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[Ogbert]

Looked very good. Will pick it up down the line.

Actually think Ghost of Tsushima Is visually more impressive. Not a slight on Naughty Dog, more an indication of how good Sucker Punch’s game looks.

 

[shubik]

Years ago Druckman did state that he had a hidden agenda that's not so hidden any more. Straight from the horse's mouth.

This game is looking good have to say. Will wait from impressions from regular Joe's before jumping in though. Good graphics/animation alone don't a good game make.

I have seen that keynote. He wants to create badass female characters for his kids to look up to that don´t feel like cliche versions of women appealing to men. Wow what an agenda... such as asshole...

Also: if your political opinion or your personal view on how the world works is being defined by a video game you are doing something wrong. Hollywood is feeding you agendas since the 20´s. I dont see a lot of outrage about this over here

 

[scalman]

Thats exactly how you go underwater

 

[dDoc]

I have seen that keynote. He wants to create badass female characters for his kids to look up to that don´t feel like cliche versions of women appealing to men. Wow what an agenda... such as asshole...

Also: if your political opinion or your personal view on how the world works is being defined by a video game you are doing something wrong. Hollywood is feeding you agendas since the 20´s. I dont see a lot of outrage about this over here

For your viewing pleasure kind sir -



Personally my opinion of Hollywood has slumped very very low the past few years, They still produce some good stuff every now and again but their agenda pushing/bad writing is killing heir reputation. Lots of films have bombed in fact so I think Im not alone with this opinion.

 

[shubik]

For your viewing pleasure kind sir -



Personally my opinion of Hollywood has slumped very very low the past few years, They still produce some good stuff every now and again but their agenda pushing/bad writing is killing heir reputation. Lots of films have bombed in fact so I think Im not alone with this opinion.

Yeah, that's exactly the keynote I was talking about. This one is cut though. The whole thing is much better and less cherry-picked.

And as a dude in my 30´s I don´t see anything "wrong" with what he said there.

Also honest question here: As we are talking about a piece of entertainment that is clearly aimed for the mature audience I always wonder who will actually be affected by this "secret Agenda"? Are you gonna turn gay in your late 20´s because you played a game with a gay main character? Who is really being influenced by this piece of software? I mean even kids don´t change their sexual orientation or belief system based on a game... This is like saying video games create killers. I thought we are passed this line... (also please don´t feel like this is all directed to you. I´m talking in general after reading a lot of comments here)

 

[scalman]

I dont see nothing wrong in dev too. And i dont care what he likes or dislikes in life as long as i will get good game to experience. Im more then just over 30's. Maybe old ppl just became more calm in general lol.

 

[Hayabusabruh]

Something about this was unimpressive visually to me. I was blown away by the 2018 gameplay trailer, but something looks plain to me. Seems like they either removed or toned down Motion blur.

 

[scalman]

Too much motion blur and dof can get in the way in 3rd person game,but something was off for me too. In bright places specially. In cloudy and dark all great.

 

[dDoc]

Also honest question here: As we are talking about a piece of entertainment that is clearly aimed for the mature audience I always wonder who will actually be affected by this "secret Agenda"?

Good question. I am guessing companies feel that if they jump on this SJW train it's gonna make them more money perhaps? Or the people in charge are of that mentality and impose their will on the product? You're into marketing you said, what's your take?

If it's the former it's not working that well for Hollywood

Also re who it might affect, have read recently of someone who changed gender at a young age and now has second thoughts about it and thinks she was sort of "forced" into it. Without today's push for SJW maybe she wouldn't have changed sex, especially at a minor age.

 

[Coolwhhip]

They really need to figure out water sometime, that always looks so fake and like liquid metal.

 

[Dodkrake]

DS is overall better looking, no doubt for me but it's just my opinion. TLOU2 would have been on par without the visual downgrades that occured since their first E3 reveal. Funny how nobody mentions that.

It has been shown that graphics have improved and been upgraded. By I guess you need better glasses

 

[Miles708]

i think it's meant to creep you out, same reason why they now named every NPC and made them able to call each other during gameplay. So kills feel heavier, kinda like MGS but without the levity of MGS.

