The fall of Castro...

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Culex said:
Anyone here supporting Castro might as well join the "Hitler was my best friend" club.
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Not really. You can look at the record here on this one.

Hitler: Invaded Western and Eastern Europe, practiced genocide, slaughtered politcal prisoners.

Castro: Once got nukes from Soviet Russia, but didn't have control over them. Mostly been sitting around on an island for the last 40 years, killing the politcal opposition, making speeches, and pretty much been useless. Hes is probably about the same or a little bit better then some of the dictators that we had set up around the world to fight communism (which includes the taliban, and saddam)
 
USA captures more Cuban spies than from any other country. CIA has also tried to assasinate Castro a few times and failed.
 
Castro is along the lines of Mugabe


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DarienA said:
Am I reading this thread correctly? There are people here actually SUPPORTING Castro? This forum never ceases to show me something new each day....
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Me too. I feel sorry for Castro in the sense that he's a person and I wouldn't want anyone to be hurt (plus at his age, this is the type of injury that may be the beginning of the end for him). But otherwise, the guy's a dictator and you really have to let socialism (or liberalism or whatever you want to label it) warp your mind to really defend the guy. Is he the worst guy in the world? Of course not, but that doesn't make him good either. I've gotten to the point that I'm not really in favor of Bush at all, but anybody who thinks that Castro is somehow better than Bush either has a huge liberal chip on their shoulder that is making their brain degenerate in an ideology-based cesspool or are looking at Castro with the most rose-tinted glasses in the world. :p Bush has done more than his fair share of bad deeds (intentional or otherwise). But let's not get on the ideology-no sense train by boosting/supporting Castro. :p
 
Did some of you even read the stuff I posted and linked too? Of course not because isn't it so fucking typical to ignore the arguments someone makes and links to and instead revert back to the same old brain dead view of the world driven by US propaganda. Political suppression in Cuba is hardly ideal and one could easily say that this state of affairs has largely arisen due to decades of US backed guerrillas and terrorist activities against the Cuban state, namely the destruction of public infrastructure, introduction of crop destroying plagues, and numerous bombings and assassination attempts. Despite this, and the rigid security policies that result (the extent of which being vasty overstated in the west), why isn't Cuba's amazing achievements in health, education and living standards recognised in the face of a totally bullshit US embargo and the fall of the Soviet Union? I'll damn well defend Castro, for telling exploitive US companies to get fucked, for his extensive programs on free and accessible education greatly improving literacy levels since he came to power, likewise for his free and accessible health services greatly increasing life expectancy and reducing infant mortality rates, and his export of doctors overseas and the offering of free medical scholarships to people abroad to help poor communities such as some African American communities in the US that Bush couldn't give a fuck about.

And while we're discussing Bush, what the fuck has he done for the US exactly? Waste over $100 Billion on an emerging quagmire of a war, money that could have, and should have went into the public sector. Not only maintain but vastly increase the national debt of the US all the while thinking that by giving the rich tax breaks they're going to invest in the US economy and stimulate growth...more like take the extra money, fuck off to some third world country packed full of wage slaves and invest it there instead. And then there’s the never-ending propaganda about 'the evil terrorists coming to murder us all', totally overblowing reality for the sole purpose on getting a green light on questionable US foreign and domestic policies and showing us once again the old theory of the US needing an 'official enemy' as a scapegoat to advance the agendas of the ruling elite in power.
 
Too bad that fucker didn't outright die, he needs to stop fucking my country up and just die already.

Btw, anyone who supports Castro, I hate you. Forever.
 
Xabre, maybe you should take into account people who actually lived there. People don't defect a country because everything is all "peachy." And you do realize that the free healthcare really isn't free, right? Other areas where money is needed goes to healthcare like transportation, poor housing. And because of the poor housing the citizens get sick and then have to go get "free" healthcare.

You could give all the links you want, it doesn't matter. I'm sure not going to read. I know how Castro is and how he's treated his own people. Nothing he does will ever change the years of torment he caused, nothing!
 
Scoobert said:
I know how Castro is and how he's treated his own people. Nothing he does will ever change the years of torment he caused, nothing!
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Are you Cuban by any chance?

