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[Amory]

This literally already happened in Dallas. It's not hard to imagine that it could happen again. If the FBI sees a similar attack as 'very likely' then they obviously should be pursuing those leads.

Are we saying that evidence doesn't exist? How would anyone know?

 

[RastaMentality]

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that there may be violent individuals using the current issues and situations as motivation for violent attacks on police and others, we've seen the examples post Ferguson, and they are listed in the document. It's also reasonable to say there may be some hiding within BLM ranks that subscribe to such ideas. Obviously the optics are terrible, and perhaps this needs to be handled differently, but at the same time it would be negligent of then to ignore potential threats regardless of where they are coming from. It's too easy to get weapons in the country.

It’s not fucking optics. This was abused in the past to take down anything resembling black rights movements. Im not sure why we’re giving the FBI the benefit of the doubt here.

 

[TheOMan]

the list is officially a single line item

1) identifying as Black

I mean...it's in the name.

 

[hipbabboom]

Makes me wonder 50 years from now, which black public figures will it come to light that the FBI tried to frame or have assassinated to control this influx of "Black Identity Extremists."

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Is this considered a credible source?

This is the first time I've ever heard of this publication. I know The Root ran it afterward, but that's more like a blog than a news outlet like WP, NYT, or The Guardian.

 

[BlazinSkatinAxel]

Yeah.

All this confirms is that nothing ever changed.

Nothing at all. They want to protect white supremacy at all costs.

 

[SeanC]

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that there may be violent individuals using the current issues and situations as motivation for violent attacks on police and others, we've seen the examples post Ferguson, and they are listed in the document. It's also reasonable to say there may be some hiding within BLM ranks that subscribe to such ideas. Obviously the optics are terrible, and perhaps this needs to be handled differently, but at the same time it would be negligent of then to ignore potential threats regardless of where they are coming from. It's too easy to get weapons in the country.

That's the point, though. "Maybe" is enough for them to push on this meanwhile Dylan Roof, who admitted it was because of white nationalist radicalism, just had "mental issues." No push back on those groups? Charlottesville just a typical weekend, I guess. All those online posts about murdering non-whites and angry white supremacists out in the streets just the norm. Their intent with BLM and BIE is clear.

The FBI literally went back to the 60s and 70s and read how to destroy a movement, this is the same bullet points they gave regarding the Black Panthers.

 

[ApharmdX]

"Please stop killing innocent black people."
-BLM

"Look at these unpatriotic terrorists!"
-America

This isn't right.

 

[supermarioworldE]

Naturally it's not the white supremacists both in and out of law enforcement that's the problem. It's us as black people protesting the documented abuse from said white supremacists that's an issue.

This country's a fucking joke.

 

[Jmanunknown]

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that there may be violent individuals using the current issues and situations as motivation for violent attacks on police and others, we've seen the examples post Ferguson, and they are listed in the document. It's also reasonable to say there may be some hiding within BLM ranks that subscribe to such ideas. Obviously the optics are terrible, and perhaps this needs to be handled differently, but at the same time it would be negligent of then to ignore potential threats regardless of where they are coming from. It's too easy to get weapons in the country.

The FBI did this same kind of bs to Martin Luther King Jr until the day he died. Its not optics its unrepentant racism. Its what happens when nazi's and white supremacist are allowed to hold the highest offices.

 

[D i Z]

The next step in developing that ethnostate. Take all the white terrorists groups of the list. Bring em back into the fold, and declare minority protest groups as threats. Strip rights away as you see fit.

 

[Slayven]

Makes me wonder 50 years from now, which black public figures will it come to light that the FBI tried to frame or have assassinated to control this influx of "Black Identity Extremists."

They totally going to white wash Kaep like they did Muhammad Ali

 

[moltonasty]

Fuck this country.

Basically. No idea how things can improve tbh

 

[LegendofJoe]

It’s not fucking optics. This was abused in the past to take down anything resembling black rights movements. Im not sure why we’re giving the FBI the benefit of the doubt here.

The FBI has also prevented a lot of attacks on racial minorities, many of which are recent. They aren't a monolithic organization. The regional branches of the FBI can be very different from one another, in terms of both their internal culture and the priorities they set. So while some branches are inclined to prop up white supremacy others are not.

 

[JustenP88]

"Comey is my homie"

"It's Mueller time"

Federal cops aren't friends, whether they like Trump or not.

 

[TumblingHippo]

I never want to hear a white person ever say they were oppressed ever again.

 

[Aaronrules380]

This is fucking disgusting.

