https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/741904787361300481?lang=en
basically "wow this thing is awesome..... oh wait"
"The Last Night" (Milkshake Duck incarnate) E3 Trailer [XBO/Win10/Steam 2018]
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https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/741904787361300481?lang=en
basically "wow this thing is awesome..... oh wait"
Spirit of Jazz
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Yeah, the second wave feminist solved sexism. This has led to the "modern day" feminists selling themselves as victims and coming up with brand new ideas like artificial wombs and ending traditional family structure because of it's patriarchal nature.
Oh wait, I accidentally mistaken Shulamith Firestone, one of the leaders of Second Wave Feminist, with one of the evil lady game creators who are doing their best to bring forth a hideously unfair matriarchy just because they needed to move out of their houses due to death threats. It's an easy mistake to make!
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I followed up in a subsequent post - I do not know if the guy is a GG true believer, or just someone who bought into the misinformation the core harassers wove to smokescreen their agenda.
Also, I wasn't defending him, specifically, so much as poking what I believed to be holes in the theory that dystopia could not be effectively rendered about movements that believe in equality, as well as the notion artists with shitty worldviews can have nothing culturally valuable to contribute. As I stated earlier in the thread, I think "Harrison Bergeron" is a short story that does a great job of showing how the desire for equality could have comically dystopic results.
Not sure if I'm reading this post correctly, but you're being sarcastic, right?
You should really put an /s tag at the end. It is a joke comment, right?
Milkshake duck literally got me in the 5 seconds like the in the tweet. I hit post and then saw the subsequent posts on the page where mine landed.
HP_Wuvcraft
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There's not much wiggle room when the dev is a horrible person.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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You are right it seems he is talking radical feminists that created more divisive environments than equality
Psychoward
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He is not right and it's unsurprising that someone who didn't see the big deal over the controversy about the developer agrees with him.
I still don't understand what that Tweet means.
I'm really glad this thread is sticking around at the top of the gaming side, for all sorts of reasons.
Certainly gave me the heads up to steer clear of this one, despite the snazzy trailer.
A surprising amount of people have surprisingly horrible attitudes and are surprisingly bad at hiding them, and even worse at hiding them now we have social media.
So it's a fictional example of a very real and common phenomena, where anybody's "15 minutes of fame" now includes a surface level Googling, and that Googling will often turn up some heinous bigotry.
Certainly gave me the heads up to steer clear of this one, despite the snazzy trailer.
A surprising amount of people have surprisingly horrible attitudes and are surprisingly bad at hiding them, and even worse at hiding them now we have social media.
So it's a fictional example of a very real and common phenomena, where anybody's "15 minutes of fame" now includes a surface level Googling, and that Googling will often turn up some heinous bigotry.
Crimson_Echidna
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But there's burning questions to be asked! And you must give me completely neutral and objective citations.
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Was it the radical feminists that created divisive environments, or men's reactions to those radical feminists that created the divisive environments?
I don't see GG harassing Neo Nazis or the KKK, and they're pretty radical conservatives.
HP_Wuvcraft
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It's what happens when you think you're fighting a literal war.
Psychoward
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It's basically just a joke about how good things on the Internet often turn out to have horrible stories behind them. Like this, or jontron etc.
Fenderputty
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Still trying to figure out where your hitching your horse if this is understood?
Oh okay.
metalslimer
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Man I thought the last few years amhad purged the sight of GGers but it seems They Were just waiting for the right moment.
yeah, this schtick is getting tired, isn't it
CannonFodder52
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Trying to get some work done, but the last couple pages have had some real golden content.
If that's how GAF likes to operate, that's fine by me. It's a bit of a bummer but nothing that will steer me away from the site.
Relaxed Muscle
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....luckily, I don't even need to respond to this.
HP_Wuvcraft
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GG is one of the things that is almost universally not tolerated here.
Spirit of Jazz
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It was a joke based around how people want to claim second wing and radical feminist concepts have only just come into existence to further their fight against "modern feminism".
