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The GAF POP |OT| of Diversity, Hidden Talent, and Stan Wars
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Phonomezer
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You may say you aren't coming from Madonna but your post has more shades of bitterness than fact.
I'm not a fan of Madonna's current studio vocal, though the 1-million-in-1-week selling MDNA is a vast improvement over the nasal crow we got served with Hard Candy.
She always gives a better delivery live, for some strange reason, she drops an octave and stops sounding like a kindergaten teacher.
MUMU, HOWEVER, has fallen furthest from the tree when it comes to transformation, a shadow of her former self; weight and voice.
Can we just briefly touch on that subject? While SALES EXTRAVAGANZA ADELE keeps it classy and low key, Mumu INSISTS on looking like a hooker in size 16.
Lambs say that Mumu's vocals remain unsurpassed in the industry, but her wig was snatched in 1999 when Xtincta landed on the scene, like it or not. Mumu can't give the Lambs a decent delivery of Hero these days, let alone We Belong Together (the end being famously mimed in absence of ABILITY).
Has Mumu even released anything since The Desperation of Mumu? I wouldn't be able to tell you.
What does Mumu have to offer when the voice is well and truly gone? Bit-parts in low budget films with an all-fat cast?
Time for Lambs to put themselves out to pasture.
Becoming the most successful artist in UK history last month wasn't an accomplishment?
Nobodies faves... hell, even TRYING to finish that sentence is an INSULT to YOUR FAVE.
How does that work? Will they be going to a stadium to watch the Girlie Show DVD? Madonna keeps her tours current and seldom performs songs we actually WANT to hear.
She isn't big on fan service. She wouldn't rerecord an overblown ballad from 15 years ago with worse vocals ala Mumu.
In conclusion, Mariah Carey is fat.
Nope. I wasn't coming for her. I was just pointing out how comical your comment was in light of recent events. I'm not really invested in the whole Mariah vs Madonna thing, perhaps because I wasn't really a Mariah fan until fairly recently and the whole 90s rivalry is sort of uninteresting to me, and possibly also because I tend to put pop stars who are known for being great entertainers and pop stars who are known for being great singers into different categories in my head and don't really bother comparing them except when they are egregiously awful (e.g. Rihanna) because their appeal to me is fundamentally different.
You seem rather invested in it judging from this post.
She's sold a million internationally in her first week? That's actually better than I'd thought. Are her second-week sales holding up internationally?
Mariah and Whitney were essentially tied between 1990 and 1993 and one could reasonably take either on the basis of what you preferred. Between 1994 - 1996, between Mariah becoming stronger vocally and Whitney's drug use and nodules catching up to her, Mariah was clearly the best. Then Whitney was clearly and inarguably better between 1997 and 1999, after Mariah's vocal nodules caught up with her. Celine was also better during that same time period; despite mediocre-at-times technique, she was simply in better voice than either Mariah or Whitney were. Christina, on the other hand, wouldn't even have an argument for 1999 - 2000, which were her best years and among Mariah's worst, short of 2008 - 2009 and 1997 - 1998. But yes, her 1995 - 1996 vocals in particular remain unsurpassed short of arguably mid-1980s Whitney Houston.
And despite the lipsyncing she's done in recent years, she has sung We Belong Together live multiple times, and is still among the best pop singers around despite her vocal decline.
... She already was the most successful artist in UK history in the only important way; in terms of total album sales. Congratulations on the additional #1 album, though.
And I forgot about it. =X
I wouldn't know what Madonna stans want to her from her that she's not giving, but looking at the setlist for, say, Sticky and Sweet tour, I see songs of hers that I like (Human Nature, Vogue, Like A Prayer, Frozen, Hung Up, Ray of Light, Borderline, etc.). Obviously when you have a discography as large as she does, there will always be fan favorites that will be left off, but it doesn't seem like she's going out of her way to avoid the greatest hits of her career.
You missed one:
You got a laugh out of me with that conclusion, though, so bravo for that.
Let's be honest with ourselves up in here:
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P.S. You guys realize we've logged 600 posts in 3 days. We're growing exponentially!
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P.S. You guys realize we've logged 600 posts in 3 days. We're growing exponentially!
This is how I feel.
Crumpet Trumpet
Banned
A few months LTTP on this one, but I searched the thread and I don't think anyone posted about it...
I think Pop-Gaf would really like it!