My parents have told me all the stories of the shit Castro did to them while in Cuba and to their friends. Castro is not good in any sense of the word, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a dumbass.

By the by, everyone should read Before Night Falls by Reynaldo Arenas if you want to know what it's like to live under Castro.
 
Now you got me started, thanks!

I want to further continue "free" healthcare. Maybe I should put healthcare in quotes too, because it really isn't that. Do you know familes that live outside of Cuba send medicine to their families in Cuba? And yes, that even includes the littlest of things, aspirin. Medicine and the required tools are in very short supply. Not to mention they run the tests they feel they should run. That's if you could even make some sort of appointment.

And as far as education goes, how good is it when you can't even really use it? You're only allowed to read what they give you! If they don't feel it's appropriate it's not going to be on the island. I call it a brain washed education. You learn what they want.

Cuba is in it's own little world. Very few people know what goes on in the rest of the world. And if they do know anything it's what ever Castro tells them.
 
Boogie9IGN said:
Are you Cuban by any chance?
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Yes, I even have family stories. Like how my grandfather was held by Castro's soldiers for a month, being tortured trying to get some information out of him. He didn't give what they wanted so what do they do? They then go after your oldest son. My grandmother told my Uncle to leave and don't come back for a few months. At 12-13 he had to live on the streets if not they would have used him to get what they wanted out of his father.

Yeah, so you can't say Castro is good and all that crap. Go live in that world, talk to the people who lived in that world. Then come back and tell me Castro is a decent man.
 
Scoobert said:
Yes, I even have family stories. Like how my grandfather was held by Castro's soldiers for a month, being tortured trying to get some information out of him. He didn't give what they wanted so what do they do? They then go after your oldest son. My grandmother told my Uncle to leave and don't come back for a few months. At 12-13 he had to live on the streets if not they would have used him to get what they wanted out of his father.

Yeah, so you can't say Castro is good and all that crap. Go live in that world, talk to the people who lived in that world. Then come back and tell me Castro is a decent man.
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Yay, a fellow Cuban!
I could go into the stories about my grandfather too, but fuck they're long.
Anyways, to everyone else, listen to Scoobert, he speaks the truth.
 
Hey I'm always right, 1% of the time. Ahaha.

The stories are definitely long and painful. I do remember an interesting one though. Like how a high ranking Cuban soldier was recognized around here. He was a bit older, but people knew who he was and what he had done. Then all of sudden one day he just disappeared. I have no idea what happened, but i'm sure you could make a guess.
 
Whoa, it's great to see common sense on gaming-age. While we're at it, fuck Che and Mumia as well.

P.S. I know Mumia's trial and investigation was kind of fucked, and he probably deserves a retrial, but no sane human being can possibly think that this guy didn't shoot that cop.
 
KingV said:
Whoa, it's great to see common sense on gaming-age. While we're at it, fuck Che and Mumia as well.
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Amen on the Che thing. I don't know who Mumia is so I can't say anything.

Saint Cornelius said:
Hey, Cubans: your cuisine is impeccable! Thank you.
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No prob! :D
 
Boogie9IGN said:
Amen on the Che thing. I don't know who Mumia is so I can't say anything.



No prob! :D
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Wait, your tag is Yes, I am a sailor, are you in the Navy perhaps?


Mumia is another lefty poster child. Not related to Cuba in any way, but basically he was a fairly radical black journalist who had a pyschological downturn that led him to make his living as a Taxi Driver that was found wounded next to a dead cop with a gun registered to him on the ground and an empty shoulder holster. The police botched the investigation at the least, and tampered with evidence at the worst. Mumia has never offered an alternative to the chain of events that the prosecution espoused in his trial, but proclaims his innocence.

I find it highly amazing how horrible the people that the far left tends to rally around almost always are.
 
KingV said:
Wait, your tag is Yes, I am a sailor, are you in the Navy perhaps?


