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[TheLaughingStock]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.39639b5d46e5

There was a time there when the Steele dossier's alleged, lewd tape of Donald Trump in a Moscow hotel room was Something We Didn't Talk About. Then James B. Comey made it not-so-taboo.

Now the broader idea that Russia has compromising information, or kompromat, on Trump has moved even more to the forefront. And it's all thanks to Trump's decision to hold a bilateral meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin — and then practically bow to him.

The thing about Trump's posture toward Putin isn't just that it's highly controversial and questionable given Russia's 2016 election interference; it's also totally counter to Trump's brand. This is the guy who wrote the “Art of the Deal” and, just days before his meeting with Putin, was wrecking shop at a NATO summit in hopes of getting fellow members to kick in more for the common defense.

Been seeing these what does Putin have on Trump articles pop up on my feed. Have the same question about it.

If you truly believe this crap, then what's your explanation for Obama's behavior? If these allegations are true, then he briefed Trump with classified information, attended his inauguration and gave a personal White House tour to an individual who was compromised. Afterwards, he went back to private life and takes shots at Trump indirectly from time to time.

Think about it. He must have known Donald Trump would be an enemy of America in the near-future if any of the existing investigations has evidence Putin has something on Pres. Trump. If Putin has an ounce of what people believe is hanging over Trump, then an American president has been making compromised decisions for nearly 2 years and the last guy Obama has rarely even mentioned Trump by name let alone sounded the alarm.

This conspiracy theory isn't passing the smell test for me, but want to know what other people think about the growing Trump-Putin kompromat question. Do you think this is true?

 

[Forthefuture]

"This is the guy who wrote the Art of the Deal".

I almost did a spit-take.

 

[KevinKeene]

Another thread defending Trump.

:/

 

[GrizzleBoy]

An investigation was started prior to the 2016 election and is still on going.

Are you saying that if Americans vote for a person who appears to be under a foreign entitys thumb (to the point of being an open Ukraine invasion denier) to be president, the existing president should cancel democracy until the investigation into the president elect and their people is over?

How would whatever it is you are proposing Obama should do work, especially considering this is America we are talking about.

 

[Azurro]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.39639b5d46e5



Been seeing these what does Putin have on Trump articles pop up on my feed. Have the same question about it.

If you truly believe this crap, then what's your explanation for Obama's behavior? If these allegations are true, then he briefed Trump with classified information, attended his inauguration and gave a personal White House tour to an individual who was compromised. Afterwards, he went back to private life and takes shots at Trump indirectly from time to time.

Think about it. He must have known Donald Trump would be an enemy of America in the near-future if any of the existing investigations has evidence Putin has something on Pres. Trump. If Putin has an ounce of what people believe is hanging over Trump, then an American president has been making compromised decisions for nearly 2 years and the last guy Obama has rarely even mentioned Trump by name let alone sounded the alarm.

This conspiracy theory isn't passing the smell test for me, but want to know what other people think about the growing Trump-Putin kompromat question. Do you think this is true?

That's a ridiculous way of thinking, that's basically, "if Trump is so bad, why didn't Obama do something about it?". Obama was basically powerless, like most presidents in their last few months in their term, just a lame duck with no power. Here's what should be passing your "sniff test": the guy that acted like an angry buffoon, making demands and big stands when meeting European leaders, has never and cannot take a stand to the contrary of anything Russia has ever done. He's basically taking it up the ass from the Russians and asking for more.

What do they have on him? Maybe it's not the peepee tape, but apparently a lot of his wealth is due to the Russians.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Another thread defending Trump.

:/

More like another Trump thread.

 

[DasPenguin]

Think about it.

Obviously you didn’t before you took that keyboard in your hands.

 

[Panda1]

Another thread defending Trump.

:/

Why would you get that from OP? Oh you ignored everything he wrote just to show how cool you are. Well done you are very cool.

 

[Saturnman]

This president seems stubborn/stupid enough to make bad decisions despite knowing better. And he does so because he doesn't pay a career-ending price for making bad decisions, because he has a core base of supporters who allow him to weather whatever sh*tstorm he created.

That latter point is important is it seems unlikely the Russians have dirt damaging enough to make the Trump base leave the president.

So, place me on the side that doesn't believe the kompromat theory. Just Trump gonna Trump.

