Baron_Calamity
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It makes more sense that "I just overheard two people talking about a loss doodad, I know earth is in trouble but lets fart around the galaxy on that wild goose chase instead."
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It makes more sense that "I just overheard two people talking about a loss doodad, I know earth is in trouble but lets fart around the galaxy on that wild goose chase instead."
prag16
Banned
I agree regarding the "overhearing random shit" side quests. I really had no problem with them. And in fact, I found that method LESS immersion breaking than the typical game formula of having to deliberately walk up to and click on every NPC searching for quests while the galaxy burns. Overhearing random shit while the galaxy burns actually seemed a little less silly in my opinion.
That said, (even though it runs totally counter to the sense of urgency, yes) Citadel is great, and your concerns are no reason to miss it. Do it up.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the premise is actually that the Normandy is in for mandatory repairs.
But even if it was just R&R, happens all the time during wars.
One could say that the war in ME3 was a "little" more critical than WWII.
It's not a matter of what's critical. It's a matter of what degree of prolonged stress and trauma the human mind can handle.
SliChillax
Member
Also make the trilogy into one whole game without going to menus and switching would be cool.
DOWN
Banned
Sorry JohnnyFootball, but I'm not seeing the evidence that overwhelmingly suggests a remaster is planned or in the works. I see two posts that suggest it's been discussed, many months apart. If anything, the lack of announcement, very broad interest tweets suggesting they have no pinned down scope for the project to have even planned a budget or had it greenlit, and EA's lack of remaster interest, all make your posts seem like big assumptions in the face of evidence saying we shouldn't assume it is a sure thing.
And no, I never said they won't do a remaster. I've been pretty clear that I just think your posts repeatedly assuming that it was secretly completed, is secretly in development, or will be done for sure later, all sound like reaching based on almost nothing. I think it's absolutely possible, but also improbable to the point where your assumptions and convictions are not reasonable.
And no, I never said they won't do a remaster. I've been pretty clear that I just think your posts repeatedly assuming that it was secretly completed, is secretly in development, or will be done for sure later, all sound like reaching based on almost nothing. I think it's absolutely possible, but also improbable to the point where your assumptions and convictions are not reasonable.
shinobi602
Member
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Wat?
And if it's being shown now, that kinda gives credibility to the hip hop gamer thing no?
Sounds horrible.
shinobi602
Member
naples please.
BrassDragon
Member
Awkward dancing animation confirmed.
DOWN
Banned
How does a playable build = yes to the exclusivity rumor?
what's happening?
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
It doesn't.
I just thought that it was weird that HHG would suddenly come out with some new info about ME, which ordinarily would be easily dismissible because it was out of the blue.
But if at the same general time span, ME is being shown to others, kind of makes me think he didn't just make it up.
Not definitive either way, just a thought.
Won't effect me TOOO much considering I have an XBO/PS4 and PC. But I would rather play the game on PS4 due to better hardware.
I'd highly encourage you to actually play Citadel. The whole plot of it is kinda ridiculous actually but it's also self-aware about it and it's intentional. And it results in much of the absolute most charming and hilarious moments Mass Effect has ever had. It truly made me feel like Mass Effect is at its best when it doesn't take itself too seriously.
prag16
Banned
This exclusivity theory is and always was batshit crazy. The most extreme case would be exclusive DLC, and even that would surprise me.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
What HHG thing?
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
This exclusivity theory is and always was batshit crazy. The most extreme case would be exclusive DLC, and even that would surprise me.
Hope you're right.
He said it is an Xbox One Exclusive.
shinobi602
Member
Developers have internal review milestones all the time. It's not being shown the public.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Gotcha. Misread the tweet as I don't follow who works where.
Thanks for the clarification. Carry on, I'm just ignorant.
No it doesn't. I don't like to rant especially about Mass Effect and the ending of ME3, but every time someone shouts about how great the Citadel DLC is I just feel I have to step in and correct them.
I fucking HATE the Citadel DLC and I don't consider it canon, which clearly the team creating it didn't think. ME3's ending is so goddamn bad that people froth at the mouth of the Citadel DLC because it actually gave them a little bit of what the ending didn't, some character resolution. However, I refuse to accept this half-assed attempt to rectify the obvious screw up of the endings. First of all there is the RIDICULOUS premise, "Hey, Shepard millions of humans are dying here on Earth and I'm moving from position to position in the hopes that the Reapers don't pin point my location and destroy the sole leadership organizing Earth's defense. Communications are spotty and limited but I just had to message you. Listen, the rent on my apartment on the Citadel is a BITCH, and I can't let that pad go to waste. For the love of God please take time out of trying to save us from the Reapers and chill out at my apartment. Also, I almost finished writing my autobiography before the Reapers attacked would you mind overlooking it and offering some notes while your there, I conveniently left it scattered around my apartment. And, make sure the cleaning lady didn't steal any of my shit! Anderson. Ou... what do you mean the Reapers found us? This is an important communication..."
