Nightengale
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Falcom didn't develop EVO. It's a license job where Kadokawa Games were the one who added in all the new art, music and voice acting.
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The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel |OT| Class Warfare
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Falcom didn't develop EVO. It's a license job where Kadokawa Games were the one who added in all the new art, music and voice acting.
Xenoflare
Member
Woah lol.
Well, even with that it's still a bit... regressive. Falcom had no involvements for the evo games at all?
Nightengale
Member
Falcom should have a clause in their Kadokawa contract stating : we reserve the right to release a definitive version of our game with the voice acting from the Evo games after a period of time.
Not going to happen, but it would be nice to have.
Not going to happen, but it would be nice to have.
Nightengale
Member
Falcom acknowledges them and helps to market them on their social media. And gives Kadokawa the original source code to port the games.
Aside from that, pretty much nothing. Falcom effectively licences out their games, just like how Disney licenses out Star Wars to a toy companies.
It's not like it's new, either. Falcom outsourced Ys 4 to two different companies, for example, back in 1993 - one version, Dawn of Ys, was by Hudson Soft and Tonkin House made the other Ys 4, Mask of the Sun.
The first time Falcom made their own version of Ys 4 was the recent Ys Celceta.
I get that it wouldn't have a lot of voiced dialogue, but it could've been at least consistent. I don't mind unvoiced dialogue on introductions or middle of the chapter scenes, they could've cut those out of place voicework and saved even more money.
Nightengale
Member
It's their first attempt at this at a large scale, probably not as well optimised as it could've been, or the cost of making it thorough exceeded their expectations.
And they rarely ever seen to spend more than they need to, this modest expectations each time.
And enjoy it never coming to the west?
Xenoflare
Member
I know that and his beef with the nobles just makes him an internet personality
It's just shallow characterization
The way Machias is portrayed drives home with the issue I have with some RPGs: I'd rather have just the protagonist or a small party at the beginning and slowly increasing your numbers instead of beginning the game with a large party. With the latter, you risk having the characters kinda fading into the background, so you create specific draws to each of them to avoid that.
Machias' hatred for nobility, even if explained later into the game, is just that, a draw to make him stand out and not fade into the background when you have a JRPG with nine members right off the bat.
Machias' hatred for nobility, even if explained later into the game, is just that, a draw to make him stand out and not fade into the background when you have a JRPG with nine members right off the bat.
I wouldn't say "outsourced." They licensed it out. But that was their primary source of income for years: licensing out their games to other companies. This includes a couple hundred different ports of Ys 1 and 2, including the abysmal DS versions. Even the Scriptarts PS2 remakes of Ys 3-5. As far as Ys 4 goes, Falcom was working on their own with Sega for Sega CD but it got canned.
Pellegri Testament
Member
So I've been noticing something off while playing this, does this drain battery life faster or something? Compared to other games, a full charge doesn't seem to last nearly as long while playing this.
Xenoflare
Member
Games do vary in terms of battery life. That is true.
IIRC does this game have that "Network features is turned off" notification upon booting? Usually those games in my experience takes more battery as devs can utilize that to give the Vita a cpu speed bump
I thought I was going crazy, even told a few friends that my Vita's battery was starting to die while playing this game for the last week. Now I really do believe it's the game, because it's lasting me 3.5-4 hours per full charge, when I used to get a little over 5 hours with other games. As a conscious Vita owner, I always leave wi-fi turned off and the battery at a reasonable level.
Pellegri Testament
Member
Ya wondered if it was some special setting or if the game was just more demanding on the system. Not a huge fault for me since i'm usually a few feet away from my outlet and can charge anytime, just a little jarring seeing that bar go down so fast.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Gonna assume cold steel 3 has a good chance of being release state side as well? Even tho it was recently announce.
I don't see why not. CSII hits the West in 2016 so I don't think it'll be a problem.
Pellegri Testament
Member
As long as CS 2 doesn't outright bomb due to being a sequel and not enough finishing 1 to care about 2, I'd say there's a high chance of it coming here. Probably safe to assume that CS 1 has also payed off so far if you look at retailers actually running out of stock and it actually getting a good amount of reviews/media attention.
Nightengale
Member
CS3 is also probably going to be on the PS4 as well.
Going to be a bit of a wait though... Unless Falcom surprises us with a Fall 16 release for CS3, it's going to be 2017, and 2018 for localisation.
Going to be a bit of a wait though... Unless Falcom surprises us with a Fall 16 release for CS3, it's going to be 2017, and 2018 for localisation.
Rarely happens with other localized titles for the west, why would a Falcom jRPG be any different?
Xenoflare
Member
I'm just pointing out the unusually small release gaps, what's wrong with that?
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Character spoilers, Ch. 1
Is that...Bleublanc? Nah, couldn't be.
*it is him*
Well shit. I guess I'm running all over town again.
