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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD
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Souldriver
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I should rewatch it. I have only seen it one time, in the movie theater, and I definitely don't share the sentiment of gaf. I think the "masterpiece" or "redefining movie making" comments are ridiculous.
I don't remember all that much of the story anymore. Is that something gaf can use to criticize me, or something I can use the criticize the movie? Either way, the most memorable part of the movie for me was the two "rivaling" boats. The rest of the story is pretty forgettable.
What annoys me more is that I don't like the acting of the main characters. I really disliked (
) Ledgers portrayal of the Joker. I'm sure he did a fine acting job, but I personally hated all the antics. The lip smacking, the eye rolling, the grunting and whispering, the crazy voice and forced laughing, ... It made me want to scratch my eyes out and pierce my ears with a knife. Bale's Batman is also ridiculous. How can you take him seriously with that voice. :lol I'm sure that's a less controversial opinion of me. 
The duo Rachel+Harvey also annoyed me. It's as if they repeated the same dialog throughout the whole movie. How many times did Rachel say something along the lines of Harvey being nervous for his own party and uneasy in his role as the city's savior in general, and Harvey on the other hand saying that Rachel is breathtakingly beautiful. My memory is hazy, so it might have been somewhat different, but I do remember that after 3 or 4 times the same dialog but slightly altered, I was thinking "WE KNOW ALREADY: Harvey feels uneasy in his new role, Rachel is drop dead gorgeous!". Gordon was also pretty meh. The only characters I liked were Lucius Fox and Alfred. And those are pretty much side characters. So, in general: I was annoyed with all the protagonists, so it can't be a surprise that I didn't really care what was happening with them.
As I said before: I can barely pinpoint some exact scenes that made me dislike aspects of the movie. I should definitely rewatch it so I can give more details and/or adjust my opinion of the movie. But it definitely does not deserve the praise it gets. Sure, it's by far one on the best super hero movies ever created. But if we're honest, does that say much, really? You might also get the impression that I hated the movie, which is off course not true. It's definitely an enjoyable movie, and if Bale and Ledger were replaced (or portrayed their characters in a different way), my main complaints would be gone.
I don't remember all that much of the story anymore. Is that something gaf can use to criticize me, or something I can use the criticize the movie? Either way, the most memorable part of the movie for me was the two "rivaling" boats. The rest of the story is pretty forgettable.
What annoys me more is that I don't like the acting of the main characters. I really disliked (
and I'm not saying this to cause TDK fans a heart attack 
The duo Rachel+Harvey also annoyed me. It's as if they repeated the same dialog throughout the whole movie. How many times did Rachel say something along the lines of Harvey being nervous for his own party and uneasy in his role as the city's savior in general, and Harvey on the other hand saying that Rachel is breathtakingly beautiful. My memory is hazy, so it might have been somewhat different, but I do remember that after 3 or 4 times the same dialog but slightly altered, I was thinking "WE KNOW ALREADY: Harvey feels uneasy in his new role, Rachel is drop dead gorgeous!". Gordon was also pretty meh. The only characters I liked were Lucius Fox and Alfred. And those are pretty much side characters. So, in general: I was annoyed with all the protagonists, so it can't be a surprise that I didn't really care what was happening with them.As I said before: I can barely pinpoint some exact scenes that made me dislike aspects of the movie. I should definitely rewatch it so I can give more details and/or adjust my opinion of the movie. But it definitely does not deserve the praise it gets. Sure, it's by far one on the best super hero movies ever created. But if we're honest, does that say much, really? You might also get the impression that I hated the movie, which is off course not true. It's definitely an enjoyable movie, and if Bale and Ledger were replaced (or portrayed their characters in a different way), my main complaints would be gone.
You are not alone, there are a few GAFFers who preferred Nicholson's Joker over Ledgers, its fine.Souldriver said:I should rewatch it. I have only seen it one time, in the movie theater, and I definitely don't share the sentiment of gaf. I think the "masterpiece" or "redefining movie making" comments are ridiculous.
I don't remember all that much of the story anymore. Is that something gaf can use to criticize me, or something I can use the criticize the movie? Either way, the most memorable part of the movie for me was the two "rivaling" boats. The rest of the story is pretty forgettable.
What annoys me more is that I don't like the acting of the main characters. I really disliked () Ledgers portrayal of the Joker. I'm sure he did a fine acting job, but I personally hated all the antics. The lip smacking, the eye rolling, the grunting and whispering, the crazy voice and forced laughing, ... It made me want to scratch my eyes out and pierce my ears with a knife. Bale's Batman is also ridiculous. How can you take him seriously with that voice. :lol I'm sure that's a less controversial opinion of me.and I'm not saying this to cause TDK fans a heart attack
As I said before: I can barely pinpoint some exact scenes that made me dislike aspects of the movie. I should definitely rewatch it so I can give more details and/or adjust my opinion of the movie. But it definitely does not deserve the praise it gets. Sure, it's by far one on the best super hero movies ever created. But if we're honest, does that say much, really? You might also get the impression that I hated the movie, which is off course not true. It's definitely an enjoyable movie, and if Bale and Ledger were replaced (or portrayed their characters in a different way), my main complaints would be gone.