Yes absolutely, I think it's already a huge success in that regard, and it's kind of refreshing to see a developer not cutting down his vision to achieve his message.
But still, this is too much for me.

The theme of the original TLOU was, in short, being able to find beauty in the face of desperation. And to what extent you're willing to defend your tiny glimmer of happiness, when someone tries to take it away from you, even if it's for a good cause.
That was a cool balance that reflected everywhere: in the vibrant colours of a destroyed world, in the flowery beauty of a disgusting parasite, in the heartwarming relationship between horrible people. That was what drove me in.

In TLOU2 it looks like they've focused only on the "downsides", there's no contrast anymore, everything is grey, everyone is bad, all of them will die.
I think something got lost in the process.

Also, i'm a chicken.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Looked good, but didn’t see much of anything that couldn’t be done in LoU on PS3. Mechanics wise, obviously not the graphics. With no MP, what the fuck have they been doing all these years? I’ll buy sometime when it’s dirt cheap or possibly the eventual PS5 port. Really bummed they removed MP, it was the best part of the original.

 

[scalman]

All that because

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Watch the intro!

This guy pretty much has the same view as me but it's weird that he says Neil 'insinuates' there are other enemy types. He didn't insinuate there are other enemy types, he directly said there are other infected enemy types. I found that comment odd. It's as if some people don't really listen properly.

 

[J3nga]

Looked good, but didn’t see much of anything that couldn’t be done in LoU on PS3. Mechanics wise, obviously not the graphics. With no MP, what the fuck have they been doing all these years? I’ll buy sometime when it’s dirt cheap or possibly the eventual PS5 port. Really bummed they removed MP, it was the best part of the original.

You obviously know better how to make video games of this caliber. I suggest you establish your own studio and show these amateurs from Naughty dog how business is done.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I don’t remember a game ever being this accurate and shocking in portraying the horror and grief that comes with physical violence.

And again, it’s a compliment, but it’s totally understandable that some people are disturbed by it.

It's not only understandable that some people are disturbed by the violence, it's desirable. Job done!

 

[Radical Dreamer]

one of the best movies ever made ;p

 

[Clear]

Also honest question here: As we are talking about a piece of entertainment that is clearly aimed for the mature audience I always wonder who will actually be affected by this "secret Agenda"? Are you gonna turn gay in your late 20´s because you played a game with a gay main character? Who is really being influenced by this piece of software? I mean even kids don´t change their sexual orientation or belief system based on a game... This is like saying video games create killers. I thought we are passed this line... (also please don´t feel like this is all directed to you. I´m talking in general after reading a lot of comments here)

This really hits the nail on the head. It is basically the same "moral majority" push for censorship we had in the 70's and 80's.

 

[Kerotan Frog]

I gotta say, the gameplay looked damn good. SJW story or not, it looks fun to play, and that's the main thing here. I sidestepped the spoilers so I'm clueless, but I don't think I'd be bothered too much by a more progressive slant in the story. I've seen all types of plots in my life so it's whatevs. I'm actually getting hyped, which I didn't expect. The stealth and level designs look so fun.

 

[shubik]

This really hits the nail on the head. It is basically the same "moral majority" push for censorship we had in the 70's and 80's.

It's ridicilous. Are we now gonna start to dictate the artist how to create his art so nobody gets offended? Fucking insanity

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Folks, why are some of you personally attacking each other? Attack the points, not the person. That way, one day, you'll find common ground again and won't let a conversation over ONE issue ruin what could be a good relationship and friendship. Good friends can vehemently disagree but still remain friends. You are judging your fellow men/women on the basis of ONE aspect of their personality, and considering the controversy being disgust, is incredibly ironic.

 

[Fake]

Mortal Kombat violence is just silly.

Are you kidding, right?

 

[Dory16]

It has been shown that graphics have improved and been upgraded. By I guess you need better glasses

Upgraded since the E3 reveal? And you mentioned glasses in the same sentence?

 

[crazepharmacist]

Do we play as Ellie the entire game? If we don't get to play as Joel, that's a real disappointment.