It just pisses me off when people want to talk about tackling heavy social issues when they've done little to no reading. If you want to build up a story about the the potential consequences of radical feminism then fine, but why the fuck would you be stupid enough to just look at a immature horrible internet movement that was discredited within hours and say you've done all of the research you needed to do rather than looking at what the actual radical feminists had to say themselves?
Relaxed Muscle
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What are those radical feminists, if they can be called that, that created divisive enviroments?
What divisive enviroments?
GG is pretty much dead. There members are still active on the web, but the movement is not that active anymore. Whatever remains of it morphed into the alt right and other awful groups.
Please note that in no way I supported GamerGate (if that wasn't already clear enough)
Crimson_Echidna
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What gets me is it's always people drawing from the exact same playbook with zero self-awareness.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
This is a whole separate topic, but I wonder if it's that these people were "waiting" all this time and more that there's clearly a contingent of young male gamers who are really susceptible to alt right messaging. One good "feminists attacking a cool game" scandal and the next thing you know they're learning about tax law from Colin Moriarty.
Ah, sorry. My mistake. Irony has been dead on the internet the past few years, due to many people believing even the most outlandish things. I need an /s now even for the most wacky posts.
Relaxed Muscle
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Supporting GG is supporting a bunch of people that tried to literally make a person life a misarable existence, which only crime was to have a pussy.
What kind of individual is someone like that? (Not you, the creator of this game)
Palette Swap
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Sexism is so over we got Gamergate.
When a mob of angry assholes decides they suddenly care about ethics and journalism because they're very easily convinced by an easily debunked story that a woman sleeps with journalists to get positive coverage for her free game, guess who they harass? The awful Jezebel, not the unethical (in their view) journalist. This shit is so blatant.
But yeah, let's concern troll with marginal shit like radical feminism, while willfully ignoring inequalities that still persist in first world countries and the fact that very concretely, feminist organizations help women everyday.
When a mob of angry assholes decides they suddenly care about ethics and journalism because they're very easily convinced by an easily debunked story that a woman sleeps with journalists to get positive coverage for her free game, guess who they harass? The awful Jezebel, not the unethical (in their view) journalist. This shit is so blatant.
But yeah, let's concern troll with marginal shit like radical feminism, while willfully ignoring inequalities that still persist in first world countries and the fact that very concretely, feminist organizations help women everyday.
It's interesting then that he - with more than one chance so far this E3 to lay it all out there and disassociate himself from GamerGate and admit that he was caught in their smokescreen - has not chosen to do so. Instead he's chosen to walk on eggshells and not commit one way or the other.
If what you said about him being easily fooled by GamerGate has any credence, can the work of someone like that really be a culturally valuable contribution? Can we trust his work to be worthwhile satire like Harrison Bergeron? I really do not believe so.
Snowman, I remember you from some Polanski-centric threads arguing the case for separating art from artist, but in this instance I can't really entertain your thoughts when the artist's mmost questionable ideals is so intrinsically woven into the art.
arturo2666
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Checking in, any new news on this since last night?
Ninja Scooter
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Someone mentioned it earlier in the thread but considering how much MS preached "inclusiveness and diversity" during their presser (and maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I don't think having it be a woman gamer be in the Xbox X reveal trailer, as well as two woman drivers during the Forza demo, was an accident) partnering with this shitheel is an especially bad look.
They released a statement stating that the creator saw the light and changed his ways since 3 years ago. Really a masterclass in gaslighting.
Hierophant
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Actually the real punk in cyberpunk is how men are oppressed (??)
Like I said to HP_Wuvcraft, if discussing any related GG stuff with a neutral stance is some kind of off-limit thingy on NeoGAF, that's totally fine by me. And my aim is not to raise tension between us as I can sense that the subject is touchy.
Hierophant
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Actually indictments of socialist ideals in favour of a dystopia where we didn't have enough capitalism is pretty punk (??)
afternoon delight
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It sounds very dumb.
It sounds pretty dumb.
they gave kotaku a statement
http://kotaku.com/e3-show-stealer-s-old-political-tweets-spark-internet-f-1796025311
Gee I wonder when exactly his views changed
Yeah, Tim was still making questionable tweets within the last couple months, so all of this "I was different in 2014" rings very hollow.
Ah, there's our Neutral Stance. Right on time.
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