And since we're on this topic of discussion:
Some of my favorites:
Genesis
Circumambient
Skin
I think Pop-Gaf would really like it!
And since we're on this topic of discussion:
Popmatters said:
Some of my favorites:
Genesis
Circumambient
Skin
Leona Lewis
Banned
Mariah's curves may change with the weather, but all that matters is that her flaw-free countenance has remained flaw-free since the beginning of her career. Your aged and decrepit fave wishes she could be even momentarily mistaken for her 1990's counterpart.
So you can browse for shopped images all you like, but it won't change the fact that your fave has aged as well as a fried patty left out in the sun.
Genuflect and worship the Queen, who somehow had the inner strength to publicly utter Mandonna's name without suddenly going into an epileptic fit at its sheer ugliness.
Mariah's curves may change with the weather, but all that matters is that her flaw-free countenance has remained flaw-free since the beginning of her career. Your aged and decrepit fave wishes she could be even momentarily mistaken for her 1990's counterpart.
So you can browse for shopped images all you like, but it won't change the fact that your fave has aged as well as a fried patty left out in the sun.
Genuflect and worship the Queen, who somehow had the inner strength to publicly utter Mandonna's name without suddenly going into an epileptic fit at its sheer ugliness.
Mariah is the Dorian Gray of Pop Music. Her voice ages instead of her face.
Let's be honest with ourselves up in here:
Madonna>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
P.S. You guys realize we've logged 600 posts in 3 days. We're growing exponentially!
Wow 600 posts. (Although It's like the same few people )
Souldriver
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Closer is a goddamn masterpiece. It's the definition of a sensual song.
But I feel like it could've been more. It's only 3 minutes long, and the song structure isn't all that interesting.
But goddamn, how I love that song. <3
COULD YOUR FAVE? LIVE PERFORMANCES - Another new section dedicated to amazing live performances from our faves, both new and old. Link away!
Limit one per artist.
one per artist? I cant decide
Born This Way & Marry The Night
Hair
RIP Jamey
but I think this one wins
The Edge of Glory & Born This Way with bits of Government Hooker
but I see someone is still missing from the OP
Rocket Punch
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Rocket Punch
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I'm not surprised, tbh
Anyone remember this Xtina interview post VMA kiss with Brit and Madge? I still remember how pressed she was that no one even noticed Madonna kissed her too lol. And when she shaded Brit, MTV, Madonna and the MATM video as if her videos weren't a Kmart version of Britney's videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y33tmnvsaW8
The only time I ever didn't like her was that era tbh, she had a grudge against all the other gurls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y33tmnvsaW8
The only time I ever didn't like her was that era tbh, she had a grudge against all the other gurls
My favorite part of that kiss wasn't even the actual kiss. It was when the camera panned to Justin Timberlake in the audience. Guuuurrrrllll, to say he was PRESSED would be an understatement.
Hey! ONLY her dance videos (and to be fair, EVERY female pop act was trying to copy Brit's video game back then), but Christina pretty much carved her own lane when it came to videos for her ballads. Let's not forget the iconic videos for Beautiful and Fighter.
Phonomezer
Banned
What a dull and uninspired woman compared to this
I actually QUITE LIKE Pariah
Katy's new hair
I like it tbh.
It looks pretty
"[Performing with] Madonna... maybe ten years ago."
Xtincta's legacy is a lesson in humility.
Madonna's ability to reinvent her image is one of the best things about her.
What's the name of that song where in the music video she's in this like.... desert-y landscape, wearing a black dress / gown, and with shoulder-length or slightly longer black hair? I might be misremembering the elements somewhat, but that picture you just posted reminded me of it. It was a picture in a book I had when I was a child.
Yes, but how do you feel about Janice?
Thanks!
Oh, I forgot about this song. I love it. The humming part is *chills*
Also:
"This Song is said To Support illuminate,and illuminate is a secret society which is like a whole different religion,Islam and Christians have some conflicts with this society's ways of life and its rules and it is Said That illuminate is made to support dajjal (al-Masih ad-Dajjal (Arabic:المسيح الدجّال‎ al-Masīḥ ad-Dajjāl, Arabic for "the false messiah"),which will appear before dooms day and Jesus will land on earth with two angels and will find to eliminate dajjal with muslims warriors.
linklessmrheart2 19 minutes ago"
Youtube, you never disappoint me.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Where does one cross the line between re-invention and pandering? It seems to me like her new album/persona is an overt attempt to buy her way back to relevance; like she looked at a Billboard chart and said "ok send Nicki a check and get me some Gaga b-side dance tracks too."