 

[Cato]

This president seems stubborn/stupid enough to make bad decisions despite knowing better. And he does so because he doesn't pay a career-ending price for making bad decisions, because he has a core base of supporters who allow him to weather whatever sh*tstorm he created.

No, that is not why. That is naive and shows a lack of understanding.

The reason nothing anymore is career ending for Trump is the alt-left hysteria and MSM constant banging on him for the last 18 months.
Every day, every week there is some new world-ending thing he did.
Often is just something plain ridiculous, like when, a year ago, CNN spent a whole day showing how he had two scoops of icecream when everyone else had one. The whole day, the same picture of the icecream over and over.

At some stage, normal people, i.e. the 99% that are centre-left/centre-right just tune out and ignore any of these "newest extinction event triggered by Trump" stories.
Normal people are not even going to listen to the hysteria any more, they will shrug their shoulders, say, did he get three scoops of icecream this time? and then just forget about it and move on with their lives.

People now, normal people, just don't care any more.
Except for the 0.5% percent of people on the extreme alt-left or the 0.5% of the extreme Trump supporters. No one else cares any more.


Boy, wolf, a lot of crying. Crazy left and MSM created this. Finally a President that has more Teflon skin than Reagan.

 

[Saturnman]

Boy, wolf, a lot of crying. Crazy left and MSM created this. Finally a President that has more Teflon skin than Reagan.

Before Trump, there was Slick Willy, there was Teflon Reagan, like you said.

Some politicians are immune to normal rules of political gravity, but those rules still apply to most and normal politicians and public officials still pay the price. Even today.

Your explanation only partly explains the support Trump gets from his deplorables. That support can partially rub off on other Republican politicians on partisanship grounds but siding with the KKK or choosing a foreign adversary over America would probably fatal to a guy like McConnell or Ryan because they're not Trump and not well liked in the first place.

 

[Cato]

Before Trump, there was Slick Willy, there was Teflon Reagan, like you said.

Some politicians are immune to normal rules of political gravity, but those rules still apply to most and normal politicians and public officials still pay the price. Even today.

Your explanation only partly explains the support Trump gets from his deplorables. That support can partially rub off on other Republican politicians on partisanship grounds but siding with the KKK or choosing a foreign adversary over America would probably fatal to a guy like McConnell or Ryan because they're not Trump and not well liked in the first place.

Thanks for your reply. Very informative.

But to reiterate, I am not sure it is so much the support he has from his base, which is probably somewhat small anyway. (Please do not use the word deplorables). I reiterate that I think is is more that the mainstream 99% no longer care.

 

[Saturnman]

Thanks for your reply. Very informative.

But to reiterate, I am not sure it is so much the support he has from his base, which is probably somewhat small anyway. (Please do not use the word deplorables). I reiterate that I think is is more that the mainstream 99% no longer care.

Public apathy does not explain it because in the end a plurality still vote someone in and out. Someone who tunes out and is not part of the political process has no voice.

20 years ago, a president was shown to have had an affair with an intern. Democrats closed ranks and defended a serial adulterer who abused his position, despite the high number liberal women among the Democratic coalition. While the (religious) right went high and mighty and did everything it could to take this man down, legally and in the public sphere.

20 years later, a Republican president with much of the same adulterous streak and many many more character failings gets unconditional support from his party and his base while Democrats are outraged. 20 years is a long time, culture can change, but you know partisanship is the true constant here and explains completely how this role reversal is playing out.

A Democratic Trump banging porn stars, siege heiling and bending over for whatever foreign adversary would send the Right to the edge. Obama drove them nuts for less.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Remember how much of a non-story this was?

If it was Trump, the Senators would be out of their seats screaming "Treason! See?! We told you!"

 

[Saturnman]

Remember how much of a non-story this was?

If it was Trump, the Senators would be out of their seats screaming "Treason! See?! We told you!"

Probably because there was no history of Russian collusion/sympathy so it only passed as a frank statement about the game of politics rather than a long pattern of pandering to Russia.

Nice try though, even if clichė.

 

[Barsinister]

Probably because there was no history of Russian collusion/sympathy so it only passed as a frank statement about the game of politics rather than a long pattern of pandering to Russia.

Nice try though, even if clichė.

There's no long history now, either......possible....possible....possible.....

Sorry, I have an earworm.

 

[Pumpkin Seeds]

The logic of a kompromat for a guy like Trump doesn't add up. His enemies thought he was dead with grab them by the pussy. Didn't phase people.