 

[Knitted Knight]

I've rewatched this too many times already. Gotta stop.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

You obviously know better how to make video games of this caliber. I suggest you establish your own studio and show these amateurs from Naughty dog how business is done.

what an adorable response

 

[ZywyPL]

I don’t remember a game ever being this accurate and shocking in portraying the horror and grief that comes with physical violence.

And again, it’s a compliment, but it’s totally understandable that some people are disturbed by it.

IMHO the more and more games start to portrait gore and violence in such a realistic (disgusting) way, the less people will want to try the things they do in video games in the real world later on. I know there are ESBR/PEGI ratings, but they don't help much, too many youngsters get to play those supposedly violent games, there the violence if just basically hitting mannequins and ketchup being sprayed all over the place, so no wonder some of them don't understand the real consequences of such actions on real life..

Something about this was unimpressive visually to me. I was blown away by the 2018 gameplay trailer, but something looks plain to me. Seems like they either removed or toned down Motion blur.

What? I though MB was all over the place, especially in close ups. But yeah, the game hasn't change in the past few years, it simply got old. It's still impressive for something running on a PS4 obviously, but seeing a glimpse of next-gen technology, the "WOW effect" is nowhere near as strong as it was back in 2018.

They really need to figure out water sometime, that always looks so fake and like liquid metal.

Nah it's good, much better than what UE5 demo showed recently.

Looked good, but didn’t see much of anything that couldn’t be done in LoU on PS3. Mechanics wise, obviously not the graphics. With no MP, what the fuck have they been doing all these years? I’ll buy sometime when it’s dirt cheap or possibly the eventual PS5 port. Really bummed they removed MP, it was the best part of the original.

Well, CELL should be able to handle even better animations, AI, physics, sound etc. but the question is would it matter with PS3-level graphics? I think all of it would go unnoticed over the blocky models, washed-out textures, edgy shadows, simple lightning etc.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

im someone who always heard about the first game, but after hearing about the story turns in this, i have no desire at all to pick up the series. the violence and gore was always a turn off but i figured the game gets great reviews i'll check it out sometime. really no reason to at this point.

so this guys agenda just lost him another sale. which, you can pout and call me a toxic person or whatever, but all i really did was just not decide to buy the game. if it isn't made for me and the director's self importance writerly bullshit is the main selling point then it really is that simple i will just skip the product. if the entire thing is meant to be a paen to new Intersectional Feminism then i'm out, sorry, i'm tired of seeing this corporate male feminism. which tends to be bad feminism. if this was by a woman then i would be more willing to see it out as a feminist statement but at this point i am sick of these male feminists.

being aware of an agenda need not be some fearful conspiracy of turning people gay or whatever. i just don't want to support this guy and not buy his games. nothing wrong with that. nothing wrong with being an informed consumer. vote with your wallet.

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

Comments and Likes disabled, I see.

There was a live chat during the video on the Sony You Tube channel

 

[Woggleman]

Do you think that Sony could benefit from a temporary rerelease of the Vita after this game comes out? It could even come with a version of the first game already loaded on it.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

Years ago Druckman did state that he had a hidden agenda that's not so hidden any more. Straight from the horse's mouth.

This game is looking good have to say. Will wait from impressions from regular Joe's before jumping in though. Good graphics/animation alone don't a good game make.

the agenda was to create Ellie in the first tlou in a non sexualized manner. Why the fk are there so many creeps bothered about a 14 yr old fictional girl not being sexualized?

 

[Jon Neu]

You are insufferable.

But I’m not wrong, though.

Shes based on Ellen Page since day one.

Implying Ellen Page isn’t a lesbian who also likes to dress in a boyish way.

Basing Ellie on Ellen Page was a very deliberate and careful choice.

Yeah, that's exactly the keynote I was talking about. This one is cut though. The whole thing is much better and less cherry-picked.

And as a dude in my 30´s I don´t see anything "wrong" with what he said there.

Also honest question here: As we are talking about a piece of entertainment that is clearly aimed for the mature audience I always wonder who will actually be affected by this "secret Agenda"? Are you gonna turn gay in your late 20´s because you played a game with a gay main character? Who is really being influenced by this piece of software? I mean even kids don´t change their sexual orientation or belief system based on a game... This is like saying video games create killers. I thought we are passed this line... (also please don´t feel like this is all directed to you. I´m talking in general after reading a lot of comments here)

I legit don’t understand why people like you become so triggered at the sole mention that the game has a political agenda.