Souldriver
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I didn't even mention Jack. It always has to come down to X vs Y on gaf, doesn't it?AniHawk said:
I didn't say Oldman did bad, it was just forgettable imo. or at least his role was. Perhaps it's because he often was in a scene where Bale is doing his horrible batman (which makes me cringe anyway), or because I didn't really feel connected to his character (I didn't really care about the dilemma the Joker put him for with his kids to say something). But it's true that I can't really criticize Oldman for his acting. He did fine.
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The scene where Gordon comes home after faking his death and comforts his son with a "I saved Batman" convo was a moment that I knew this film was pulling the rug out from under me without me even realizing it.
Okay, so that happened many times, but that was a major one.
Okay, so that happened many times, but that was a major one.
Souldriver said:I should rewatch it. I have only seen it one time, in the movie theater, and I definitely don't share the sentiment of gaf. I think the "masterpiece" or "redefining movie making" comments are ridiculous.
I don't remember all that much of the story anymore. Is that something gaf can use to criticize me, or something I can use the criticize the movie? Either way, the most memorable part of the movie for me was the two "rivaling" boats. The rest of the story is pretty forgettable.
What annoys me more is that I don't like the acting of the main characters. I really disliked () Ledgers portrayal of the Joker. I'm sure he did a fine acting job, but I personally hated all the antics. The lip smacking, the eye rolling, the grunting and whispering, the crazy voice and forced laughing, ... It made me want to scratch my eyes out and pierce my ears with a knife. Bale's Batman is also ridiculous. How can you take him seriously with that voice. :lol I'm sure that's a less controversial opinion of me.and I'm not saying this to cause TDK fans a heart attack
As I said before: I can barely pinpoint some exact scenes that made me dislike aspects of the movie. I should definitely rewatch it so I can give more details and/or adjust my opinion of the movie. But it definitely does not deserve the praise it gets. Sure, it's by far one on the best super hero movies ever created. But if we're honest, does that say much, really? You might also get the impression that I hated the movie, which is off course not true. It's definitely an enjoyable movie, and if Bale and Ledger were replaced (or portrayed their characters in a different way), my main complaints would be gone.
You've given me a headache.
Souldriver
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Because we disagree?Blader5489 said:
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Solo said:
I agree about Ledger, but I feel the opposite about Bale. I've come to like his performance more upon repeated viewings (or maybe I've just become desensitized to it).
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I would've like to have Bale linger on Rachel's death some more, but the story's pace couldn't afford to let up.
I LET THAT MURDERING PSYCHOPATH BLOW HIM HALFWAY TO HELL
I LET THAT MURDERING PSYCHOPATH BLOW HIM HALFWAY TO HELL
In Bale's defense, a lot of his Batman voice was post-production audio work to make it sound a lot more...eh...grungier then it actually was. It's pretty noticeable if you watch BB and TDK back to back, you can tell there's just more to his Batman voice in TDK, which leads me to believe they didn't do it in BB.
Although, I can't really put my finger on exactly when it became the popular opinion to hate Bale. Like, he ran over your puppy levels of hate.
Up until recently he's been a critically acclaimed actor, but now most people seem to think he sucks, but I don't quite get why. Because of the Batman voice? Okay, apparently doing it in three movies (two of which are Batman movies) is too many for a lot of people. Because he got angry and yelled on the set of Terminator? Russel Crowe hit a hotel employee over the head with a fucking phone, and yet people still like him. Sure Bale got angry but at least he didn't beat the shit out of anyone.
I admit Bale did disappoint in Terminator Salvation (due in part because his character was just horribly written), but I feel like the hate the guy has been getting lately is completely undeserved. Seriously, it's old. I'm fine with people simply just not liking his performances, but some people are acting like he made some sort of personal offense against them.
Although, I can't really put my finger on exactly when it became the popular opinion to hate Bale. Like, he ran over your puppy levels of hate.
Up until recently he's been a critically acclaimed actor, but now most people seem to think he sucks, but I don't quite get why. Because of the Batman voice? Okay, apparently doing it in three movies (two of which are Batman movies) is too many for a lot of people. Because he got angry and yelled on the set of Terminator? Russel Crowe hit a hotel employee over the head with a fucking phone, and yet people still like him. Sure Bale got angry but at least he didn't beat the shit out of anyone.
I admit Bale did disappoint in Terminator Salvation (due in part because his character was just horribly written), but I feel like the hate the guy has been getting lately is completely undeserved. Seriously, it's old. I'm fine with people simply just not liking his performances, but some people are acting like he made some sort of personal offense against them.
