HellforLeather
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Even if it wasnt a parody...its not hate speech.
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The lyrics of this song I just heard on Spotify are pure hate speech
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depths20XX
Member
Uh, pretty sure that song is about a Nazi doctor that tortured people. How is it pro-nazi? Songs aren't always about good things. Especially metal songs.
Yeah, about Josef Mengele. Nevertheless i feel the song is glorifying him.
Is this a joke like the OP proclaiming the song in the OP is hate speech? How can anyone interpret this as Nazi sympathizing? They're clearly talking about the horrors of Josef Mengele not praising him...
Flying Toaster
Member
Yeah I thought this was about the Dr.
Metal is all over the place with beliefs just like all genres of music or people in general. I am pretty sure Slayer is not down with the Nazis.
Flying Toaster
Member
How does someone that listens to rock not know about Steel Panther. Does OP know about Spinal Tap and Weird Al?
Puck Beaverton
Banned
I can't get over how bad this thread is.
It's like a parody thread about liberals.
It's like a parody thread about liberals.
BackLogJoe
Member
The lead singer of Slayer is a Chilean immigrant. He's definitely not down with Nazis.
Messofanego
Banned
I don't see anything about the nazi doctors made positive in that song. The song puts you in the shoes of the nazi doctors' thinking, of how he's a sadistic and inhumane psychopath who will do the most heinous horrors imaginable and bringing to light that a lot of that was actually done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_of_Death_(Slayer_song)
Slayer guitarist Jeff Hanneman wrote "Angel of Death" after reading books about Nazi physician Josef Mengele while on tour with the band.[2] He said that he remembered "stopping someplace where I bought two books on Mengele. I thought, 'This has gotta be some sick shit.' So when it came time to do the record, that stuff was still in my head—that's where the lyrics to 'Angel of Death' came from."[2]
The lyrics are written both from Mengele's point of view and from that of a detached observer condemning his actions.[3] They detail Mengele's surgical experiments on patients at the Auschwitz concentration camp during World War II.[4][5] Mengele's explorations were conducted on such groups as dwarfs and twins, and included both physical and psychological examinations.[6][7] Among the tests he performed that are mentioned in "Angel of Death" are experimental surgeries performed without anesthesia, transfusion of blood between twins, isolation endurance, gassing, injections with lethal germs, sex change operations, the removal of organs and limbs, and abacination.[8]
The lyrics are written both from Mengele's point of view and from that of a detached observer condemning his actions.[3] They detail Mengele's surgical experiments on patients at the Auschwitz concentration camp during World War II.[4][5] Mengele's explorations were conducted on such groups as dwarfs and twins, and included both physical and psychological examinations.[6][7] Among the tests he performed that are mentioned in "Angel of Death" are experimental surgeries performed without anesthesia, transfusion of blood between twins, isolation endurance, gassing, injections with lethal germs, sex change operations, the removal of organs and limbs, and abacination.[8]
Just like how the film Men Behind The Sun about the Japanese horrors committed on the Chinese during WW2 isn't glorifying them but bringing to light the inhumane tortures done.
chrisPjelly
Member
This. Come on guys, what are you doing?
This is true. I checked them out after they popped up in a Ninja Sex Party video. Have to say, parody or not, I kind of felt like they missed the mark of satire and came off as writing douchy songs with shitty lyrics "for a joke bro".
Rock And Roll
Member
www.theonion.com has some of the shoddiest journalism I have ever seen
Puck Beaverton
Banned
They walk the line between celebrating the debauchery and laughing at it.
well, thats how a lot of lyrics work; a lot of lyrics with metalbands are purely for shock-value and shouldnt be taken as 'opinions' or whatever. Funny thing is, Tom Araya (Slayers vocalist and bass player) is a pretty "religious" guy who visits church occasionally. You wouldnt think that given Slayer's lyrics/topics. Per wikipedia:
In an interview, Araya expressed his belief that "...Christ came and taught us about love, about doing unto others. That was his preach: Accept each other for who we are. Live peacefully, and love one another." When asked if he believed in God, he replied "I believe in a supreme being, yeah. But He's an all-loving God."[16] Araya explained that he has a "really strong belief system," and Slayer's words and images will "never interfere with what I believe and how I feel.... People are not in good shape to where they have to question their own belief system because of a book or a story somebody wrote, or a Slayer song."
Araya commented about the misconception of the band labeled as Satan worshippers, "Yeah, yeah I think that's one of the biggest misconceptions towards the band, but next to that just the fact that we're normal." If guitarist King writes a good song, Araya puts his beliefs aside, "I'm not one that's going to go, 'This sucks because it's contrary to my beliefs.' To me it's more like 'This is really good stuff. You're going to piss people off with this.'"
80s metal had a way of being really into some edgy shit and i think they saw themselves as in the same category as slasher films. in slayer's case i'd hazard it's mostly aesthetic, but it's definitely in a weird authorial intent grey area and i can see how it would turn you off. i think people would disagree with me, but seeing that song that way is a perfectly valid choice in my mind.
there are some actual like, really uncomfortably racist metal bands (malevolent creation, some black metal bands like grand belial's key, etc), but i'd probably say steel panther is more tone deaf than anything.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
FTFY
I think OP should be happy that Spotify didn't serve him Anal Cunt; with classics as "I Lit Your Baby On Fire", "Tim Is Gay", "Hitler Was A Sensitive Man", "I Sold Your Dog To A Chinese Restaurant", and the all time classic, "I got an office job for the sole purpose to sexually harass women"
starchild excalibur
Member
Never heard of the band, but based off the lyrics in the OP I definitely wouldn't have guessed they were a parody band. The lyrics aren't exactly "ha ha" funny, at least in that song.