*it is him*
Well shit. I guess I'm running all over town again.
Nightengale
Member
Well, for the longest time, even Asia gets shafted in terms of localisation, but suddenly they're surging ahead of the "assumed" bigger western market and are now almost tier-1 markets for Japanese games with priority localisation.
Though a part of that is apparently contributed by SCEJA (Taiwan) and their team that apparently does a lot of localisation work for 3rd party games.
Too bad there's no SCEA/E equivalent of equal speed and aggressiveness...
Aaronrules380
Member
Chapter 4:
Edit:
I got so excited when I heard that lute, and was not disappointed
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And he's chairman of the board of Thors. Awesome
Character spoilers, Ch. 1
Is that...Bleublanc? Nah, couldn't be.
*it is him*
Well shit. I guess I'm running all over town again.
I couldn't find him
Pellegri Testament
Member
He notices you when you first enter the town and he comments on Sara/the girls in your party. Unless I missed a side quest with him in ch1, that's all he really does there.
That's what I figured. I squealed when I saw him though.
Also, when should I have read that 3rd Star Door translated on Endless History if anyone knows?
Nightengale
Member
I wish [Trails in the Sky SPOILER]
Olivier (ver.Olivert Reise Arnor) was a look I could've had for end game SC.
Xenoflare
Member
I wish [Trails in the Sky SPOILER]Olivier (ver.Olivert Reise Arnor) was a look I could've had for end game SC.
He
Travis Willingham, but he does sounds like Matt Mercer
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Finally had a bit of time so started and actually played for couple of hours. So far my impressions are not good.
- Graphics: don't care, certainly serviceable. Reminds me of Tales games.
- Voice Acting: pretty cringeworthy. It's not good at all. Funny enough... Reminds me of Tales games.
- Characterization of the team chars: Just plain bad and super tropey. Also reminds me of Tales games.
So far it's like Falcom decided that "Tales of" was the best series ever for graphics, VA and characters and ran with it. It's extremely disappointing after Trails FC and SC. I sincerely hope it will get better since Trails characters certainly improved (but they were never this bad).
Also not sure about having the whole team immediately in place.
Oh, and loading is everywhere and while it's not bad it's certainly not good. If the game gets better I may have to get PS3 version.
- Graphics: don't care, certainly serviceable. Reminds me of Tales games.
- Voice Acting: pretty cringeworthy. It's not good at all. Funny enough... Reminds me of Tales games.
- Characterization of the team chars: Just plain bad and super tropey. Also reminds me of Tales games.
So far it's like Falcom decided that "Tales of" was the best series ever for graphics, VA and characters and ran with it. It's extremely disappointing after Trails FC and SC. I sincerely hope it will get better since Trails characters certainly improved (but they were never this bad).
Also not sure about having the whole team immediately in place.
Oh, and loading is everywhere and while it's not bad it's certainly not good. If the game gets better I may have to get PS3 version.
Xenoflare
Member
Hey Xillia 2 had a great dub.
Characterization part I get, as someone already pointed out the cast should have been trickled down to the player instead of having them appear at the same time
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Xillia 2 was alright but far from say Atlus work. This really reminded me of Zesteria voices with latter actually being better.
And for characterization, it's not just that the team is dropped on you wholesale but it's just some characters are straight out of some really low quality anime.
Xenoflare
Member
The low quality anime is due to the fact that it's dropped at once. They need shitty tropes to make them standouts
The dub is more about the combination of the script and subpar characterizations.... some of the in battle voices are very errr... iffy.
A couple of the actors (if Behind the Voice actor's list is credible for this game), you have a couple actors who worked on Atlus games
Nightengale
Member
You don't have to mince words. Just say "all of them."
The game plays with your expectations and perceptions of the characters a bit here and there. Not everyone will like Class VII ( I don't like them as much as Liberl Bracers and SSS), but I grew really fond of Class VII, even though I disliked everyone except Jusis in the prologue back when I first played it.
The game plays with your expectations and perceptions of the characters a bit here and there. Not everyone will like Class VII ( I don't like them as much as Liberl Bracers and SSS), but I grew really fond of Class VII, even though I disliked everyone except Jusis in the prologue back when I first played it.
Xenoflare
Member
I'm still trying to figure out if I'm getting old or the character quality just dropped. Although I'm still going over chapter 1. It's not having the warm feeling I had for FC in 2006
I just feel all the kids are a bit....... less.... varied in terms of background. I don't know if it's a Kiseki thing in general but the entire cast has a hamfisted background where even the most mundane characters come from a "big family"
Although, it's an thing in TiTs too. Although that was trickled down as well.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I have played FC and SC this year. Neither is this bad, they are hugely better characters from the get go.
