The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim PC Performance discussion
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AlphaDragoon
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That's odd. I have an i7 920 and a GTX 470 and I put those same settings on, no framerate drop whatsoever.
Kermit The Frog
Banned
How does Skyrim play with the wireless 360 controller? Is it as good as the wired? Is vibration as good as the 360 version?
Really? Did you test with FRAPS or something?
Yes to everything, works fine (better than KB&M in my opinion) and vibration is solid, probably exactly the same as the 360 version.
When you combine all his mods together the improvement is quite significant (at high resolutions). All we need now is high-res armour textures and we'll be all good for avatars and companions.
What AA, AF, tweaks and mods are you using? With everything at stock you should be fine...
AA 8x, AF 16x, shadows on trees/rocks, 1080p, Ultra settings except shadows on high.
That explains it then, you're about on the cusp of what the 560 Ti can handle. If Bethesda can optimize the shadows and some other stuff you may gain enough spare perf, or you could try and OC your CPU/GPU.
IoCaster
Member
As a long time PC gamer I cringe when I see a comment like this. I can understand that someone would be accustomed to using a controller when playing an FPS, but the notion that it is somehow better than KB/M, even as an opinion, is such an alien concept to me. The inefficiency of thumbing frantically trying to line up a shot on a flying dragon would drive me nuts. With a KB/M I'd have killed it, looted the remains and sauntered off with it's soul in the time it would take me to get that one shot off with the controller. Trying to play an FPS with a controller always feels gimped to me.
Forgive them, IoCaster, for they know not what they do.
Alcoholikaust
Member
Iocaster, it's the only way to play. (well us couch gaming pc gamers at least!) enjoy!
IoCaster
Member
I can certainly understand that it's a preference, but the idea that it's somehow better makes no sense to me. *shrug*
The game plays just fine on gamepad. But it is confusing to me why people keep insisting it plays better on gamepad. They seem to think the menus is what makes this the case, because they were designed for the gamepad. While this is true, except for character creation the menu works just fine for kb/m. You can use wasd as your joystick, tab and e as your a and b buttons. All that functionality is identical.
And then on top of that you can use the scrollwheel if your mouse is in the window and you can use the mouse to select things rapidly rather than having to go through them slowly to get to your selection. And you can go directly to the submenus with shortcut keys rather then having to go through the first level submenu, then choosing map/magic/items/skills. It comes prebuilt with 1-8 hotkeys and quicksave/quickload although I understand you can add this to the gamepad with a mod.
And of course pointing at stuff is always better with a mouse.
I do agree with the argument that this game is best played on a big TV with surround sound, and often that is a couch for most people, and a gamepad is definitely more comfortable on a couch. And analogue movement is a nice feature of the gamepad I wish kb/m replicated.
I think it's great that the game supports both control methods so well though so that we have options!
And then on top of that you can use the scrollwheel if your mouse is in the window and you can use the mouse to select things rapidly rather than having to go through them slowly to get to your selection. And you can go directly to the submenus with shortcut keys rather then having to go through the first level submenu, then choosing map/magic/items/skills. It comes prebuilt with 1-8 hotkeys and quicksave/quickload although I understand you can add this to the gamepad with a mod.
And of course pointing at stuff is always better with a mouse.
I do agree with the argument that this game is best played on a big TV with surround sound, and often that is a couch for most people, and a gamepad is definitely more comfortable on a couch. And analogue movement is a nice feature of the gamepad I wish kb/m replicated.
I think it's great that the game supports both control methods so well though so that we have options!
It's better ergonomically and for comfort, that's way more important to me than hitting a dragon in the air perfectly.
I actually can't hit a flying dragon even with m/kb amusingly enough. I just can't figure out how to lead things with bow and arrow. It's a bit easier with destruction spells.
IoCaster
Member
Relax Princess. I clearly stated that I understand that it's a simple preference for some people to play with a controller. I reject the contention that it's objectively better, but agree that opinions will differ on the subject.
IoCaster
Member
I was referring to performance, accuracy and efficiency. I thought the context was fairly obvious. I'd also point out that I'm quite comfortable playing with a KB/M. In any case, it's time for me to stop the derail and move on.
Why do some of the textures look drastically different with F3 performance AO on?
vanilla: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2286376/TESV 2011-11-26 21-10-46-03.png
f3 performance ao: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2286376/TESV 2011-11-27 15-28-47-23.png
The ground got greener and that log!
vanilla: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2286376/TESV 2011-11-26 21-10-46-03.png
f3 performance ao: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2286376/TESV 2011-11-27 15-28-47-23.png
The ground got greener and that log!
Hey guys, got a question.
My PC rig is not as good as I remembered (lol...). I just checked and while it works great for my job (3D modeling), I think for gaming it's already quite old.