Mumia is another lefty poster child. Not related to Cuba in any way, but basically he was a fairly radical black journalist who had a pyschological downturn that led him to make his living as a Taxi Driver that was found wounded next to a dead cop with a gun registered to him on the ground and an empty shoulder holster. The police botched the investigation at the least, and tampered with evidence at the worst. Mumia has never offered an alternative to the chain of events that the prosecution espoused in his trial, but proclaims his innocence.

I find it highly amazing how horrible the people that the far left tends to rally around almost always are.
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The tag is in reference to me asking if it was wrong to want to be one of the sailors Ryo was looking for in Shenmue, if you catch my drift :D

And thanks for the info on Mumia, sounds interesting
 
Listen, I SAW CAPTAIN RON. I KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT CUBA.

AND I SAW DIE ANOTHER DAY. CUBA IS FOR RICH TERRORISTS. FACT.
 
KingV said:
Whoa, it's great to see common sense on gaming-age. While we're at it, fuck Che and Mumia as well.

P.S. I know Mumia's trial and investigation was kind of fucked, and he probably deserves a retrial, but no sane human being can possibly think that this guy didn't shoot that cop.
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Uh there's plenty of common sense on gaming-age. I have a lot of respect for posters like xsarien or Hitokage. When the gay threads pop up, usually only a small minority support further suppression of homosexuals.
 
Believe it or not, Castros does a lot for people in the islands. He put some of my relatives through college with his scholarships. Castro's far from the devil he's made out to be. He's not good, but I don't think he's that bad, and a lot of people from the islands will say the same. He has the political prisoners thing, but it looks like we're in that business too. I'm really not seeing what the big deal is anymore beyond the red scare. Almost everyone else deals with Cuba but us. PEACE.

Scoobert/Boogie: Have either of you actually experienced any of this first-hand or is it all stories from the grandparents? If the US wasn't being a total bitch about travel to Cuba, it would be easier for people to travel there and see first hand what this cruel man has done. I think it might suprise some people. My mom's been through Cuba in her travels. It's like anywhere in the islands, she says, but in generally better condition. Cuba's one of the more successful islands in the Caribbean, if not the most successful one. And it's in no small part to Castro. Comparing Cuba to the US is stupid. Compare it to what else is around it. It's why Castro offers aid to the other islands, b/c they got shit to spare. If all we had to go on was the US government and the rabid Cuban population here in Miami, then we'd have carpet-bombed Cuba the moment communism fell. God help us if capitalism, and the vultures that exploit it, couldn't conquer the entire Western Hemisphere. If the US didn't totally shit on Manley's plan in Jamaica, then there would be two socialist countries in the islands, and maybe more.
 
KingV said:
Fun fact, Cuba has low HIV rates because it isolates infected citizens from the rest of the population. Kind of like what we did with Lepers fifty years ago. Also, there's two tiers to Cuba's health care system. One for tourists, and one for citizens. Guess which is the "good" one? Here's a hint, it helps not to live there.

more here: http://www.canfnet.org/Issues/medicalapartheid.htm

I know a couple of people who've been to Cuba outside of tourism, and said it was an absolute shit-hole, and the people were dirt poor. A good friend of mine went there as a foreign exchange student (one of the few legal ways to go there from the US) and came back with plenty of stories, one was where he smoked weed with a guy he met. They don't have rolling papers in Cuba, so they smoke out of the pages in a book. Mind you this was in a one room shack where the guy lived with his entire extended family, the toilet was just sitting in the middle of the floor. He said he showed a couple of people his portable CD player and they looked like they'd seen the face of God, he ended up leaving it there with somebody.

But hey, give Castro a free pass, I mean he's gotta be better than Bush, right?
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Welcome to the islands. If you think that's bad, see also Dominica and Antigua (two poor ones I've lived in), but also Jamaica and scores of other places in the Caribbean. The Bahamas and Cuba are probably the two best islands to visit. You have poverty and squalor everywhere. There's no embargo against the Dominican government. There was none against the Bahamian government while I was there, eventhough everyone and their granny knew Pindling was taking money from the drug lords. I mean, you had planes flying drops over Grand Bahamas multiple times a day. Why is Cuba the only island getting the squeeze, and the only island who's "refugees" are given the green light so easily? The Cold War ended a long time ago, but the US admins haven't gotten their heads out of their asses yet. Due to Reagan's policies, especially the insanely biased INS free passes he gave means that every presidential candidate will pander to the Cuban lobby in Miami, b/c Cubans have seized a great deal of power here. Metro-Dade being the biggest metropolitan area in the state, and with the Cuban population growing stronger, they would be stupid not to continue the embargo. It keeps the old-money happy, and they're the ones who currently run the town. PEACE.
 
