Holy Order Sol
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Are Hero Edition and Final Edition the same thing? I'm a bit confused here.
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The King Of Fighters XIII + Steam Edition |OT| Now on Steam with Improved Netcode!
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Are Hero Edition and Final Edition the same thing? I'm a bit confused here.
Tizoc
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That's kind of my hope as well, should 02 UM get released.
Err how so? KoF XIII is like KoF 02 HD Remix with a few elements from NGBC.
Final may be after Hero. I just remember there was a Chinese version that gave Krauser a good proper nerfing and some other small changes.
HD mode means your character can get Hokuto-ed out, meter gain works as a comeback mechanic, poor zoning compared to other KOFs. Some of this is personal preference, but it de-emphasizes traditional KOF fundamentals.
TheFightingFish
Member
Yeah, so I picked this up. Probably kinda dumb of me to do, as for a casual gamer you usually need player count to get matches. But SFxT was just not doing it for me (traded it in for the price of a new KOFXIII on Amazon) and I need some fighter to tide me over until TTT2. I'll probably get my monies worth still though, I don't mind getting creamed online and it will see some local play for sure.
The thing with SFxT was not actually anything wrong with the game itself, but it was honestly just too similar to SFIV, which is the first fighter that I've ever really played. Since I've never played any other fighters all that I really felt with SFxT was "man, this makes me want to try to learn a real Tekken game." Even with all the changed mechanics there was just still too much SFIV in it, which I enjoy, but there are so many other games to check out and learn. So I'll be giving KOF XIII a shot as soon as the order gets in.
On the plus side there seems to be some really good wikis on this game online, both the SRK and DreamCancel ones were loaded with system info, character info and videos for newcomers. Been checking out some match videos as well (FR XV mostly) and I'm really liking what I see. The gameplay might not click with me, but I love the style already.
The thing with SFxT was not actually anything wrong with the game itself, but it was honestly just too similar to SFIV, which is the first fighter that I've ever really played. Since I've never played any other fighters all that I really felt with SFxT was "man, this makes me want to try to learn a real Tekken game." Even with all the changed mechanics there was just still too much SFIV in it, which I enjoy, but there are so many other games to check out and learn. So I'll be giving KOF XIII a shot as soon as the order gets in.
On the plus side there seems to be some really good wikis on this game online, both the SRK and DreamCancel ones were loaded with system info, character info and videos for newcomers. Been checking out some match videos as well (FR XV mostly) and I'm really liking what I see. The gameplay might not click with me, but I love the style already.
Define fixed?
If you mean sound issue. That's this Tuesday.
If you had/have lag, then idk what to tell ya since this is on par/better than SF4, but still not on the level of Soul Calibur 5 for net code.
EDIT: I'm confused, are you asking about the kof13 netcode or the sfxt netcode?
If you're asking about the kof13 netcode the answer is no. They fixed the connection reporting so it's more accurate now but they didn't improve the netcode itself. It's pretty subpar IMO, people I play other games with no real issues are unplayable in this game, feels way different online vs off.
If you're asking about the kof13 netcode the answer is no. They fixed the connection reporting so it's more accurate now but they didn't improve the netcode itself. It's pretty subpar IMO, people I play other games with no real issues are unplayable in this game, feels way different online vs off.
I mostly answered this above but I wouldn't really call it playable, but I understand that's purely subjective. There's not really any good reason to use delay based netcode in this game, and then to have it be worse than SF4 is pretty bad. If you have any chance of playing it offline on a somewhat regular basis I wouldn't bother playing online at all.
EDIT: To clarify I guess you could say it's "playable" in that with good connections there aren't really significant lag spikes, etc but the input delay is so bad that the game feels entirely different than when you play offline.
My bad. I forgot which thread I was in. Work + GAF = WTF is going on sometimes.
If you can find peeps within your area of the USA/world, you can get some solid matches online.
From what I heard Hero didn't really change much except a few new levels and no loading times. Final Edition had some major balance changes though.
crimzonflame
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Fuck it. Im just gonna pick a top tier. Ex. Kyo, Ex Iori, Shen is the new team.
Terareflection
Member
EX Iori is top? I've always heard that regular is better, and in tournaments, it never seemed like EX Iori did much work.