Intel Core 2 Quad. CPU Q9450 @ 2.66GHz
RAM 4GB
GeForce 9600 GT
Running on Windows 7 64-bit. Do you guys think I'd be able to run the game with at least the same visual quality as PS3 and 360? (which I know isn't the best out there, anyway).
Also, if I plug a 360 controller would I be able to play with it?
I plan on updating my PC around February of next year, and making a fairly powerful workstation for 3D modeling so it should be able to run the game quite well by then, but until then it won't be the best thing out there I guess...
My PC rig is not as good as I remembered (lol...). I just checked and while it works great for my job (3D modeling), I think for gaming it's already quite old.
Intel Core 2 Quad. CPU Q9450 @ 2.66GHz
RAM 4GB
GeForce 9600 GT
Running on Windows 7 64-bit. Do you guys think I'd be able to run the game with at least the same visual quality as PS3 and 360? (which I know isn't the best out there, anyway).
Also, if I plug a 360 controller would I be able to play with it?
I plan on updating my PC around February of next year, and making a fairly powerful workstation for 3D modeling so it should be able to run the game quite well by then, but until then it won't be the best thing out there I guess...
Well maybe the person you originally quoted wasn't referring to performance, accuracy or efficiency. Both control methods have their pros and cons, so we don't need to look down on others for preferring one over the other.
Someone else can confirm this but I think you can run it nicely. Not maxed out but on the same level as consoles.Hey guys, got a question.
My PC rig is not as good as I remembered (lol...). I just checked and while it works great for my job (3D modeling), I think for gaming it's already quite old.
Intel Core 2 Quad. CPU Q9450 @ 2.66GHz
RAM 4GB
GeForce 9600 GT
Running on Windows 7 64-bit. Do you guys think I'd be able to run the game with at least the same visual quality as PS3 and 360? (which I know isn't the best out there, anyway).
Also, if I plug a 360 controller would I be able to play with it?
I plan on updating my PC around February of next year, and making a fairly powerful workstation for 3D modeling so it should be able to run the game quite well by then, but until then it won't be the best thing out there I guess...
Johnny2Bags
Member
LOL.. yes... everyone here just bout' uses framerate posting programs on a normal basis during gameplay... myself included...
I'm the exact opposite. I can't hit shit in any kind of FPS when I play with kb+m. My accuracy in bad company 2 is actually 5% lower than what it was on 360. After an hour of getting used to using a bow in this game I was able to headshot people like crazy with a pad but I miss horribly on the mouse.
It comes down to experience. I've played 22 years with some form of a pad, and around 12-15 with the "dualshock" type pad (meaning the 2 sticks, shoulders and all that stuff which the 360 pad copies). At this point that controller is basically another hand to me.
Hey guys, got a question.
My PC rig is not as good as I remembered (lol...). I just checked and while it works great for my job (3D modeling), I think for gaming it's already quite old.
Intel Core 2 Quad. CPU Q9450 @ 2.66GHz
RAM 4GB
GeForce 9600 GT
Running on Windows 7 64-bit. Do you guys think I'd be able to run the game with at least the same visual quality as PS3 and 360? (which I know isn't the best out there, anyway).
Also, if I plug a 360 controller would I be able to play with it?
I plan on updating my PC around February of next year, and making a fairly powerful workstation for 3D modeling so it should be able to run the game quite well by then, but until then it won't be the best thing out there I guess...
Same GPU as you, 4gb ram, and a C2D. I can share my .ini files for you to start off with when you get the game. I've tweaked it to run as good looking as I can get it without going below 30 much at all. Looks better than consoles. I sacrifice shadows for performance because I don't care how accurate they are as long as they are there.
360 controller works perfectly and the menus adapt to it.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Just got to Whiterun. Performance keeps impressing me. I think it runs better than Oblivion, and looks quite a bit better to boot. Perhaps not as clean without much AA on my rig but definitely better with all the atmospheric effects going depending on the area and the new lighting. It rarely dips below 30 fps and there's very occasional quick stuttering, whereas Oblivion had almost constant hitching whenever walking around outdoor. I even bumped shadows to high and AA to 4x and it didn't affect it seemingly at all. Any idea if this will continue or if the game struggles later with large scale battles or more complex cities or whatever? I don't want this to be another The Witcher 2 case where performance at first seemed great but every new area worsened and by the time I reached that one city the game was slowing to a crawl with reduced settings...
brotkasten
Member
Any mods to mark read books as read?
Sounds great. I'm having Wallach buy the game for me from the US Steam store because the JP store doesn't have the game available
If he replies soon, I will do all the transactions today and hopefully be downloading the game in about an hour or so, dunno.If you can, send me the ini file via email (my nickname @gmail). You can also add me via Steam, my nickname over there is the same as here.
Johnny2Bags
Member
So the Mods I've installed are starting to make this game look EASILY TWICE AS GOOD as vanilla...
fxaa injector preset 4
HD skyrim
flora,
water
sunbeams
faces
etc...
wow....
fxaa injector preset 4
HD skyrim
flora,
water
sunbeams
faces
etc...
wow....