Nobody says the game is gonna turn people gay. Shit, nobody says that people being gay is wrong, for starters.

It’s like all of you are so desperate to defend the SJW agenda that you become totally incapable of any nuanced thinking.

The game has a political agenda based on virtue signalling, some people don’t like that and voice their discomfort. Some people like it, some people don’t care.

But you all get mad at the peope who voice their discomfort, like if they should be ok with it or then they are horrible persons.

 

[VFXVeteran]

I really like the water and the reflections (and the wet effect on the backpack)

They got the wet look down. They are using some great PBR this time around. Having said that, water is and will always be a challenge for videogames. The typical sin()/cos() function use for animation is about all that can be mustered in most games these days with a very few exceptions.

 

[shubik]

But I’m not wrong, though.



Implying Ellen Page isn’t a lesbian who also likes to dress in a boyish way.

Basing Ellie on Ellen Page was a very deliberate and careful choice.



I legit don’t understand why people like you become so triggered at the sole mention that the game has a political agenda.

Nobody says the game is gonna turn people gay. Shit, nobody says that people being gay is wrong, for starters.

It’s like all of you are so desperate to defend the SJW agenda that you become totally incapable of any nuanced thinking.

The game has a political agenda based on virtue signalling, some people don’t like that and voice their discomfor Some people like it, some people don’t care.

But you all get mad at the peope who voice their discomfort, like if they should be ok with it or then they are horrible persons.

Please enlighten me and tell me the agenda. What is in your opinion the exact agenda that Neil and ND are trying to secretly push on us. I´m sure you can pin it down to a couple of points.

 

[dDoc]

the agenda was to create Ellie in the first tlou in a non sexualized manner. Why the fk are there so many creeps bothered about a 14 yr old fictional girl not being sexualized?

Got nothing against anyone's sexual orientation. In fact when I visit the hub I watch some lesbo vids

it cant be denied that Druckmann has an agenda(he said it himself) and that he's buddy buddy with Sarkeesian (not a positive thing in my book)

 

[cormack12]

They got the wet look down. They are using some great PBR this time around. Having said that, water is and will always be a challenge for videogames. The typical sin()/cos() function use for animation is about all that can be mustered in most games these days with a very few exceptions.

Yeah the backpack is particularly impressive. Looks like it's saturated through.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Looked very good. Will pick it up down the line.

Actually think Ghost of Tsushima Is visually more impressive. Not a slight on Naughty Dog, more an indication of how good Sucker Punch’s game looks.

That's a difference in art. Fair comparison.

 

[mckmas8808]

Is that really bad thing? I actually like the fact you have to keep moving, it makes more exciting.

You're probably right. I'll just have to get used to it.

 

[Steve.1981]

Since people are talking about Neil Druckman's agenda again, it's worth reiterating that yes he does have an agenda. He said so himself. The video of his speech is freely available to view.

I would advise watching the speech before commenting. Make your mind up from there if it's a problem for you or not.

Personally I don't care. He said his secret agenda was to create cool, non-sexualised female characters. That's fine by me. I think he's got an ego, pointing out other female characters created by other people & saying "I don't like what I see" & I don't think he's best suited to decide what's a good role model for young girls. I could also question why he's ok with that "Chlodine" nonsense. But that's all another debate. His agenda was to create non-sexualised female characters. Like Ellie. That just doesn't bother me at all. Ellie's a great character.

 

[Jon Neu]

Please enlighten me and tell me the agenda. What is in your opinion the exact agenda that Neil and ND are trying to secretly push on us. I´m sure you can pin it down to a couple of points.

You don’t have to believe me, Neil Cuckmann himself has outlined how the designs of his characters are based on a political agenda or how his games are influenced by Anita Sarkeesian, among other things.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Ok first of all Kojima Prods is not a Sony 1st party studio. The sense of entitlement of certain Sony fans is really something to behold.
Isomniac, Polyphony Digital and Sucker Punch are not in the same category as ND, SSM and Guerrilla. This is an objective statement based on the critical acclaim of their most recent output and just general appreciation in the industry. MS wouldn't have a first party problem if they only had those 3 studios to beat.

