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[Lionel Richie]

It's funny because this exists in a capitalist world.

People think of corporations like fucking friends. People have fucking console wars.

It's even funnier you say that as if blind obedient following wasn't a thing until capitalism came around.

 

[xxracerxx]

It will be good to have separate threads for the game and the creator background itself. Maybe a link on OTs to each other, in case someone is interested to dig into one or the other. It will be cool to have a thread just for the game itself, and for sure this thread is not that.

If the narrative is tied directly to the writer's viewpoints, that is discussing the game itself.

 

[old manatee]

goddamn I never went from day one to day never so fast in my life. People just have to run their ignorant mouths on Twitter.

 

[borges]

This is the announcement thread. Once the OT is out in all likelyhood a separate thread will be made to discuss this assuming there's anything worth discussing at that point in the future

Thats sounds ok. Anyway, as someone like me that is not interested at all who is or what thinks the creator, this announcement thread is about lot of things, and very little about announcement itself.

 

[HStallion]

The Last Night |OT| Its About Ethics in Dystopian Cyberpunk Futures

 

[borges]

If the narrative is tied directly to the writer's viewpoints, that is discussing the game itself.

I think thats fair, but it would be cool then to discuss that on gaming story context. 99% of messages on this thread are more personal, directed to creator itself.

 

[sqwarlock]

Is it....secretly throwing shade at Nintendo or what?

Shade? No, just using an easily identifiable "seal of quality" to get their point across.

 

[cubicle47b]

The paradox of work is that many people hate their jobs, but they are considerably more miserable doing nothing.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/07/world-without-work/395294/

It's been shown that people who retire earlier die earlier. People need purpose in their life. Work, like it or not, gives people purpose. When we transition to a society where the work is mostly done by robots it will not be an easy transition even if our basic needs (universal basic income - which is absolutely required) are met.

 

[ChazGW7]

In short: the creator of the game appears to be a misogynist GamerGater and, at least initially, the plan for the story of the game was to be about his misogynist beliefs. Or in more detail, the controversy thus far is basically this:









And no, contrary to the PR campaign they're running, there's no real indication they've actually changed recently at all:

Oh wow, thank you. I wasn't expecting someone had gone through all that effort to pick out certain posts. Time for my to do some reading, again thank you, very kind of you for those who can't do all the searching. Now I feel lazy.

Thanks to everyone else giving me TLR's too. This disappoints me, game looked like it had lots of potential.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Is it....secretly throwing shade at Nintendo or what?

No.

 

[Complicated]

Too bad he's a terrible person. It looked pretty cool, but no go for me. I'm enjoying the music from the trailer by Lorn. Hopefully he's not a terrible person as well. Unfortunate that Microsoft gave them the exposure. They should definitely distance themselves from it as much as possible.

 

[border]

We already live in a crass world where people increasingly define themselves by the media they consume. #gamer

I have absolutely no problem imagining a world in which this issue is exacerbated by Universal Basic Income. While this guy is probably a jerk, I don't think you're an asshole just because you see that UBI might have some very huge downsides.

 

[CornBurrito]

It's even funnier you say that as if blind obedient following wasn't a thing until capitalism came around.

I didn't mean it like that.

 

[Fjordson]

So why do people buy R* games? Everybody knows working conditions are shit.

That's a valid question / discussion (one that was had on this forum recently) though I'd say that everyone definitely doesn't know that. Maybe on GAF, but not the gaming public at large.

But it's also fairly different. If the plot of Red Dead 2 is somehow about the justification of overworking employees in the pursuit of making video games then it'll probably garner similar outcry.

The problem with The Last Night is that it's a story-focused game with a narrative that seems to be directly related to this guy's awful views.

It will be good to have separate threads for the game and the creator background itself. Maybe a link on OTs to each other, in case someone is interested to dig into one or the other. It will be cool to have a thread just for the game itself, and for sure this thread is not that.

The creator's backround and the actual game seemed to be joined at the hip, though.