 

[IrishNinja]

The Move Bombing. Where police firebombed a black liberation group

what's crazy is I learned the details of this from ed piskors Hip Hop Family Tree vol 4, of all places - literally just finished Eyes On The Prize recently and sadly that series tied up before it went down

 

[Lightning_Roller]

I never want to hear a white person ever say they were oppressed ever again.

Agreed. They don't even know what oppression really is.

 

[Not]

We're never going to solve this shit are we

 

[Cth]

It’s not fucking optics. This was abused in the past to take down anything resembling black rights movements. Im not sure why we’re giving the FBI the benefit of the doubt here.

This is why I'm hesistant yet understand why everyone wants to label any gun violence as terrorist activity.

While true on one level, it also gives the government a wide berth of how to proactively go after groups just by slapping the label terrorist on them.

 

[AJLma]

Ah, a new ghost to chase.

 

[Instro]

That's the point, though. "Maybe" is enough for them to push on this meanwhile Dylan Roof, who admitted it was because of white nationalist radicalism, just had "mental issues." No push back on those groups? Charlottesville just a typical weekend, I guess. All those online posts about murdering non-whites and angry white supremacists out in the streets just the norm. Their intent with BLM and BIE is clear.

The FBI literally went back to the 60s and 70s and read how to destroy a movement, this is the same bullet points they gave regarding the Black Panthers.

But we know that the FBI is literally monitoring white supremacist/nationalist groups. Example:
http://amp.usatoday.com/story/98000602/

 

[jviggy43]

Isn't this how Civil Rights Movement groups were pretty much seen as?

Yes. Nixon's tough on crime initiative was very much rooted in silencing civil rights protests (and war protests) in order to turn what was once seen as an egalitarian call to protect minorities into a movement that was viewed as rioting and criminals. Sound familiar?

 

[KarneeKarnay]

We're about 5 feet away from Trump organisng an House Un-American Activities Committee v2.

This is not a surprise.

 

[PeskyToaster]

They totally going to white wash Kaep like they did Muhammad Ali

I can see it now.

You gotta stop protesting and blocking highways. I'll have you know that Colin Kaepernick KNELT for your rights. Like King before him he knew that true freedom is only accomplished through silent, peaceful, and extremely accommodating towards traffic laws protest.

 

[KillLaCam]

Is that new though? I thought that's how they saw the black panther like ppl anyway

 

[Lunar15]

But white supremacists are fine people.

Fuck all this shit.

 

[Secret Fawful]

From the document itself:

Right. Even though the majority of mass shooters and domestic terrorists are statistically white men, we just absolutely needed to announce a new terrorist categorization for black identity. That's the priority to our government.

Whatever, man.

 

[Cybit]

This is why I'm hesistant yet understand why everyone wants to label any gun violence as terrorist activity.

While true on one level, it also gives the government a wide berth of how to proactively go after groups just by slapping the label terrorist on them.

This is why the "mass shooting = terrorism" idea is really bad. Really, really bad. Because this is exactly the response one would get, except you'd get to throw the entire national security apparatus at it.

 

[SeanC]

But we know that the FBI is literally monitoring white supremacist/nationalist groups. Example:
http://amp.usatoday.com/story/98000602/

Ok, that's not necessarily what I'm saying or what others are saying, though. This is the first step to the FBI using a violent act to crack down on a movement like BLM, meanwhile nothing being done on the long and tired white supremacist end of things or that massive movement (and make no mistake, it's far larger and more storied than BLM, maybe too big for the FBI to even tackle)

Their intent is going to be to stop BLM. That's the endgame. Not a single white supremacists group, rally, or any other element that radicalized that person in the article you posted is brought up. It's just "another individual." It briefly mentions the Aryan Nations but is there a follow up to that? That's a group that's been around since the 70s, so how is that crack-down going?

 

[Akainu]

Lets ignore all these klansmen in the police though.

 

[Ludovico]

"if you've ever wondered how you'd have done during the civil rights movement, now is your time to find out."

All in.

Is there a toolbox or some type of crash course to quickly get up to speed on some of these issues? I've been a regular listener of DeRay on Pod Save the People, but I want to be able to communicate with others, concisely and irrefutably, that there IS a race problem here.

 

[Figboy79]

So nothing has changed. Motivated black people has always terrified the United States government. This is known. Still depresses the fuck out of me.

 

[Zubz]

I genuinely feel a bit sick reading this.

 

[the210]

So Black Lone Wolves aren't really Lone wolves?

Shouldn't the FBI be encouraging local law enforcement to tone down the violence and rhetoric against black people because they will create the monsters they think we already are?

 

[FyreWulff]

Are we saying that evidence doesn't exist? How would anyone know?