...Just go Mr. Karate.
They're both pretty good. Justius did really well with Ex Iori at MLG.
Southtown Arcade is streaming a re-cast of their KOFXIII Ranbat from February: http://www.twitch.tv/iplaywinner
Local Battles is also streaming some KOFXIII from their Drive Cancel (An east coast KOFXIII group.) sessions: http://www.twitch.tv/localbattles
Team Khaos is streaming a KOFXII tournament as well: http://www.twitch.tv/teamkhaos
Local Battles is also streaming some KOFXIII from their Drive Cancel (An east coast KOFXIII group.) sessions: http://www.twitch.tv/localbattles
Team Khaos is streaming a KOFXII tournament as well: http://www.twitch.tv/teamkhaos
Finally some high level Japanese play, via Madman's Cafe:
http://www.mmcafe.com/nico.html#http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17443332
http://www.mmcafe.com/nico.html#http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17478970
Sweet Robert and Athena HD combos.
And we finally get to see Takuma's stun combo again, haven't seen one of these in a match since the JP arcade vids.
http://www.mmcafe.com/nico.html#http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17443332
http://www.mmcafe.com/nico.html#http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17478970
Sweet Robert and Athena HD combos.
And we finally get to see Takuma's stun combo again, haven't seen one of these in a match since the JP arcade vids.
Augemitbutter
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finally some good straming again.
Holy Order Sol
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Holy Order Sol
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It's on, and actually is supposed to be a FT10 if I'm not mistaken.
Terareflection
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A little patience goes a long way. That said, I am pretty free to Clarks worth a damn.
Augemitbutter
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hey, i wish i could find more people online. nobody is joining anymore around my area.
crimzonflame
Member
Couldnt find anyone yesterday. Luckily I have locals to play. Such a shame that the online is atrocious. This would be so damn popular if the online was at least decent.
Terareflection
Member
I was able to find matches online as well, from early and late afternoon to after midnight. I think it just a matter going into practice mode AND looking for matches manually.
I am on PS3, btw.
I am on PS3, btw.
Finding matches is ok for me during normal hours. Finding good players with decent connections is rough though.
It's probably going to get a lot worse this week though, I thnk Skullgirls is going to eat up some KOF players, SFxTK and BBCSEX did for a short whole, but folks came back.
It's probably going to get a lot worse this week though, I thnk Skullgirls is going to eat up some KOF players, SFxTK and BBCSEX did for a short whole, but folks came back.
Douche McBaggins The 3rd
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With skill son.
Terareflection
Member
http://wiki.shoryuken.com/The_King_of_Fighters_XIII
You will find all this and more on the front page. Seriously, I think I posted this like three times in the last few pages.
Do many people know that SRK has a wiki?
crimzonflame
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Dreamcancel's is more complete.
DR2K
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Doesn't really help. I'm looking more for general tips.
http://youtu.be/Ye3KVgI1LvU
It was made for kof12 but the things explained are universal for KOF
Also James Chen sits down with Kane317 to explain KOF13 and the systems
http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.p...mes_Chen's_Introductory_KOF_XIII_Video_Series
It was made for kof12 but the things explained are universal for KOF
Also James Chen sits down with Kane317 to explain KOF13 and the systems
http://dreamcancel.com/wiki/index.p...mes_Chen's_Introductory_KOF_XIII_Video_Series
Terareflection
Member
Yeah, I guess. I am just complaining about the fact that people asking for basic things don't read the first post.
No offense, but I don't think you have looked at the wiki for any decent amount of time. It can probably answer you questions faster and easier than we can. Especially considering that I still don't know what you need help with.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Beat his 3 characters before he does yours.
Hit buttons, do damage to them.
How general is general? Be a little more specific in what you are having a hard time grasping. The flow of combat? Applying pressure? Mix ups? Zoning? The hopping mechanics? How to use your meter correctly? HD combos? Team synergy?
I'm still in the mindset that your first character should be able to build meter effectively, your second character should be well balanced, and your third should be your best character who hits like a truck if you have meter, thus allowing for comebacks.