Yeah, I said that from the start. When the game works as intended (which it seems to do on your system and mine) it looks much better and runs much smoother than Oblivion, with fewer weird performance idiosyncrasies.
In some cities the framerate drops a bit, especially when you're looking at it from an angle where you see the whole city.
Regarding the mouse/kb vs controller argument, preferences and comfort are obviously subjective, but I don't think it's wrong to state that a mouse is an objectively superior control method for first person games purely in terms of performance.
GHG
Member
Not sure if this has been posted but I've just come across a cool hassle free skyrimprefs.ini generator:
http://donotargue.com/cfg-makers/skyrim/
Just follow the instructions, select what settings you want for each thing and copy the text into your ini file.
http://donotargue.com/cfg-makers/skyrim/
Just follow the instructions, select what settings you want for each thing and copy the text into your ini file.
The 2 self shadowing ones absolutely should be the starting point, they make a large difference with minimal impact.
Ugrids is a relatively small visual difference in many cases, but with a large performance hit (particularly beyond 7), so I'd refrain from that on a "crappy" rig.
Yeah, I tried it out on release day and disabled it for that reason.
RukusProvider
Banned
I was finally able to get past this part. I did some searching and it'd seem like running the game in "windowed" mode was the key to get through this particular section.
So if anyone has a random spot in which their game keeps crashing, give it a shot!
Don't get any of that (using High Quality Fallout 3 AO).
The land shadows value just below the tree entry. In my experience, it does nothing, and I've never seen anyone produce a screenshot proving that it does work.
bDrawLandShadows=1
I don't want to play at 25-30FPS.
RukusProvider
Banned
Are you still running these settings for your config?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32717568&postcount=2835
If not, would you mind posting your newer configs and highlighting the differences?
I noticed that you have AO enabled but nothing picked under compatiability. Does that mean AO is not being applied based on these settings? You also have AA set to none? doesn't this override the in game AA?
Yea, that's all old and busted. I'll try and compile everything and update it.
Edit: Here you go...
Test Area Shot (Water, Mountains, Distance Details, uGrids, Shadows, etc): http://h11.abload.de/img/tesv2011-11-2718-25-0rqjke.png
NVI Settings: http://h11.abload.de/img/nvi7djcd.png
SkyrimPrefs.ini: http://pastebin.com/fPXJu7v1
Skyrim.ini: http://pastebin.com/KkAjNGZB
In the end I turned on FXAA as there was too much sharpening from all the AA. With the HQ AF the blur was lessened and it came out just about right. Still can't do anything about those shitty shadowing crawls on some surfaces, however.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Thanks for updating that.
The Hermit
Member
So, I posted this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScY5ipR8upU a while ago... anyway, I have the same laptop but the game is nowhere as smooth as that, even on the lowest settings. I tried re installing, updating the video driver but no dice.
My brother, who has an old Core 2Duo with a GTX260 can run this game much better than mine... on the other hand Crysis 2 runs with DX11 and everything on Extreme is smooth as hell on my laptop.
anyway, how can I fix this?
My brother, who has an old Core 2Duo with a GTX260 can run this game much better than mine... on the other hand Crysis 2 runs with DX11 and everything on Extreme is smooth as hell on my laptop.
anyway, how can I fix this?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Start by turning down shadows and general LOD settings and terrain map distances. If you're really struggling, turn down shadow res to 2048 (default is 4096). Exterior shadow distance to 2000 and shadow filter to 2. Consider also turning off tree shadows and land shadows. It's compromises but you gotta do what you gotta do.
Installed some graphics mods, menu mod and more RAM mod yesterday and my game is running incredibly now! Only one problem and I was wondering if someone here could help me pinpoint what it might be... My interactions are now delayed. Trying to open doors, finishing talking with NPCs, mining, that sort of thing. I'll press E and about 30 seconds later the action will actually happen. First noticed when I tried opening a dungeon door, didn't work, so I resumed exploring and magically teleported to the dungeon :lol
Anyone have ideas on what could be causing this? I really don't want to uninstall all my mods and try them one at a time.
Anyone have ideas on what could be causing this? I really don't want to uninstall all my mods and try them one at a time.
Gareth Bale
Member
Marsipolami
Member
84,133 people. Including me.
It looks incredible and it's only when you've installed Enhanced Night Skyrim that you realize how low-res the vanilla night sky is. The version with High Density is the best in my opinion, doesn't feel like too much at all.
It looks incredible and it's only when you've installed Enhanced Night Skyrim that you realize how low-res the vanilla night sky is. The version with High Density is the best in my opinion, doesn't feel like too much at all.
Gareth Bale
Member
Thanks. Are you using the blue one or the colour one?
I'm using the colour one and I love it.