Black Separatists are already a known factor and are already monitored:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/black-separatist

Black Separatism also has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter and shouldn't be used as an excuse to use the FBI as a sledgehammer against it.

 

[IrishNinja]

All in.

Is there a toolbox or some type of crash course to quickly get up to speed on some of these issues? I've been a regular listener of DeRay on Pod Save the People, but I want to be able to communicate with others, concisely and irrefutably, that there IS a race problem here.

personally, I too follow deray, jamelle bouie & a lot of black activists on twitter (especially women), but further, you've really gotta get involved with your closest chapters of BLM & the like to do the work

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Trump cuts funding for groups fighting right wing extremism/violence, and now you have this shit popping up. Weird.

 

[Bleepey]

I wanna smack the shit out of Cornel West for arguing that the same shit would have happened under Hilary.

 

[AndyD]

Black Separtists are already a known factor and are already monitored:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/black-separatist

Black Separatism also has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter and shouldn't be used as an excuse to use the FBI as a sledgehammer against it.

This was my understanding as well. These people are taking advantage of the recent BLM movement to push their long existence agenda. So they have now been added to the list.
White supremacists are called out by race also and have long been seen as a terrorist threat by FBI.
There a timing and optics issue, but fundamentally it makes sense.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Obviously they are going to surveil BLM in search of extremist within their ranks.

I'm not saying it's right, I just meant they haven't named BLM an extremist group.

Problem is the government has a long history of not just monitoring groups like this but infiltrating them and doing everything to undermine their peaceful agenda. Like if they were just on violent members I'm OK. But they'll go in a group and use informants to CAUSE violence in an attempt to pin said violence on the group. Get what I'm saying?

They've done it at home an abroad. This is Cointelpro 101.

 

[Principate]

This was my understanding as well. These people are taking advantage of the recent BLM movement to push their long existence agenda. So they have now been added to the list.
White supremacists are called out by race also and have long been seen as a terrorist threat by FBI.
There a timing and optics issue, but fundamentally it makes sense.

Except they cut funding and delisted some of those white supremacist organisations a mere few months ago but decided to add this one.

This isn't a problem of "timing"

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Are the FBI using the Dallas shooting as an example?

Because they should be thanking their lucky stars that more minority veterans are not going postal in this political climate.

The FBI should hold police departments accountable for the behavior of their officers towards black Americans, and the resultant lack of justice when a tragedy occurs, and how all of this can possibly fuel black extremists in the first place. This, while ignoring all the KKK members that infiltrated police ranks.

But that is too logical though, so lets go backwards in civil rights for minorities.

It feels like the powers that be want to go back to the '50s or something.

And that is why I am leaving. Thanks for the free education.

 

[Akainu]

And people here actually wondered why Comey wasn't welcome at that HBCU ceremony.

Was there a thread?

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

Problem is the government has a long history of not just monitoring groups like this but infiltrating them and doing everything to undermine their peaceful agenda. Like if they were just on violent members I'm OK. But they'll go in a group and use informants to CAUSE violence in an attempt to pin said violence on the group. Get what I'm saying?

They've done it at home an abroad. This is Cointelpro 101.

So its ok for the government to spy on civil rights activists if they're "violent"? What do you count as violence? Breaking windows? Beating Nazis? Fighting back against police violence? How broadly do you think the state will interpret such a definition?

 

[Ludovico]

personally, I too follow deray, jamelle bouie & a lot of black activists on twitter (especially women), but further, you've really gotta get involved with your closest chapters of BLM & the like to do the work

Need to add Jamelle (good call), and also throwing out Shaun King for anyone else adding these guys.

I'm in Baton Rouge - ppprreeetttyyyy sure I can find a group here. Thanks!

 

[Instro]

Ok, that's not necessarily what I'm saying or what others are saying, though. This is the first step to the FBI using a violent act to crack down on a movement like BLM, meanwhile nothing being done on the long and tired white supremacist end of things or that massive movement (and make no mistake, it's far larger and more storied than BLM, maybe too big for the FBI to even tackle)

Their intent is going to be to stop BLM. That's the endgame. Not a single white supremacists group, rally, or any other element that radicalized that person in the article you posted is brought up. It's just "another individual." It briefly mentions the Aryan Nations but is there a follow up to that? That's a group that's been around since the 70s, so how is that crack-down going?

I don't discount that what you and others are saying is a definite possibility, and in recognize that there are historical implications with FBI involvement in black rights movements, however the document specifically references the BLA and Black Separatists in defining BIE and the kinds of people and violence they are attempting to warn about.

 

[Hermii]

Not to defend the FBI but this happened last year,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

I don’t know if it’s an isolated case or just the worst of its kind.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

Was there a thread?

When it cropped up, yes.