To be perfectly honest, I haven't listened to anything off of her new album besides GMAYL, which I thought was, well, I think someone else said it best. So it didn't really inspire me to check out the rest of the album.
I meant more historically, since I don't really know about this last album. I can certainly see how it might look like that, though.
Easy.
It's re-invention when you're creating trends. Pandering when you're following.
Madonna used to be the undisputed queen of evolving into something that was entirely her own lane (or at least evolving into a pre-existing trend so boldly that she eclipsed whatever lessor was doing it before). "Frozen" is a great example of this.
Now her re-invention is just latching on to current trends a day late (dubstep breakdowns are so 2011) and not doing them well enough to really put her own stamp. Madonna's too busy riding in the "I can still do that!" lane to be in the lane that's rightfully hers: "I'm too good to do that."
I'm hopeful she has one more GROUNBREAKING album left in her. Even though her last two uninspired albums have set a bad precedent going into the future, she did manage to deliver Confessions in 2005. That was a reinvention 22 years into her career. I don't think any other artist can claim they were still doing something worthwhile after so many years in the game.
Gaymen
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SecretMoblin
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I would rant about this bullshit Madonna "reinvention" nonsense her fans (and, to a certain extent, music critics) have perpetuated for decades, but I'm too lazy.
I'll just watch.
I'll just watch.
Crumpet Trumpet
Banned
I wish there was a Kylie stan in here to scalp Confessions. It would be entertaining.
I would rant about this bullshit Madonna "reinvention" nonsense her fans (and, to a certain extent, music critics) have perpetuated for decades, but I'm too lazy.
I'll just watch.
I would appreciate a history lesson! Why is this bullshit and why shouldn't I be perpetuating it?
Who's the resident Kylie stan? I need a list of her best albums. I've only really listened to her singles.
All The Lovers has such a steamy video.
Rihanus only knows how to change her wig.
All The Lovers has such a steamy video.
Everything. Mad-onna has impacted culture several times in wildly different ways.
Rihanus only knows how to change her wig.
Phonomezer
Banned
People get so pressed at the mere mention of THE QUEEN
People get so pressed at the mere mention of THE QUEEN
My only favorite who has been called the Queen of anything
Phonomezer
Banned
Marius! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHydngA5C4E&ob=av2n
Sorry, but I think the title Queen of Rug Munching has been reserved for Belly Clarkson's coming out.
My only favorite who has been called the Queen of anything
Sorry, but I think the title Queen of Rug Munching has been reserved for Belly Clarkson's coming out.
Leona Lewis
Banned
My Top 10 (for Marius_)
- "Yesterday" (Leona Lewis)
- "Twister" (Mariah Carey)
- "Between the Bars" (Elliott Smith)
- "A Song for Mama" (Boyz II Men)
- "Over the Rainbow" (Eva Cassidy)
- "Black and Blue" (Gino Vannelli)
- "Black Crow" (Jamiroquai)
- "Hear My Call" (Jill Scott)
- "Take Away Your Love" (Justin Timberlake)
- "From the Bottom of My Broken Heart" (Britney Spears)
- "Yesterday" (Leona Lewis)
- "Twister" (Mariah Carey)
- "Between the Bars" (Elliott Smith)
- "A Song for Mama" (Boyz II Men)
- "Over the Rainbow" (Eva Cassidy)
- "Black and Blue" (Gino Vannelli)
- "Black Crow" (Jamiroquai)
- "Hear My Call" (Jill Scott)
- "Take Away Your Love" (Justin Timberlake)
- "From the Bottom of My Broken Heart" (Britney Spears)
... Wait, do you actually think Kelly's a lesbian or is this just you being silly? My gaydar with regards to women has always been nonexistent (except for, you know, the ones who go out of their way to make it obvious and even then I probably get false positives) so I have no idea.
Phonomezer
Banned
She's pretty butch. I've never seen her with a guy.
Then again, Sporty Spice had us ALL FOOLED.
Crumpet Trumpet
Banned
This is my favorite Kelly ballad. It sort of sounds like a poppy version of Radiohead's "Exit Music."
The lesbian rumors really went into overdrive after she got fat. Funny how that works :|
Your ability to work Rihanna shade into topics that have nothing to do with her mesmerizing. This truly is her world.
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