Keep praying to that Steele dossier tho

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Probably because there was no history of Russian collusion/sympathy so it only passed as a frank statement about the game of politics rather than a long pattern of pandering to Russia.

Nice try though, even if clichė.

So just because it wasn't being thrust into the public's face, there was no concern? The 'game of politics' is okay when it's Obama but when it's Trump it's 'treasonous'.

This whole farce is falling apart. Indict Trump or don't. Whatever. Americans are realizing how contrived and stupid this all is. I'm just so amused by the situation.

 

[Saturnman]

So just because it wasn't being thrust into the public's face, there was no concern? The 'game of politics' is okay when it's Obama but when it's Trump it's 'treasonous'.

This whole farce is falling apart. Indict Trump or don't. Whatever. Americans are realizing how contrived and stupid this all is. I'm just so amused by the situation.

Context matters. Obama might have been a lot of things to his political opponents but a Kremlin lackey he was not credibly seen as such. There's actual talk of making the Helsinki summit interpreters testify, such is the distrust of Trump with anything related to Russia and all the secrecy surrounding the summit and press conference afterwards was a disaster.

And you can't just indict Trump. The balance of power is in his favor. But after November 2018, things could change so you might get your wish, especially the Mueller probe is devastating in his conclusions.

 

[Barsinister]

Let's cross our fingers and our toes to make sure it happens.

 

[AgentP]

Party over country...

 

[cryptoadam]

Another thread defending Trump.

:/

Go to Era you have a million threads bashing Trump. And plenty of Trump bashing going on here in this forum. You can make an anti Trump thread if you want no one will stop you.

Balance is fine it can't be only Trump bashing or this place becomes an echo chamber.

 

[KevinKeene]

Go to Era you have a million threads bashing Trump. And plenty of Trump bashing going on here in this forum. You can make an anti Trump thread if you want no one will stop you.

Balance is fine it can't be only Trump bashing or this place becomes an echo chamber.

"Balance" is not fine when it's about a Hitler on speed.

 

[cryptoadam]

"Balance" is not fine when it's about a Hitler on speed.

Trump is not Hitler.

But if you want to make a thread about Trump = Hitler go ahead. Its not like the other place where you will get banned for not towing the line.

Anyways I am getting sick of all this Trump talk at this point. Trump this Trump that there are other things going on in the world that don't involve the orange cheeto.

 

[infinitys_7th]

The media going all in on this drivel is going to hurt Democrats this year, just like the constant "Obama's a commie Muslim!1!!" shit wrecked the Tea Party.

 

[Panda1]

"Balance" is not fine when it's about a Hitler on speed.

Balanced calling people Hitler! PMSL
Did you get that from Podestas rule book? https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/40193#efmFMJFOZ
Compare your opponent to Adolf Hitler. This is your heavy artillery, for when your opponent is obviously right, and you are spectacularly wrong. Bring Hitler up subtly. Say, “That sounds suspiciously like something Adolf Hitler might say,” or “You certainly do remind me of Adolf Hitler.”

You are a disingenuous piece of work.

 

[Jamesways]

Thanks Obama!

 

[Tesseract]

don't think putin has anything on trump. people are living in a dream world, neo.

"Balance" is not fine when it's about a Hitler on speed.

no.

 

[NickFire]

The question only "grows" because the source of the article and a few other outlets keep pushing the narrative. Frankly, reviewing their argument with a shred of common sense defeats their argument. They cite his book / claim he is a great deal maker. Well, any great deal maker knows that when you are trying to get someone to do something who can just as easily say pound sand, attacking them when making the requests is counter-productive. I am not saying I thought Trump did a good job in his press conference, but let's keep some perspective.

Edit: And if you cannot see the difference that forceful statements can make to someone who relies on the US for their military defense, and someone who doesn't receive US aid on the scale of NATO, well you either don't belong negotiating a car loan or anything for that matter, or are blinded by partisan sunglasses.

 

[LordRaptor]

If you truly believe this crap, then what's your explanation for Obama's behavior?

Why did a man who had a not-insignificant portion of his own people questioning whether he was actually a citizen not directly and openly interfere with an election against a political rival?

Is that really what you're asking?

e:

Spoiler: the reason

Obama wasn't a jackass and had respect for the political process and faith in the system

 

[NickFire]

Why did a man who had a not-insignificant portion of his own people questioning whether he was actually a citizen not directly and openly interfere with an election against a political rival?