The latest one? Since it vaguely addresses a short scene that occurs during the ending of Trails in the Sky SC it's recommended you beat that game first, otherwise you'll lack the context to understand some of what the door reveals. Apparently the information discussed in that door won't be relevant until ToCSII so there's no hurry, I suppose.
If you meant the one before, watching it before playing SC is probably okay since it reveals what happened with Cassius during the events of FC and will apparently have some relevance in ToCS.
You don't actually have the whole team accessible from the get go. Somewhat minor spoilers but you don't get to even use 2 characters for the first time until chapter 2.
As for the Tales comparisons, I definitely think Falcom must be big fans of mystic artes and cut-ins haha.
Xenoflare
Member
It's more about how the cast is introduced, not played
About mystic artes, I'm pretty sure that Falcom did "Persona eyes" before persona with those S-crafts in TiTs. P3 is a 2006 game while FC released in 2004
Let's hope The 3rd comes soon then!I wish [Trails in the Sky SPOILER]Olivier (ver.Olivert Reise Arnor) was a look I could've had for end game SC.
Cold Steel had its visual toned down until it was able to run roughly equally on both PS3 and Vita. My problem with Cold Steel is mostly the animations; they run like kids' robots. It might sound minor, but they addressed this issue in Cold Steel II and it's absolutely jarring to go back.
Based on their respective endings and my reactions to them, I might like Class VII the best of the series. I was inconsolable.
Nightengale
Member
I'm hoping that he'd...
be playable/is the protagonist of Cold Steel 3
Animation and lack of cinematography/scene direction in Cold Steel 1, despite its now far more 'realistic' visuals was really jarring. It was the one thing they practically lifted 1:1 from their old-school style of making Trails. Nice to hear CS2 massively improves that.
Well, there's still CS2 for me to bite through. Right now my ranking is :
1. Estelle/Joshua/Olivier + Liberl Bracers ( as of FC/SC, nothing of 3rd)
2. Special Support Section ( I only played Zero, so nothing of Ao)
3. Class VII (as of end of CS1)
4. Liberl Bracers excluding Estelle/Joshua/Olivier ( as of FC/SC, nothing of 3rd)
So yeah, it's Bracers > SSS > Class VII in absolute terms, but that's mainly because I love the hell out of Estelle/Joshua/Olivier.
So yeah, it's Bracers > SSS > Class VII in absolute terms, but that's mainly because I love the hell out of Estelle/Joshua/Olivier.
Well, the Japanese would agree with you, I think. The last poll I saw rated
1. SC
2. Azure
3. FC
as the top 3.
I find the graphics ugly as sin. I wish Japanese studios would stop going for a "realistic" art style when it's obviously they don't have the budget for it.
I'm not even a graphic dude, but in this case I really feel it detracts from the narrative, it's jarring when the main character models barely look better than the NPC. I wish Falcom could conjure whatever magic Gust was using for Dusk character models.
I'm not even a graphic dude, but in this case I really feel it detracts from the narrative, it's jarring when the main character models barely look better than the NPC. I wish Falcom could conjure whatever magic Gust was using for Dusk character models.
BassForever
Member
Considering they went for military school approach I feel the dump of a large class feels justified when compared to the other Trails games. It'd be super weird if class VII only started with like 4 selected students and every in game month they did the Persona "oh we found another student compatible with Arcus" route.
The more I play CS, the more I feel like they intentionally went with the character archetypes right off the bat to lure in the modern crowd - you know, the ones who will buy a game because they saw a character archetype in it (like a tsundere or whatever) and then did a bait and switch and actually gave them the personalities of normal people once you spend more time with them, there are way less MISUNDERSTANDINGS than you'd think since generally things get resolved pretty quickly except for a few conflicts, et cetera.
I feel like Falcom is acutely aware that they needed to appeal to the crowd that buys games these days in Japan, but at the same time wanted to show them a damn good RPG as well as a well-written story to back it up, as well as surprise them with multi-faceted in-depth characters instead of what they probably expected, which was 'generic tsundere' and 'apathetic loli' and 'class president.'
I'm in Chapter 4 and essentially this feels a hell of a lot like the Trails I know and love. There are a couple rough spots but so far I have been convinced that this takes place in the same world as FC/SC. Hell, there were less-developed character archetypes in FC/SC too that got way less character background than the people in Cold Steel.
I feel like Falcom is acutely aware that they needed to appeal to the crowd that buys games these days in Japan, but at the same time wanted to show them a damn good RPG as well as a well-written story to back it up, as well as surprise them with multi-faceted in-depth characters instead of what they probably expected, which was 'generic tsundere' and 'apathetic loli' and 'class president.'
I'm in Chapter 4 and essentially this feels a hell of a lot like the Trails I know and love. There are a couple rough spots but so far I have been convinced that this takes place in the same world as FC/SC. Hell, there were less-developed character archetypes in FC/SC too that got way less character background than the people in Cold Steel.