Sucker Punch is a good studio and Ghost of Tsushima could very well propel them as a studio if it's good enough

If Polyphony Digital get GT7 right then they'll also be in a great place, they have a bigger team now

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

Ellie crawling through the vent reminded me of Spider-Man. Like, it looked exactly the same.

Do all the big first party PlayStation studios share tech to allow easier development of these things?

Yes they do, Naughty Dog is leader of the ICE team, all Sony studios are part of that team, just like you discribe, to share tech, help eachother with coding problems and allow easier developments for games on Playstation. And now Herman Hulst is leader of the Sony studios you can expect that he will push this colaberation between the Sony studios even more. He was always promoting that between the Sony Studios.

 

[rofif]

Looks good but I am replaying Uncharted 4 right now and.... yeah uncharted 4 is god damn mind blowing

 

[shubik]

You don’t have to believe me, Neil Cuckmann himself has outlined how the designs of his characters are based on a political agenda or how his games are influenced by Anita Sarkeesian, among other things.

But thats not what I asked. Again: could you describe me in yourr own words the agenda that he is trying to push on us and could you also give me examples how this ruined passed games for you. I´m asking for your opinion here. Do you have one?

 

[Eiknarf]

Since people are talking about Neil Druckman's agenda again, it's worth reiterating that yes he does have an agenda. He said so himself. The video of his speech is freely available to view.

I would advise watching the speech before commenting. Make your mind up from there if it's a problem for you or not.

Personally I don't care. He said his secret agenda was to create cool, non-sexualised female characters. That's fine by me. I think he's got an ego, pointing out other female characters created by other people & saying "I don't like what I see" & I don't think he's best suited to decide what's a good role model for young girls. I could also question why he's ok with that "Chlodine" nonsense. But that's all another debate. His agenda was to create non-sexualised female characters. Like Ellie. That just doesn't bother me at all. Ellie's a great character.

But wait
Doesn’t Ellie have a love interest? Isn’t that part of being sexual or sexualized?
Im sincerely asking - not mocking or jumping for joy. Just curious

 

[Hobbygaming]

You don’t have to believe me, Neil Cuckmann himself has outlined how the designs of his characters are based on a political agenda or how his games are influenced by Anita Sarkeesian, among other things.

Why is it such a bother if he doesn't create sexualized female characters though?? Naughty Dog is just one studio, there's plenty of other studios that have those sexy virtualize females lol and they're just games at the end of the day

 

[yeeeeeezy]

You don’t have to believe me, Neil Cuckmann himself has outlined how the designs of his characters are based on a political agenda or how his games are influenced by Anita Sarkeesian, among other things.

The agenda stated by Neil was to create a non sexualized female character in Ellie. The manifestation of this agenda was an apolitical game that was universally praised. Would you prefer Ellie, a 14 year old girl in the apocalypse, be sexualized?

 

[yeeeeeezy]

But wait
Doesn’t Ellie have a love interest? Isn’t that part of being sexual or sexualized?
Im sincerely asking - not mocking or jumping for joy. Just curious

Having a love interest at 19 yrs old is a part of life. That’s not being “sexualized”. It’s being sexual. We are all sexual creatures with that innate drive.

 

[GymWolf]

Yes absolutely, I think it's already a huge success in that regard, and it's kind of refreshing to see a developer not cutting down his vision to achieve his message.
But still, this is too much for me.

The theme of the original TLOU was, in short, being able to find beauty in the face of desperation. And to what extent you're willing to defend your tiny glimmer of happiness, when someone tries to take it away from you, even if it's for a good cause.
That was a cool balance that reflected everywhere: in the vibrant colours of a destroyed world, in the flowery beauty of a disgusting parasite, in the heartwarming relationship between horrible people. That was what drove me in.

In TLOU2 it looks like they've focused only on the "downsides", there's no contrast anymore, everything is grey, everyone is bad, all of them will die.
I think something got lost in the process.

Also, i'm a chicken.

Well at least there is no violence on chickens in this game