BeautifulMemory
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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
And Bale was so charismatic in Batman Begins =/
SCULLIBUNDO
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Please. Bale just didn't try to upstage Ledger and Eckhart is all. He was doing something more, he WASN'T being a hero.
beelzebozo
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man, this is an awesome movie. i caught ten minutes of it in passing on hbo the other day and just freaked out at what a resplendent 600 seconds it was
DeathbyVolcano
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The movie was just the best summer blockbuster I've seen, bar none. That's the special place it has for me.
Masked Man
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How could anyone say that Oldman was weak as Gordon? He was one of the most compelling characters in the film. The hostage scene with his family gets me every single time. ;_;
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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BeautifulMemory said:
I think he just had a lot less to do in the Dark Knight. Batman Begins was definitely Bruce Wayne's movie. The Dark Knight was the Joker's and Harvey Dent's movie. Bruce Wayne got the short end of the stick in the movie.
All I remember from the wait while in line was "Please don't be The Matrix Reloaded! Please don't be The Matrix Reloaded!" I was so scared that it would be another hype > movie summer release. That was the last summer movie that I was this hyped for.
I still enjoyed TMR for what it was, but it could have been so much more :\......lets not speak of Revolutions
Nizz
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I agree with you on Bale. Sure, he pulled an asshole move yelling at that DP on the set of Salvation. But I think he did/is doing a great job as Batman. I don't get the hate for the voice really.Loxley said:
They did processing on his voice in Batman Begins actually, you can hear it. Some added bass to it, to make him sound more menacing. I think it works. I mean, how else is the dude supposed to sound like?
Happens with every actor, putting on that costume makes you feel like a completely different person. So you'll speak in a different way. Michael Keaton spoke differently as Batman. Only thing is with Bale's voice, they did some processing to make him sound meaner...
I still feel the same way about TDK as I felt last year, I still love it. I saw it in the theater. I got it on dvd and saw it maybe 4 times. Then HBO recently started airing it and damn if every time I tuned in I watched it. So that made it maybe three more times that I saw it.
Heath Ledger knocked it out of the park as Joker. IMO probably the best comic book movie villain. Every time he told a story of how he got his scars, it was intense! I actually pretty much enjoyed the entire cast.
Even someone like Eric Roberts was appealing in this flick. The only thing that bugged me was why didn't they just keep Katie Holmes in as Rachel Dawes. Maggie G (don't remember how her last name's spelled) was fine but I'm just a nitpicker when it comes to continuity in movies.
I mean, if her character was going to die anyway, why not keep her in? In general, I hate recasts in movies. I understand if something major happens, like an actor passes away. But in my opinion, it helps me buy into the world of a movie franchise when you see the same actors in a series of films.
But TDK is still pretty awesome to me.
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Solo said:
Yeah, still my favorite Batman.
Skiptastic
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Solo said:
Seeing as how I was unborn for Jaws and all of 9 for T2, I can't really count them as great summer movies for myself. So, yeah, TDK wins.
My biggest problems with Maggie in TDK are:
- while she in generally is a much better actress than Holmes, she really didnt perform any better in TDK than Holmes did in BB
- hate to be shallow, but at least with Katie Holmes, you could believe that two men would be fighting for her affection
- while she in generally is a much better actress than Holmes, she really didnt perform any better in TDK than Holmes did in BB
- hate to be shallow, but at least with Katie Holmes, you could believe that two men would be fighting for her affection
TFK was a good movie. A great action movie actually. However, if the script would have gotten rid of all the "line tapping super computer" and "Batman has magic robot goggles that see shit" it would have been even better.
Basically, that time could have been spent develping characters even more. As it is, they never got me attached to the girl or Gordon, and that really sucks cuz Gary Oldman is an amazing acotr and he has been in two of these things and still feels like window dressing.
Just my $0.02 looking back
Also, A few action scenes were poorly shot just like the first.
Maggie G DID seem to phone it in for the DK but she wasn't given much to work with. Boring character.
She hasn't aged well, but she isn't ugly. I'm not too concerned with that.
Basically, that time could have been spent develping characters even more. As it is, they never got me attached to the girl or Gordon, and that really sucks cuz Gary Oldman is an amazing acotr and he has been in two of these things and still feels like window dressing.
Just my $0.02 looking back
Also, A few action scenes were poorly shot just like the first.
Maggie G DID seem to phone it in for the DK but she wasn't given much to work with. Boring character.
She hasn't aged well, but she isn't ugly. I'm not too concerned with that.
DeathbyVolcano
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Solo said:
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Masked Man said:
Oldman deserves a lot of credit. His work is the most subtle in the film, and considering how big the film is with everyone else going a little over the top, he did incredible. He could star in a Jim Gordon film and I'd be their day one.
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