Yeah...
Alright, so let's just flow with that ridiculous premise but just when you think it can't get any stupider we are introduced to, dun dun dunnnnnnnnn CLONE SHEPARD! What?! WHAT?! I know this is supposed to be funny but did the writers understand how fucking drastic a premise this is? It completely flies in the face of all science within the ME universe and in addition introduces a new scenario that should drastically shake Shepard, psychologically, to the core. Think about it, you've just been confronted with the fact that a Clone of you exists after having come back from the dead. This is probably the most drastic thing that can ever happen to a person, does this mean you are not really you? What makes you, you? Are there more clones of you? Etc. But, Shepard just shrugs it all off and laughs, no big deal let's take him down.
But wait there's more, this retard Clone Shepard wants to take over your life because he feels he is better suited to fight the Reapers (because why not?), and not only that he has support from that stupid Ex-Cerberus spy. How? Why? Why would he be better at fighting the Reapers? Why does this Cerberus agent support him? What? Shepard is a single man, his only benefit is his ability to create alliances with the other races, HE ISN'T EVEN IN CHARGE OF THE ALLIANCE FLEET! Who the fuck would ever follow a crazed, humans only, Shepard? Nothing about the plot or the motivations of the characters make any sense, and nobody seem to take any of it seriously.
This is actually a big part of the DLC, no body fucking gives a shit, it's all one big party. Every single one of your party members crack jokes about the events, talk like it ain't no big deal, and basically go right up to breaking the fourth wall as they constantly joke about in-game mechanics, both past and present. The entire plot is basically a parody spin-off of Mass Effect, BUT IT TAKES PLACE DURING THE REAPER WAR!
And that right there is why I seriously HATE the Citadel DLC, because it tries to offer resolution in the middle of the game. You see I could accept a zany, wacky, funny, non-canonical spin off DLC if it occurred after the end of the game. But, Citadel basically tries to shoe horn in, what everyone and their mother knows, what's at the core of the problem with ME3's ending and stick into middle of the plot where hundreds of millions of people are dying daily from the Reaper Invasion. It's sickening. Not just because Shepard and co. are partying up while people are dying seemingly oblivious to events outside of their bubble. No, it's sickening because it shows that BioWare was consciously aware of the problem with the end of ME3 and rather than change the ending to fix it they tried to "give people what they wanted" without "compromising" the original ending. So now you get that final embrace with Miranda and your bro hugs with Garrus, but it's all still before the ending. And, therein lies the same problem, at the end of the day all that feel good crap in Citadel ultimately makes no difference, Shepard is dead (probably) and none of your characters get a proper resolution post-ending.
Screw Citadel DLC, fuck that shit off of a massive mass accelerator weapon so hard that it creates a Second Great Rift Valley on the planet Klendagon.
Poodlestrike
Banned
FTFY
Sorry but I don't get the reference. Can anyone succinctly clarify?
Keep in mind I am still waiting for the NF2K revival which was also rumored by, HHG.
Citadel is my favorite DLC of the series.
#2 Overlord (Ending was great, but wasted opportunity to punish Paragon choices.)
#3 Bring Down the Sky (Ending was great, but wasted opportunity to punish Paragon choices.)
Citadel is my favorite DLC of the series.
#2 Overlord (Ending was great, but wasted opportunity to punish Paragon choices.)
#3 Bring Down the Sky (Ending was great, but wasted opportunity to punish Paragon choices.)
JeffG
Member
What reference?
He is having a meeting with his boss about the new game and he says it feels like a Mass Effect game.
So that means in his opinion they captured the same feeling as the Original games.
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
prag16
Banned
Pretty much. What an angry angry post, for no reason. Half the stuff the game has you do doesn't fit with the supposed sense of urgency, so something like the Citadel DLC isn't a massive leap. And the plot, sure it's silly, but it's DLC and not every game needs to take itself so deathly seriously all the time.
He had to "correct" us. He can have fun with his minority opinion, and that's fine. He's entitled to it. However he isn't "correcting" shit.
Poodlestrike
Banned
It was definitely the "correcting" line that got to me, like everyone who likes Citadel is objectively wrong and he's just popping in to let us know.
Thanks for the support.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but Citadel is just plain bad.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Hyperzephyrian
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Hawkeye 131
Member
Like others have mentioned I doubt there's any sort of MS/XB1 exclusivity with ME4, I could see some kind of exclusive or timed DLC/pre-order bonuses on XB1. Worst case scenario is another Rise of the Tomb Raider 'esque timed exclusivity type deal where MS helps EA & BioWare with development, marketing and advertising in turn for a period of time where the XB1 version launches before the PS4 and PC versions.