If the US didn't totally shit on Manley's plan in Jamaica, then there would be two socialist countries in the islands, and maybe more.
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Wait a second, Manley failed because his socialist policies were failures, business people, (upper) middle class left the island because of his politics, one reason why there is a striving Jamaican community in South Florida, he ran the economy in the ground by buying up farmland (Sugar cane) and other industries to run by government control and screwed them up, He tried to recover by taking out loans that drove the country into worse debt.

He ran to make ties to Cuba which economical and politically wise was idiotic since the rest of the Islands were reaching out to Latin America, USA, Canada to open up more economic markets. That didn't help Jamaica's economy at all, the Oil crisis of the 70's was a kick in the ass and Jamaica today hasn't recovered from the Manley years.

True, Seaga wasn't any better in his some respects, but he tried to reverse the policies and succeed to a certain extent, I remember Manley coming back into power and was more to the right than he was before. So at least he learned.


but also Jamaica and scores of other places in the Caribbean. The Bahamas and Cuba are probably the two best islands to visit. You have poverty and squalor everywhere.
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Trindad and Tobago says BLEH to you, though these days since the coup attempt its headed down the same path as Jamaica did.
 
Pimpwerx said:
Welcome to the islands. If you think that's bad, see also Dominica and Antigua (two poor ones I've lived in), but also Jamaica and scores of other places in the Caribbean. The Bahamas and Cuba are probably the two best islands to visit. You have poverty and squalor everywhere. There's no embargo against the Dominican government. There was none against the Bahamian government while I was there, eventhough everyone and their granny knew Pindling was taking money from the drug lords. I mean, you had planes flying drops over Grand Bahamas multiple times a day. Why is Cuba the only island getting the squeeze, and the only island who's "refugees" are given the green light so easily? The Cold War ended a long time ago, but the US admins haven't gotten their heads out of their asses yet. Due to Reagan's policies, especially the insanely biased INS free passes he gave means that every presidential candidate will pander to the Cuban lobby in Miami, b/c Cubans have seized a great deal of power here. Metro-Dade being the biggest metropolitan area in the state, and with the Cuban population growing stronger, they would be stupid not to continue the embargo. It keeps the old-money happy, and they're the ones who currently run the town. PEACE.
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I agree the embargo is inane, and I'm not sure why we still hold on to it. I'm just tired of people holding Cuba up on some kind of pedestal like it's the holy grail of places to live, where everything is peachy keen. It's not, by most civilized standards, it's a turd pit outside of the tourist areas. Castro isn't some kind of super benevolent genius ruler that made Cuba an island paradise against all odds. He's just anoter dirtbag dictator that just so happens to be not quite as bad as some of the other dictators.
 
I'm just tired of people holding Cuba up on some kind of pedestal like it's the holy grail of places to live, where everything is peachy keen.
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i dont think anybody in this thread was saying anything akin to cuba being an island paradise or a great place to live even. what i read was more like, comparative to other third world nations or surrounding islands, Cuba has better living standards, education and healthcare.
cant compare poor nations to 1st world countries like the US or Canada.

KingV said:
It's not, by most civilized standards, it's a turd pit outside of the tourist areas.
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aside from a few picturesque European countries, isnt that true about most of the world? not necessarily a "turd pit" but i mean in most parts of the world there is a huge discrepency between the tourist locales and the rest of the country. and in the third world countries, the discrepency is most apparent.
you go to a 5 star hotel anywhere in this world, they are always the same, i gurantee you.
but step out of the Hyatt Regency in calcutta and you'll feel a world of difference as compared to stepping out of the Grand Hyatt in nyc.
 
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