pic. The storytelling, editing, sequencing, and logic just seriously crashes and burns. The first problem, and my biggest, is Two-Face. First half of the movie develops Harvey Dent excellently. Very likable, interesting... he's going places. But when he becomes Two-Face, the movie is too busy throwing a bunch of sloppily edited and sequenced events to put much more into him. Isn't his character supposed to get even more interesting and complex after the accident and after he loses it? The movie goes from Harvey Dent Central to Two-Face (Here and There).
The cell phone stuff... I just don't know about it. I mean, it makes enough sense but the whole conflict between Fox and Wayne felt really forced, the whole sequence was shot and put together very shoddily, from the crap on the boats to Batman infiltrating a building full of SWAT guys, criminals, criminals in doctor outfits, criminals dressed as civilians-- while going back and forth between that and a bunch of cool-looking cell phone sonar shots. I think I got all that right. The action was pretty crappy, the cinematography and editing is all over the place, making it hard to follow, and it's just not that interesting. And then Batman's confrontation with Joker is highly random and unsatisfying. When they're fighting each other it abruptly cuts to some crap in one of the ferries that I didn't care about.
Then, the finale. Acting and dialogue is incredibly solid but the way Two-Face goes out is pretty boring and anti-climactic. I know I'm going to get absolutely torn asunder by these thoughts, but they're just that, my thoughts. I think overall the movie is pretty fantastic, I just don't think the second half of the movie is as well thought-out, sequenced, and edited as the first half. The ending itself is pretty solid and I like the idea behind it, makes sense, I just thought a lot of things about the last half and the climax was poorly conceived and executed.
It's a solid sequel but I think Batman Begins is much more focused and handles the character of Bruce Wayne far more carefully and respectfully and at no point did I feel that Begins lost its grip on the story or editing whereas I had some major problems with that in Dark Knight. I just don't think the writers had any idea where to take it after they blew up Rachel. Luckily it worked good enough to be acceptable but for all the BEST MOVIE OF 2008 and some of the things being tossed around about the movie, it could have delivered so much more in the second half. I'm glad I'm one of the few, if only, person(s) that was disappointed by the last 30 minutes or so.
I may sound overly cruel about it, so I do want to reiterate that the second half isn't BAD. I just think it pales in comparison to the writing and filmmaking skill on display in the first half of the film.
CajoleJuice
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brandonh83 said:
You're not the only one.me said:
faceless007
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Actually according to IMDb's FAQ section:
RBelong2Us
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On Amazon 4 of the top 5 selling dvds are various copies of Dark Knight, including full screen :lol
Marty Chinn
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Costanza said:
I didn't get anything yte but I'm also annoyed that I sent an email registration 3 times and it never came yet I send it to another address and it appears instantly. Something is messed up on their end I think.
faceless007 said:
so wats his excuse for LOST...or like, every other picture i see. its not just his eyelashes
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Monocle
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Heh, this isn't the first place Nestor Carbonell's eyeliner has been discussed.
AgentOtaku
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Quick opinion:
It's merely a good film with a great middle that crescendoes with the Joker and Batman's discussion in the interrogation room. Some powerful philosophy and ideas in there, then after that, yeah the rest just happens.
I think the most dissapointing thing for me is how poor the hand to hand chorerography is and once again they rely on the vehicular set pieces to carry the action. There were certain points where the Bat's moves are so slow and stiff, he just looks like a ill-tempered gorilla.
...and yes the film is just too long and in love with itself ....and Bat voice is terrible, just so terrible! :lol
Oh and the back and forth with aspect ratios were super annoying. Yes the IMAX bits are gorgeous but it was still very distracing as the film went on...
It's merely a good film with a great middle that crescendoes with the Joker and Batman's discussion in the interrogation room. Some powerful philosophy and ideas in there, then after that, yeah the rest just happens.
I think the most dissapointing thing for me is how poor the hand to hand chorerography is and once again they rely on the vehicular set pieces to carry the action. There were certain points where the Bat's moves are so slow and stiff, he just looks like a ill-tempered gorilla.
...and yes the film is just too long and in love with itself ....and Bat voice is terrible, just so terrible! :lol
Oh and the back and forth with aspect ratios were super annoying. Yes the IMAX bits are gorgeous but it was still very distracing as the film went on...
Fanboydestroyer
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Can't wait to get this movie. My dad is setting up our HD (finally!) so I'll be buying the blu-ray verison of the movie. I also plan on picking up the soundtrack too, becasue that is amazing! Especialy the song that is played during the first scene.
AgentOtaku
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Blader5489 said:
I agree with everything 'cept Speed Racer ....seriously, you may not enjoy it but it's one of the most underated film of 2008 and still probably one of my favorite
Watched the BD last night and overall thought it was great.
The only portion of the movie where I questioned Nolan's direction was near the ending, where so much time was given to the people talking and voting on the boat while Batman is searching for The Joker.
That was a little much for me; not exactly the kind of tension building that I find enjoyable leading up to a films climax.
Also, the sonar shit was cool when Fox used it in Hong Kong, but exploiting it seemed very un-Batman like. He's fucking Batman; I understand time was of the essence, but they could have come up with some other clever way of finding where the Joker was hiding out.