Is that really what you're asking?

Take the politics out of it. Obama and the rest of the country expected the election to be more of a coronation because of Trump. With such a high level of confidence (which almost everyone shared), he did not want to give any credence to claims by the expected loser that the election was rigged from the sitting government. And he was probably not in the least bit surprised by what Russia was up to either, and likely didn't see it as the threat people now claim that it was for campaign purposes (either to campaign on or not let someone else who is running against you). In other words, Obama acted like any normal person probably would have. While I disagree with him plenty, I think trying to blame him for not doing something is unfair. From his vantage point, his choices were do I get the country worked up over Russian's trolling my favored candidate who is going to win and give her opponent a new conspiracy theory to harp on, or do I sit back and stay quiet since it won't matter anyway?

Edit: I agree with you on why he didn't say anything. I just disagree that the prior conspiracy theory was relevant. I see it as he made a simple decision which almost anyone would have made.

 

[Arkage]

This thread should be titled "lets post completely irrelevant clips of Obama so we can keep our hate boner strong" Am I missing something? Wasn't this a thread about Trump being compromised by Russia?

As for whether Russia has material on Trump, it doesn't matter, since Trump is acting like that is the case regardless of whether it's true. If Russia had a pee pee tape I would imagine Trump acting no differently than he is now. And Obama is completely irrelevant to this conversation, but GG in derailing it right out of the gate with that lovely "both sides" OP. I love how that if Trump is a compromised Putin loving idiot, that it is still somehow Obama's fault.

This whole farce is falling apart.

Quick! Someone tell Rick Gates, Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulus, Michael Flynn, Richard Pinedo, Alex van der Zwaan, Konstantin Kilimnik, the 13 Russian nationals, the 3 Russian entities, and the 12 Russian military officers that it was all a farce!

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I think Trump is just a Putin admirer. He has a thing for authoritarians. He's praised Duterte and Erdogan too.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I am interested how Trump will get out of that situation. And he really will be able to do that...It would be...Damn! Even Fox News it seems not that happy. But let's wait for a week. (though I am not sure what Trump should have done in order for him not to be attacked by CNN and co. anyway lol)

Regarding comprising stuff. No idea. Probably there is, probably there isn't. Trump is trying to hard. It is to point that it sounds absurd.

But I think that even if GOP will impeach Trump, Pence won't diverse from the Trump's politics much. No reason for that. The thing is that from Western point of view and Russian point of view (depending on sides of course) Putin's happy face means different things.

P.S. though it is pretty absurd in Russia today with their claims like they want to revive Russian Empire and all the Orthodoxy stuff in the news. Though russians ask you to take Putin if you like that cool guy. And his oligarchs with him too.

Spoiler

 

[TheMikado]

I think Trump is just a Putin admirer. He has a thing for authoritarians. He's praised Duterte and Erdogan too.

And that's the crux of this issue. Whether Trump is compromised or whether he isn't is irrelevant.
The issue is him upholding the principles of America and its constitution. Including freedom of the press, etc.

When you start to broach the question of jailing reporters, multiple times, and unprompted you are no longer upholding the ideals of the US.

The dossier doesn't matter.
The Hack of the DNC doesn't matter.
Trump being compromised or not doesn't matter.

Destroying faith in our freedom of speech and press matter.
Destroying faith in our American institutions who have people on both sides of the aisle that have committed their lives to serving the country matters.
Having dark or shadow money from foreign agents or companies matters.

None of the conspiracy stuff matters. It's how well the principles of American freedoms and ideals are being upheld.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Obviously you didn’t before you took that keyboard in your hands.

Thought about it plenty. Pres. Obama giving his blessing to a compromised president-elect doesn't make any sense. It's a certainty that if Trump has been groomed by Russia for 30 years or Putin has all of these things hanging over Trump, then there's evidence of it and Obama was briefed about it in 2016.

This whole idea Obama wasn't a jackass and had respect for the political process is dumb. An enemy of America is running your gov't day in and day out if you believe Putin has something on Trump. He could've been stopped in his tracks by the last guy. The reason I think the last guy didn't stop him is because this conspiracy theory isn't true. Putin doesn't have something on Trump that would compel him to be an enemy of the country he leads. Time will tell I suppose.

