My incredibly well thought-out theory that Tom is an alien does not seem to be sweeping the internet as I'd hoped...think about it man. The Tolkien Estate is hiding the truth from us man.
I'd go along with that, I mean just look at him:My incredibly well thought-out theory that Tom is an alien does not seem to be sweeping the internet as I'd hoped...think about it man. The Tolkien Estate is hiding the truth from us man.
My god, it's beautiful...
Why does Gandalf keep any of the secrets he does? Because he's a dick, that's why.Interesting read. The only thing that doesn't quite make sense to me is, what would Gandalf's reasoning be for keeping it secret if he knew more than he was letting on?
It's pretty much my book of choice when travelling, along with The Count of Monte Cristo. So, I tend to be reading quite often, just random chapters here and there.Schattenjäger;42275457 said:Just started reading it again after 15 years since the last time - still love it
Anyone else start re-reading ?
Tomorrow,When does the new trailer come out?
It's already suffered a takedown but the Comic-Con footage seems to have leaked online?
fuck i didnt knowIt's already suffered a takedown but the Comic-Con footage seems to have leaked online? Screencaps here:
Major Spoilers.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.358039247610671.85422.139738612774070&type=3
One thing's for sure, Smaug's appearance will not be leaked.Shouldn't be a surprise that one of the most anticipated movies of ALL TIME is getting 1000 times more scrutiny. Some interns probably have a script to check "Hobbit trailer leaked" in google every minute.
It's already suffered a takedown but the Comic-Con footage seems to have leaked online? Screencaps here:
Major Spoilers.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.358039247610671.85422.139738612774070&type=3
Via OneRing.Net
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/09/18/61941-alternate-production-video-8-reveals-con-footage/
Edmond Dantès;42280083 said:One thing's for sure, Smaug's appearance will not be leaked.
Not gonna watch until after the trailer tomorrow
Please don't post pics here guise.
They'll tease his appearance, his voice certainly, but he won't be revealed in all his magnificence until we're sat in the theater in 2013 for the first time.It's a shame, though, that with there being a whole Smaug Movie now, it'll be basically impossible that he won't be in the trailers.
It's already suffered a takedown but the Comic-Con footage seems to have leaked online? Screencaps here:
Major Spoilers.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.358039247610671.85422.139738612774070&type=3
Via OneRing.Net
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/09/18/61941-alternate-production-video-8-reveals-con-footage/
Itll be great to see another culture from Middle-earth and their unique architecture.Stephan Fry andboth look great. I cannot wait to see Lake-Town fully realized on screen.Luke Evans
Edmond Dantès;42280083 said:One thing's for sure, Smaug's appearance will not be leaked.
Edmond Dantès;42280685 said:It‘ll be great to see another culture from Middle-earth and their unique architecture.
Indeed, but LOTR fared differently, no one from the general public had any idea what the Balrog looked like, save his foot which was in a trailer.Seem to recall people saying that about Anakin in ep 3, and:
The fried Anakin was leaked about a year before the movie came out. Maybe earlier, the timeline is a bit dirty.
Edmond Dantès;42281252 said:Indeed, but LOTR fared differently, no one from the general public had any idea what the Balrog looked like, save his foot which was in a trailer.
My goodness this movie looks beautiful.
The "power rankings" in Tolkien go like this:
At the top is Illuvatar (or Eru). Basically god.
Below him are the Ainur. His angels. They're unofficially separated in two groups. The Valar (archangels) and the Maiar (lesser angels) and are usually associated with a Vala. Morgoth (or Melkor as is his proper name) was a Vala. Sauron was a Maia. The wizards, called Istari, were Maiar sent to Middle Earth by the Valar to help the Children of Illuvatar (humans and elves, dwarves are a special case) combat Sauron (a Maiar himself). Why five of them against one? Because they were strictly forbiden by the Valar to directly use their powers and were ony to act as aides and counselors to the mortal races.