The Joker is still alive right? Are we to assume that he's locked up at the end of the movie?
I also wish they wouldn't have outright killed Dent off like that. They did a really great job of turning him into Two-face and giving him motivation to turn into an antagonist. I feel like they sold him kind of short in the end.
The only portion of the movie where I questioned Nolan's direction was near the ending, where so much time was given to the people talking and voting on the boat while Batman is searching for The Joker.
That was a little much for me; not exactly the kind of tension building that I find enjoyable leading up to a films climax.
Also, the sonar shit was cool when Fox used it in Hong Kong, but exploiting it seemed very un-Batman like. He's fucking Batman; I understand time was of the essence, but they could have come up with some other clever way of finding where the Joker was hiding out.
The Joker is still alive right? Are we to assume that he's locked up at the end of the movie?
I also wish they wouldn't have outright killed Dent off like that. They did a really great job of turning him into Two-face and giving him motivation to turn into an antagonist. I feel like they sold him kind of short in the end.
Buckethead
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Blader5489 said:
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Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Mr. Sam said:
Dude, Nolan's doing an absolutely fantastic job with Batman; why change in the middle and hand it over to a director that has thus far had no involvement with this series of movies? At least let Nolan finish out the set and reach his personal vision of the character.
Besides which, I think The Prestige does the idea of obsession extraordinarily well, which shows that Nolan would be perfectly adept at adapting it to a film.
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TJ Spyke said:
SO agreed. Harley Quinn is awesome. If they do happen to recast the Joker, I would love to see them do a Silence of the Lambs-esque situation in which Dr. Harleen Quinzel plays the Clarice figure. Eventually, she falls in love with Mr. J and becomes Harley Quinn.
And there will be great rejoicing.
(Yay...)
Grimm Fandango
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brandonh83 said:
Well said. Last half hour wasn't a complete mess but it could have been cut. Still a fantastic movie in the end.
Masked Man said:
Yes. People say "boo" for continuation but the Joker can just have a small role in the beginning. Like Scarecrow did in TDK.
Grimm Fandango said:
Why do people keep saying this? Try this: watch the movie up until the last half hour, shut it off, and then tell me the movie still works without it.
The Joker is hardly the kind of character you throw just for shits and giggles (no pun intended), especially after having such a large role in this movie.
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
People seem to hate Begins. No idea why, I consider it on par with TDK. And I honestly didn't buy the obsession in The Prestige:
killing yourself every night so you get applause? The fuck?
Nolan's also said how he doesn't even have a vision for Batman 3 yet. Apparently, Fincher was up for doing Spider-Man but his version was too "out there".
Buckethead
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I'm pretty confident in my claim that no villain can ever be as powerful as the Joker except the Phantasm.
I wouldn't mind the Riddler being in there as a secondary role, but I think that could be some powerful stuff. But the main point would be to reduce Bruce to nothing and out of his grief he has to take down the baddies. Kick him when he's down.
But just watched TDK in 1080p and wowzers did that look fantastic. I have no problems with the ending of the movie, it's a little disjointed and doesn't flow as well but if any part dragged or was boring it was parts of Act 1 in the scenes without Heath. The scene between Dent and Oldman seemed a little forced talking about "your guy", etc.
Basically paint Bruce and Andrea to be the perfect couple and then expose her for being a malicious monster who brutally kills her victims.
I wouldn't mind the Riddler being in there as a secondary role, but I think that could be some powerful stuff. But the main point would be to reduce Bruce to nothing and out of his grief he has to take down the baddies. Kick him when he's down.
But just watched TDK in 1080p and wowzers did that look fantastic. I have no problems with the ending of the movie, it's a little disjointed and doesn't flow as well but if any part dragged or was boring it was parts of Act 1 in the scenes without Heath. The scene between Dent and Oldman seemed a little forced talking about "your guy", etc.
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There was it more too it than that, but that's a discussion for another thread.Mr. Sam said:
SpeedingUptoStop said:
I really wanted to like The Prestige but in the end I was just left pretty cold. Also, Bale's accent in that movie is rubbish. His American one is much better.
This thread also reminds me that the best Batman movie to date is, indeed, Mask of the Phantasm. Mark Hamill > Heath Ledger.
joshuagor44 said:Now that the Joker is in Arkham, his only purpose in the next movie would be as a reference in Harley Quinn's backstory
I don't think Harley Quinn really works with out the Joker being present in one form or another. The cartoon got their relationship right.
Grimm Fandango
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Blader5489 said:
I just thought the whole cell phone thing was ridiculous. And the Two-Face role felt rushed, no doubt about it. It could have worked better for Harvey Dent to undergo therapy afterwards (for the next movie) only to realize he's still miserable.
Blader5489 said:
Agreed. I dunno, I'm just really adament about getting some female villain into the next movie and Harley may just work.
Flo_Evans said:
What? :lol That whole scene is absolutely critical to the story. If the Joker is trying to prove that all people, when push comes to shove, are no different from him, then you have to show the people on the boats--how they wrestle with the choice of crossing the line, and ultimately decide not to act on it. Without that scene, there's no tension and no real substance to the themes of the movie.
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