 

[Chrisdk]

I'm interested. Will wait for reviews. I'm not gonna boycott a game just because the man behind made some controversial tweets in 2014. If he has changed and the game doesn't reflect his old views then i don't see why i should avoid the game.

 

[CornBurrito]

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/07/world-without-work/395294/

It's been shown that people who retire earlier die earlier. People need purpose in their life. Work, like it or not, gives people purpose. When we transition to a society where the work is mostly done by robots it will not be an easy transition even if our basic needs (universal basic income - which is absolutely required) are met.

Jobs != Work.

Work != Jobs.

Jobs may go, but humans can still find work in the creative fields even if they have no chance to profit off those. Or even purposefully inefficient tasks like managing a community garden.

 

[sqwarlock]

Just noticed that one of the stores in the trailer is called "Sea Folks". Feels like a jab at gender pronouns. Might be a stretch, but considering the themes he's talked about elsewhere...

 

[Sianos]

This is hilarious.

Okay yeah, when the synopsis is written in a more straightforward language it's harder to give the benefit of the doubt that just because the Aesthetics are on point the story must be at least somewhat clever.

The writer, Madquills, says to read this Medium post from last year for some clarity, so I'll do so when I get home.

EDIT: oh geez this is NSFW, what a shitshow

 

[cubicle47b]

Jobs != Work.

Work != Jobs.

Jobs may go, but humans can still find work in the creative fields even if they have no chance to profit off those. Or even purposefully inefficient tasks like managing a community garden.

Yeah, I agree. It just won't be an easy transition.

 

[jstripes]

Why is it these right wingers' idea of "damage control" is to dig yourself in deeper?

I can't imagine what it would have been like if Twitter was around when Earthworm Jim was being developed.

 

[Dan-o]

I LOLed.
https://twitter.com/petercoffin/status/874115635462189056
@petercoffin: Diaperpunk - fake reactionary cyberpunk by people who are upset because they like the things cyberpunk is against

 

[Ran rp]

Just noticed that one of the stores in the trailer is called "Sea Folks". Feels like a jab at gender pronouns. Might be a stretch, but considering the themes he's talked about elsewhere...

Probably not.

 

[Ran rp]

One thing I am curious about outside of the GG mess is if the game will actually look like the trailer in real time or if it's just a cinematic.

 

[jay]

Finally, art brave enough to confront the a dismal future where humans don't starve to death.

 

[borges]

Not going to discuss this much further, but think very carefully about that "I dont buy something if the creator ideology sucks".

Just think about this:

Picasso was communist and openly in favor of dictatorship-like governments. Guernica is one of the most impressive art creations of XX century.

Marlon Brando raped on camera an actress on Last Tango On Paris. He perform one the most incredible, if not the best of all times acting on God Father, as Vito Corleone.

Alfred Hitchcock commited multiple sexual assault. Its the creator of Psicosis, one of the most important, critically acclaimed movies of last century. A fundamental movie for any film maker.


I could make a 100 page list of artists that made horrible things or expressed things I could never ever be agree with.
At some point in life I learned that is better to separate artist creation from creation itself. I mean, should you skipped The God Father If you would know what Marlon Brando did?

 

[ShinoguTakeruKoeru]

It's very funny how the writer stopped posting in the thread when the GG news came out. He ain't shit for that.

I better not see any gaming outlets skip over this. Everyone should be grilling these guys right now.

Yeah, that's fine with me.

Get some interviews with the devs, let them defend themselves and at least, if they say things are different now, show us.

At the least, Rob from Waypoint iirc has an interview lined up with somebody who worked on this game, so hopefully that's an interesting talk. They very unfortunately brushed super-quickly past any deep chatter about the game in the Microsoft/EA Waypoint Radio podcast from yesterday, but I dunno how much of that is also journalistic professionalism about not going just with your gut on a story like this, wanting the developers' angle on this.

I want to say that I'm disappointed that outlets aren't calling the devs out on this, but it's E3 week and people are super-busy as is. Maybe next week there'll be more time and space to talk about this. It seems quite crucial.