So Gandalf (his name among the uncultured northeners, Mithrandir for the higher born ones and Olorin for the High Elves and the Ainur) and the others are incarnations of lesser angels basically. They are made of flesh, they can be hurt and they can take pleasure in things like food and drink and weed, but they do not age and they cannot die. When the balrog mortally wounded Gandalf at Khazad Dum, Manwe (the Lord of the Valar) basically sent him back to finish his work. They know who they are and at least Gandalf remembers everything. Saruman too, but chose to pervert his mission into one of control and subjugation. Radagast (the brown wizard) went native and couldn't give a shit about this whole thing and the blue wizards (Atanar and Pallando) went into the east and no one ever heard of them again.
Edmond Dantès;42262548 said:The Wizards (Istari) are Ainu of Maiar (equivalent of lesser angels) rank. The Ainu are spirits that Eru Iluvatar (God in Tolkien's legendarium) created. The very first beings. After the creation of Arda the Valar (most powerful of the Ainu, equivalent of the Archangels) descended into Arda to shape it into something habitable for the coming of the Children of Iluvatar (elves, men; dwarves were regarded as stepchildren of Eru). The Valar and Maiar could thus take on the whatever form they deemed fit for whatever purpose. The likes of the Valar could even take on the forms of mountains etc.
However, if a body which they took was destroyed it would become increasingly difficult to create a new one to house themselves as Sauron eventually found out. In some cases they were bound to certain bodies by Eru until those bodies were destroyed (Melkor in his Dark Lord Visage for example).
The Wizard's 'old man' raiment was chosen for them by the Valar. The point was to restrict their powers and for them to not appear to powerful to the inhabitants of Middle-earth in the Third Age. They were sages, guides sent to aid the free peoples of Middle-earth. Not warriors sent to take on Sauron directly with brute force.
Sauron on the other hand was never restricted in this regard and his original raiment was of a very beautiful form. At the height of his power with his original body that he had crafted for himself, which was capable of shape shifting (snake, werewolf, bat) and with the One Ring, he was more powerful than his master (Melkor) at his lowest at the end of the First Age. That in itself is quite something as Melkor was second only to god at one point in time.
The Valar were far beyond the Maiar in terms of inherent might and power. It is said that even the most powerful of the Maiar (including Gandalf and Eönwë) would have succumbed to the will of the One Ring before the Crack of Doom just as Frodo did and Isildur before him and the elves would have shared the same fate. The Valar would have had no such problem. The One Ring would have no effect on them, as it was created by a lesser being than them.
That's one reason why some people theorise that Tom Bombadil may have been a Valar, not just a mere Maiar. But that's a whole nother complicated issue.
And to your final point, yes, they knew exactly who they were and what their purpose was. They knew their original names, which they used in Valinor and they most likely spoke to each other in Valarin, the language of the Valar. To quote Pengolodh "The making of a lambe [language] is the chief character of an Incarnate. The Valar, having arrayed them in this manner, would inevitably during their long sojourn in Arda have made a lambe for themselves"
The original names of the five wizards.
Saruman was known as Curumo.
Gandalf was known as Olorin.
Radagast was known as Aiwendil.
Alatar was known as Morinehtar.
Pallando was known as Rómestámo.
It's already suffered a takedown but the Comic-Con footage seems to have leaked online? Screencaps here:
Major Spoilers.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.358039247610671.85422.139738612774070&type=3
Via OneRing.Net
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/09/18/61941-alternate-production-video-8-reveals-con-footage/
So much blue and orange in those shots, holy hell.
So much blue and orange in those shots, holy hell.
He's looking buff, has some nice tricep development going on there. ;pholy shit at gollum
Feels maybe a bit too saturated and, in turn, 'fantasy-like'. Maybe 3D glasses will be good for something for once hah.
They've said that the movie uses extra-saturated colors to account for the 3D glasses effect.