Regardless of Slayer's intentions and the members' ethnic backgrounds, the band is super popular amongst WP groups. As a teen, I used to frequently hit shows put on by a sweet Slayer covers band, who I later learned (by checking out their tattoos) were all WP guys.
Still an awesome song as far as I'm concerned, but I can understand and empathise with people who are turned off by the vibe they get from it.
Reminded me more of Fox News outrage over rap lyrics.
Actually, i remember i saw years ago a photo of some Slayer members doing the nazi salute. I would look for it but i don't know if it is ok to post it here. Which drives my point even further.
DarkestHour
Banned
Yes, and I don't understand how this is hate speech in any way.
karmaforgotme
Member
Not getting into this.
PancakeBurglar
Member
I don't think they are nazis, well Araya is a Trump supporter but King was very vocal about being anti Trump and pro Hilary. Slayer writes a lot of songs about the horrors of war and WWII as well. That all said nazis do seem to like the band, I went to a Slayer show and saw a couple nazi punks with swastikas tattooed on the back of their heads. Though I'm very doubtful the band supports white power and Hitler.
I'd imagine that was mostly motivated by edge. It's only in the last few years that we've become more sensitive to anything remotely looking like it might possibly be glorifying nazism due to the rise of the far right, and power suddenly falling into the hands of neo-nazi groups (UKIP in the UK, and now Trump in the US), as well as long-ignored hate groups like the police force in the US being exposed to the mainstream.
Back in the 80s and 90s, people pushed each other's buttons without fear of anyone reading anything into it. I could see Slayer flirting with WP controversy just for the fun of it, just as they (and dozens of other bands) did with Devil worship. Fucking with oversensitive middle-Americans was a way of life for Gen Xers.
If death metal bands suddenly became a political power and started trying to murder religious people, we'd stop seeing bands writing antichristian lyrics unless they wanted to be associated with those extremists; but the bands of the 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s weren't writing music in that cultural context. Same goes for bands using Third Reich imagery in the 80s and 90s being viewed through the cultural lens of 2017.
uncelestial
Member
I for one can't believe that Beck proposes "get[ting] with" not only the muse that inspired the song, but also HER SISTER -- who he only "thinks" is named Debra.
Absolutely outrageous.
Absolutely outrageous.
HammerOfThor
Member
This reminds me of the metallica song "fade to black", glamorizing suicide:
/sarcasm
Seriously guys, what are we doing here? I can't tell if half of you are being serious or not.
Slayer doesn't support Nazis, and Angel of Death is just a different way to bring the horrors the Nazis committed to light. Absolutely nothing in that song says otherwise, and I can't picture how someone could interpret it as such unless their just looking for drama.
Steel Panther is a parody band, and those lyrics don't even invoke hate speech if they weren't.
/sarcasm
Seriously guys, what are we doing here? I can't tell if half of you are being serious or not.
Slayer doesn't support Nazis, and Angel of Death is just a different way to bring the horrors the Nazis committed to light. Absolutely nothing in that song says otherwise, and I can't picture how someone could interpret it as such unless their just looking for drama.
Steel Panther is a parody band, and those lyrics don't even invoke hate speech if they weren't.
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Y'all ever listen to Necro?
Or any horrorcore for the matter.
Or those charming chaps, Infant Annihilator.
Some music, and the lyrics, are purely there to shock and appall.
For real hate speech look at bands like Skrewdriver.
Or any horrorcore for the matter.
Or those charming chaps, Infant Annihilator.
Some music, and the lyrics, are purely there to shock and appall.
For real hate speech look at bands like Skrewdriver.
yeah like lemmy collected nazi memorabilia and there are punk bands who used a lot of that imagery. the last example is kinda weird given black metal associated church burnings, though.
it's pretty telling that modern thrash has moved away from that aesthetic somewhat - bands like gama bomb and lich king being less self-serious, warbringer just being constant pointed anti-war creeds, vektor is weird space shit, municipal waste sidestepping everything and just singing about how awesome partying and being drunk is.
Westbahnhof
Banned
Anyone want to play devil's advocate for me, and tell me how this could be considered hate speech?
Like, I see how it's in poor taste, but I can't wrap my head about the term hate speech in this context.
Like, I see how it's in poor taste, but I can't wrap my head about the term hate speech in this context.
Moose Biscuits
It would be extreamly painful...
Body shaming? I dunno
Leatherface
Member
Do some of you just search for things to be offended by? lol
Count Dookkake
Member
It's ok if you're into people as described in the song. The band doesn't hate you.
apocalidiot
Banned
Since the original topic of this thread is stupid (no offense OP), lets talk about Slayer/white supremacy
They took Minor Threat's anti-racist song and changed the last lyric to "guilty of being right". Give me a fucking break - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9bMxyMPNzs
You're comparing Lemmy being into nazi memorabilia/stupid punks showcasing swastikas to shock people, to people having white power tattoos? That is not analogous at ALL
also, before anyone starts inferring - I don't have an opinion/know much about Lemmy's collection of nazi memorabilia, and I think that people's use of swastikas when punk was becoming a thing was stupid as fuck/rooted in ignorance as well
apocalidiot
Banned
double post
That was my original intention when i voiced my opinion about "Angel of death". Kinda of off putting for the backslash i received just to voiced my opinion about a song that makes me feel uncomfortable. One dude here called me "part of the problem" before editing his post. Don't know why ....
Well, this is more direct!!! didn't know about this song.
Also i found the photo of Slayer members doing the nazi salute. This was the only link i could find, which ironically talks about how Kerry King was accused of being antisemite in the past, for the song........you guessed it, Angel of death (also before the Trump's era).
The article is also about Phil Anselmo doing HIS nazi salute. Which showcases this problem in the metal scene.
http://www.metalinjection.net/lates...elmo-was-out-of-line-with-white-power-gesture