 

[Makai]

Just noticed that one of the stores in the trailer is called "Sea Folks". Feels like a jab at gender pronouns. Might be a stretch, but considering the themes he's talked about elsewhere...

omg. no that's definitely it.

 

[Ran rp]

I mean, should you skipped The God Father If you would know what Marlon Brando did?

If I feel like it. Why would that bother you?

 

[jay]

Not going to discuss this much further, but think very carefully about that "I dont buy something if the creator ideology sucks".

Just think about this:

Picasso was communist and openly in favor of dictatorship-like governments. Guernica is one of the most impressive art creations of XX century.

Marlon Brando raped on camera an actress on Last Tango On Paris. He perform one the most incredible, if not the best of all times acting on God Father, as Vito Corleone.

Alfred Hitchcock commited multiple sexual assault. Its the creator of Psicosis, one of the most important, critically acclaimed movies of last century. A fundamental movie for any film maker.


I could make a 100 page list of artists that made horrible things or expressed things I could never ever be agree with.
At some point in life I learned that is better to separate artist creation from creation itself. I mean, should you skipped The God Father If you would know what Marlon Brando did?

Why do you hate the free market?

 

[Alucrid]

Not going to discuss this much further, but think very carefully about that "I dont buy something if the creator ideology sucks".

Just think about this:

Picasso was communist and openly in favor of dictatorship-like governments. Guernica is one of the most impressive art creations of XX century.

Marlon Brando raped on camera an actress on Last Tango On Paris. He perform one the most incredible, if not the best of all times acting on God Father, as Vito Corleone.

Alfred Hitchcock commited multiple sexual assault. Its the creator of Psicosis, one of the most important, critically acclaimed movies of last century. A fundamental movie for any film maker.


I could make a 100 page list of artists that made horrible things or expressed things I could never ever be agree with.
At some point in life I learned that is better to separate artist creation from creation itself. I mean, should you skipped The God Father If you would know what Marlon Brando did?

wow thanks for that new interesting take. but i think someone else mentioned picasso earlier. although he came off as real standoffish and dismissive. oh wait

lol at people not buying it because what creator believes. im libertarian, so then i would have avoid all cortazar and picasso work because their ideology? ill buy the game if it looks great, and thats all.

 

[aravuus]

6/11: Wow, The Last Night looks great!

6/12: I will never buy The Last Night.


Well, that was a fun little roller coaster.

A hell of a ride

 

[Ran rp]

wow thanks for that new interesting take. but i think someone else mentioned picasso earlier. although he came off as real standoffish and dismissive. oh wait

LOL

 

[GamerJM]

Not going to discuss this much further, but think very carefully about that "I dont buy something if the creator ideology sucks".

Just think about this:

Picasso was communist and openly in favor of dictatorship-like governments. Guernica is one of the most impressive art creations of XX century.

Marlon Brando raped on camera an actress on Last Tango On Paris. He perform one the most incredible, if not the best of all times acting on God Father, as Vito Corleone.

Alfred Hitchcock commited multiple sexual assault. Its the creator of Psicosis, one of the most important, critically acclaimed movies of last century. A fundamental movie for any film maker.

I could make a 100 page list of artists that made horrible things or expressed things I could never ever be agree with.
At some point in life I learned that is better to separate artist creation from creation itself. I mean, should you skipped The God Father If you would know what Marlon Brando did?

Just ignoring the ethics of giving money to directly to creators who are shitheads, the game itself seems pretty influenced by this guy's ideology from what we know. I have no interest in playing a game about a Dystopia caused by feminism and a universal basic income. Maybe I'd watch an LP of it if the writing is so bad that it's funny, but even then idk.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Not going to discuss this much further, but think very carefully about that "I dont buy something if the creator ideology sucks".

Just think about this:

Picasso was communist and openly in favor of dictatorship-like governments. Guernica is one of the most impressive art creations of XX century.

Marlon Brando raped on camera an actress on Last Tango On Paris. He perform one the most incredible, if not the best of all times acting on God Father, as Vito Corleone.