 

[Saturnman]

Thought about it plenty. Pres. Obama giving his blessing to a compromised president-elect doesn't make any sense. It's a certainty that if Trump has been groomed by Russia for 30 years or Putin has all of these things hanging over Trump, then there's evidence of it and Obama was briefed about it in 2016.

This whole idea Obama wasn't a jackass and had respect for the political process is dumb. An enemy of America is running your gov't day in and day out if you believe Putin has something on Trump. He could've been stopped in his tracks by the last guy. The reason I think the last guy didn't stop him is because this conspiracy theory isn't true. Putin doesn't have something on Trump that would compel him to be an enemy of the country he leads. Time will tell I suppose.

The whole democratic system is based on orderly and peaceful transfer of power. If the guy still in office declares the results null and void and denies his successor victory, you have a potentially explosive situation, the kind that tears other countries apart.

They knew there was Russian interference but they could not really pin collusion on Trump at that point. Just like the Russians preferred Sanders over Clinton, Sanders was not necessarily colluding with the Ruskies. That's one major reason why Mueller is getting to the bottom of what happened for the last 14-16 months.

With a murky situation in 2016 and polls indicating Clinton was winning anyway, they decided to let it be and sort it out later. They guessed wrong, but it was the safer decision.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

The whole democratic system is based on orderly and peaceful transfer of power. If the guy still in office declares the results null and void and denies his successor victory, you have a potentially explosive situation, the kind that tears other countries apart.

They knew there was Russian interference but they could not really pin collusion on Trump at that point. Just like the Russians preferred Sanders over Clinton, Sanders was not necessarily colluding with the Ruskies. That's one major reason why Mueller is getting to the bottom of what happened for the last 14-16 months.

With a murky situation in 2016 and polls indicating Clinton was winning anyway, they decided to let it be and sort it out later. They guessed wrong, but it was the safer decision.

If you believe Putin has something on Trump that compels him to be an enemy of America then that's potentially a explosive situation of the kind that tears other countries apart. It'll tear much of the Western world apart. You may not have a credible political process that Obama supposedly cares so much about anymore. If you believe Trump is Putin's lapdog with kompromat hanging around his neck, then you may become an authoritarian regime by the time Putin gets tired of pulling Trump's strings.

Pres. Obama didn't have to declare the results null and void although he could've tried to stonewall.

At bare minimum, if you believe this conspiracy theory, then Obama simply could've elected not to give Trump a whiff of legitimacy at every opportunity while formally accepting the electoral results. If I recall it right, Obama personally congratulated Trump, made himself available if Trump needed anything, let the world know he wanted Trump to succeed and publicly handed over the keys as if Trump won fair and square. That doesn't sound like someone who suspected Trump was a puppet but just didn't have enough time to pin something on him. And since he left the WH, Obama hasn't said a word about Trump being this or that like many on the left.

Your rationale that Obama's decision was safer isn't making a whole lot of sense to me. It looks extremely dangerous if you believe Putin has something on Trump. Maybe fatal to your country.

 

[PkunkFury]

Obama did exactly what he should have.

Accusing Trump of wrongdoing is not his job. It's the FBI's. Just look at how this forum is treating the FBI/investigation for daring to suspect Trump. Obama making the same accusations would definitely have been outside of the bounds of the presidency. Obama had faith in the FBI, and based on recent events, it seems his faith was not misplaced

Remember, presidents in recent history have been careful not to make public accusations about their political opponents. Trump's tendancy to do so is an exception, not a rule

 

[Saturnman]

Your rationale that Obama's decision was safer isn't making a whole lot of sense to me. It looks extremely dangerous if you believe Putin has something on Trump. Maybe fatal to your country.

Belief is not enough. You need solid proof to make such a radical move in these deeply partisan and fake news times. Otherwise you escalate the situation and you help Russia sow discord.

There was alledgedly attempts to make a bipartisan announcement about Russia's involvement but it didn't pan out.

 

[Barsinister]

Trump is not Hitler.

But if you want to make a thread about Trump = Hitler go ahead. Its not like the other place where you will get banned for not towing the line.

Anyways I am getting sick of all this Trump talk at this point. Trump this Trump that there are other things going on in the world that don't involve the orange cheeto.

Makes me think of this:

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Belief is not enough. You need solid proof to make such a radical move in these deeply partisan and fake news times. Otherwise you escalate the situation and you help Russia sow discord.