Almost everyone builds meter effectively in XIII, even Vice, who traditionally is the worst point character. Also, everyone but Mai hits like a truck, though some chars really excel at doing it with less, that often makes those chars just as dangerous in the earlier slots.
The game does get less fun when the chance of 100% combos comes into play, you have to get much more cautious then I like to play. This is the reason 98 gets so much love I think, despite the game having its own serious problems. (no KOF doesn't have serious problem- they just change heavily from game to game)
Terareflection
Member
Honestly, I think alstein is right, the battery/second/anchor, is really just a way to get new players started in picking characters.
I still think though your anchor should be your best character. If only for the reason of you get exposed to the other persons play style more, what they are fishing for, how often they jump, throw, etc. That way you can act more accordingly with your best character and win/form comebacks.
Plus, if you are able to beat people with your less than best character, it leaves you even with more dangerous options should they happen to best your other two with their final character. Now you have knowledge of their final, while they go in blind to yours.
Maybe battery/2nd isn't important, but I'm adamant about last being best.
Traditionally, you wanted your 2nd character to be best, though the warped damage/meter of KOF13 may have changed that to point.
there's too much chance of getting Hokuto-ed out in KOF13 to risk having your best char gone in 5 seconds. Point characters last longer, and if you take out 2 chars with your point that's a huge advantage, you can actually take risks with your second character.
With my later characters, I want to be able to take HD combos away from my opponent if they can do them, so I pick chars I can grind the game to a halt with, it's boring, but KOFXIII once HD comes into play can get kinda boring.
The reason I say 2nd character in older KOF, is because you will have to play with that character from ahead and behind. It's really a minor detail though, and again is matchup and meteruse-specific.
there's too much chance of getting Hokuto-ed out in KOF13 to risk having your best char gone in 5 seconds. Point characters last longer, and if you take out 2 chars with your point that's a huge advantage, you can actually take risks with your second character.
With my later characters, I want to be able to take HD combos away from my opponent if they can do them, so I pick chars I can grind the game to a halt with, it's boring, but KOFXIII once HD comes into play can get kinda boring.
The reason I say 2nd character in older KOF, is because you will have to play with that character from ahead and behind. It's really a minor detail though, and again is matchup and meteruse-specific.
Holy Order Sol
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What I was taught other than the previously mentioned stuff:
- fireball characters are best used on point
- anchor should be a well-rounded character with the ability to 100%, preferably even with less than 5 supers
- avoid grapplers not named Vice and other characters with really bad match-ups as anchors if you can
- characters with really meter-efficient HD combos (think 70 to 80% for 1 or 2 supers, or even Yuri) make great second characters
- fireball characters are best used on point
- anchor should be a well-rounded character with the ability to 100%, preferably even with less than 5 supers
- avoid grapplers not named Vice and other characters with really bad match-ups as anchors if you can
- characters with really meter-efficient HD combos (think 70 to 80% for 1 or 2 supers, or even Yuri) make great second characters
Well played my first online matches and was beaten but not in a bad way. I guess Tekken scared me off from playing anything online since almost all the matches would result in a juggle and I would die before hitting the ground. My execution is just plain sloppy (wasting meter by mistake). I found online very playable and when I lost , I didn't feel like it was a cheap loss. The player was just better then me. Just wish I could even simple combos effectively. I didn't find the netcode that bad. Had just a slight hickup in the first round of the first match and after that it was fine. I just wondering if the bad netcode is overhyped due to the lack of players online.
Terareflection
Member
Try timing your inputs with the hit spark and you should be able to do anything.
Ha im using King,Clark and Yuri.
So i took your advice well before even reading it. :3
shaowebb
Member
Hurray! I stuck with Vice myself and was wondering if it was still cool to anchor with her. Though I just noticed how good Shen Woo seems to be at Anchor. Is this a thing people do a lot?
Holy Order Sol
Member
Shen as anchor is very common indeed. Vice's ability to land her HD combo from basically anything is what sets her apart from other grapplers in that regard.
Fersis said:
Replace Yuri with EX Kyo and you have my current team.
Terareflection
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Yes, though Vice is fine as an Anchor if you can consistently HCF+BD after successful air-to-airs. Look up Isiah's Vice on youtube.