Alfred Hitchcock commited multiple sexual assault. Its the creator of Psicosis, one of the most important, critically acclaimed movies of last century. A fundamental movie for any film maker.


I could make a 100 page list of artists that made horrible things or expressed things I could never ever be agree with.
At some point in life I learned that is better to separate artist creation from creation itself. I mean, should you skipped The God Father If you would know what Marlon Brando did?

This guy is inserting his shitty ideology into the game itself. How can you separate the two in that case?

 

[Zeus The Dino]

Gaffers really think they are so holy lmao

 

[cntr]

wow thanks for that new interesting take. but i think someone else mentioned picasso earlier. although he came off as real standoffish and dismissive. oh wait

oooof

 

[Ran rp]

If Anita made a critically acclaimed game I wonder how many of these dudes would change their tune about not skipping a work because of the creator's views.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Gaffers really think they are so holy lmao

Wanna elaborate on that, breh?

 

[BlastProcessing]

Gaffers really think they are so holy lmao

What gives you that impression?

 

[BronsonLee]

Gaffers really think they are so holy lmao

I mean I have been called Jesus before

 

[Ekai]

Gaffers really think they are so holy lmao

"Criticizing people for what they say and do is bad!" - your statement in a nutshell???

 

[BRSxIgnition]

wow thanks for that new interesting take. but i think someone else mentioned picasso earlier. although he came off as real standoffish and dismissive. oh wait

 

[Palette Swap]

I'm interested. Will wait for reviews. I'm not gonna boycott a game just because the man behind made some controversial tweets in 2014. If he has changed and the game doesn't reflect his old views then i don't see why i should avoid the game.

It's a bit more than that, check post #2204.

Gaffers really think they are so holy lmao

I assume you're not a Gaffer and you think finding issue with what's in post #2204 is being too sensitive?

 

[borges]

Just ignoring the ethics of giving money to directly to creators who are shitheads, the game itself seems pretty influenced by this guy's ideology from what we know. I have no interest in playing a game about a Dystopia caused by feminism and a universal basic income. Maybe I'd watch an LP of it if the writing is so bad that it's funny, but even then idk.

I think my point was not clear. Obviously Picasso's creations were influeced by his ideology, thats why I mentioned the Guernica.
Heck! Even Jorge Luis Borges, the writer I took the name for my nickname, said horrible things like to be in favor of Argentinian dictatorship.
No need to hate me or something. This is just my opinon, I fully respect yours even if I dont coincide with it.

 

[Opa-Pa]

Bunch of very smart guys comparing critically acclaimed movies with one shitty person in the cast to a very personal game made by like two people were everyone involved has been publicly shitty and the game itself is focused on their shitty beliefs.

Flawless comparisons, I'm telling ya.

 

[Magwik]

I think my point was not clear. Obviously Picasso's creations were influeced by his ideology, thats why I mentioned the Guernica.
Heck! Even Jorge Luis Borges, the writer I took the name for my nickname, said horrible things like to be in favor of Argentinian dictatorship.
No need to hate me or something. This is just my opinon, I fully respect yours even if I dont coincide with it.

Well some shit heel who probably posts on 4chan also isn't the modern day picasso.

 

[yananana]

So many people dissmissing the fact that his ideology seems to be tied to the game itself and making some dumb comparaison, smh

 

[Not]

People who define themselves by what they consume? What a frightening vision of the future. Thankfully that will never happen!

Hahahaha

Will dudes ever stop projecting

It's like some part of them KNOWS what their flaws are but they've somehow walled them off from their personal identity

 

[borges]

wow thanks for that new interesting take. but i think someone else mentioned picasso earlier. although he came off as real standoffish and dismissive. oh wait

I just expanded on my original idea. No need to shit on me, just gave me opinion in the most respectable way, and considering other points of view as well.

 

[Shaanyboi]

So why do people buy R* games? Everybody knows working conditions are shit.

I don't. But also most working conditions in games are fucking shit.