There was alledgedly attempts to make a bipartisan announcement about Russia's involvement but it didn't pan out.

Belief is more than enough to let people know. The politically correct crowd clearly are not the brightest light bulbs in the room. They'd let their country be commanded by the enemy than have the audacity to make someone uncomfortable. They care more about the process than whether their country will even have a process in the future. If the roles were reversed and there was innuendo hanging over Obama...you think Trump wouldn't have told it like it is if he had some evidence? Dumb.

But I'm not convinced there's something to this junk. Donald Trump is not an enemy of America. He's not compromised. Pres. Obama isn't dumb enough to turn the country over to Putin's puppet who will soon betray the country that he leads. If that's the case, then the US in deep trouble that will be virtually impossible to come back from. Obama can have all the faith he wants to have in the FBI. Once you let a puppet assume the highest office your country has to offer...it's hard to get them out and it's impossible to control them.

 

[DasPenguin]

Belief is not enough. You need solid proof to make such a radical move in these deeply partisan and fake news times. Otherwise you escalate the situation and you help Russia sow discord.

There was alledgedly attempts to make a bipartisan announcement about Russia's involvement but it didn't pan out.

Fake news times... sigh. Very large portion of the news that certain individual calls fake are the exact opposite of that. Can’t believe one idiot chanting fake news on every single thing he doesn’t like has somehow found millions of followers who do the same now. Blind leading the blind, just substitute the blind with stupid.

 

[Texas Pride]

"Balance" is not fine when it's about a Hitler on speed.

People like you. Yes YOU. Are why nobody is taking your opinions or others like you seriously. You should be rightly mocked for saying something so ignorant. Hitler murdered millions of people and despite Trump being a complete fucking moron at times he's nothing like Hitler. It's astonishing what lack of self awareness you have making a comment like that. Maybe you and yours have more in common with Alex Jones than you realize.

 

[DiscoJer]

If Putin has something on Trump, then:

Why did we kill 100s of Russians in Syria? Syria is kinda like Russia's Israel.
Why are we selling arms to Ukraine? You know, where Russia in invading.
Why are we going hard after Iran, a key Russian ally? Iran is basically Russia's Saudi Arabia
Why is Trump pushing Nato members to actually fund their militaries and not just rely on the US as a deterrent?
Why is Trump against a pipeline from Russia to Germany? (Which besides enriching Russia, gives Russia a hold over German politics, once they become dependent on it)

Conversely, what exactly has he done to help Russia? You could say he's said mean things to NATO members. But again, since almost no one in NATO actually has a military anymore, because they won't spend money on it, it doesn't matter.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

If Putin has something on Trump, then:

Conversely, what exactly has he done to help Russia? You could say he's said mean things to NATO members. But again, since almost no one in NATO actually has a military anymore, because they won't spend money on it, it doesn't matter.

The funniest thing is some members of the Putin has something on Trump crowd thinks the FBI can stop a rogue POTUS that's an enemy of his country. If you believe Putin has something on Trump that will compel him betray you, then what do you think is going to happen when he's pushed into a corner? I mean pack it up. Stick a fork in it.

But of course Trump is not an enemy of the USA. No one in charge is insane enough to not sound the alarm at every opportunity that a Russian puppet is running the show.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

Damn, still trying to hang things on Obama.

 

[pramod]

I can't imagine how people have so much free time to be obsessing over this Trump-Russia stuff. Don't they have jobs? Families? Lives?

 

[way more]

I'm trying to find another reason for why Trump is such a little beta, soy boy bitch to Putin. There is kompormat and I bet it's not even news worthy but Trump just thinks it is.

They probably slipped him a Mickey and Trump thinks this happened.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Damn, still trying to hang things on Obama.

I mean if Obama didn't say a word about an enemy of America taking control of your government, then that's a pretty big deal considering the US in all likelihood will not recover from it. Irreparable damage to the country and there's no time machine to go back.

But I'm guessing Obama's people showed Trump top secret information 2 weeks before his inauguration according to this thread because there's no evidence he's Putin's bitch or whatever nonsense critics have in their heads. There's no point in telling Trump anything before he starts the job if he's compromised and been groomed by Russia for decades. Seems like common sense to me, but I know some people desperately want this conspiracy theory to be true because it allows them to sidestep why Trump won and how his election challenges what they fundamentally believe.