I sincerely hope that's not the case but the possibility does exist however small. In the meantime I'm not too concerned, I'd rather them take their time and deliver a great game. I'm sure we'll get more info soon maybe from the Devs on twitter or a small press release or leak but I am expecting some juicy details come E3. A trailer, possible release window (my guess being Q1 2016 on PC, PS4 & XB1), and maybe a short demo or MP beta for those who buy SW: Battlefront this fall.
Just my two cents!
I sincerely hope that's not the case but the possibility does exist however small. In the meantime I'm not too concerned, I'd rather them take their time and deliver a great game. I'm sure we'll get more info soon maybe from the Devs on twitter or a small press release or leak but I am expecting some juicy details come E3. A trailer, possible release window (my guess being Q1 2016 on PC, PS4 & XB1), and maybe a short demo or MP beta for those who buy SW: Battlefront this fall.
Just my two cents!
The worst outcome of this kind of deal would be that the game would be developed for (the most) inferior hardware.
PC should always be the lead platform. Downgrading for consoles is always possible.
DOWN
Banned
RIP Rise of the Tomb a Raider exclusively on 360 and XBONE 10 months from now. Weaker hardware party, mixed with cross gen two years into the new gen. Sounds like a tech disaster.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
After the "Bioware is terrible" thread last week, I had to go back. It's been said for years by some very annoying vocal posters that ME1 had the potential and ME2/ME3 is dogshit.
Playing them all, this week on a binge, and now ME3 with the DLC, I feel completely different. ME3 is a fantastic game. The lack of impact by your galactic-readiness and choices in the end, remains a disappointing, but with the extended cut and the Levithan DLC? Man, I liked the conclusions of the 3 endings I did (control reapers, destroy all synthethics, don't do anything). The Javik companion is amazing, and the Omega DLC was a fun diversion. Nothing beat the Citadel DLC. Wow. By the end I was like 10,000% more invested in the character. I really got into my romance. Very, very well done.
I feel completely different. To me, ME1 doesn't hold up. On gameplay, the shooting is terrible. I find the leveling, the loot and inventory systems annoying and distracting. The cover system is seriously flawed, the lack of hit detection is abysmal. The level design on planets like Feros was terrible.
To me, ME1 is still amazingly visually with texture mods. It holds up very well. The thing that shocked me, was how much worse the story is. Or more specifically, Saren and Benezia. My god, the writing is so much better in 2 and 3.
Getting angry over a simple plot in 2 and 3 (suicide mission & uniting races) doesn't matter when the characters are vastly superior. You make 3-4 good choices in ME1 that draw you in, but on the flipside, every single squad member is boring and underdeveloped in ME1. Kaiden and Ashley both take the helm as drier-can-be, and Tali/Ashley/Liara/Joker becomes so much more in the other games.
To me, ME2 and ME3 really shines because of the character, and The Citadel DLC really showed that this is Biowares stride. To me, I don't care about a story if I don't care about the characters, but I can enjoy a story even if it has a simple set up but great characters.
I'm surprised how great Mass Effect 3. It's not just the DLC, or even the extended cut. I think also by playing them all 3 in sucession, you feel it a lot more, what they tried going for. I almost gave up after ME1. I'm glad I continued.
It's really too bad that more games rides to the occasion and try to make games with branching stories and choices.
I think in terms of the ending, it wasn't a minority - I've honestly never seen a backlash like that, and Biowares response (free ending, then Citedal) seems to indicate it was something bigger than usual.
But the stuff against ME2 makes me laugh - voted game of the year here and other places, sold tons, still holds up really well, some of the best character writing bioware has ever done and people rant that its not an RPG because you can't bound around a bland grey landscape and then explore an identical cardboard box warehouse for a piece of gear thats 1 point better than your current stuff.
Me2 is honestly one of the best things Bioware have ever done in my opinion, and I've been playing their games since the year dot. In terms of actual *role playing*, rather than buggering around with numbers and items and stats, the character arcs they started in ME2 and finished in Me3 (Mordin, Thane, Legion, Samara) are the best things they have written.
But the stuff against ME2 makes me laugh - voted game of the year here and other places, sold tons, still holds up really well, some of the best character writing bioware has ever done and people rant that its not an RPG because you can't bound around a bland grey landscape and then explore an identical cardboard box warehouse for a piece of gear thats 1 point better than your current stuff.
Me2 is honestly one of the best things Bioware have ever done in my opinion, and I've been playing their games since the year dot. In terms of actual *role playing*, rather than buggering around with numbers and items and stats, the character arcs they started in ME2 and finished in Me3 (Mordin, Thane, Legion, Samara) are the best things they have written.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Agreed. ME1 < ME2/3. I think the writing holds up pretty well, but that's basically it. The reason why you see what seems like a lot of people venerating ME1 and bashing ME2/3 is because the only people still talking about it are the ones who were disappointed in the direction the series went after the first game; more action-oriented with a greater writing focus on character drama over plot. Everybody else (i.e. those who liked the games) stopped talking about it, but those bitter ME1 fans rage on.
Cranberrys
Member
I really enjoyed the original vanilla ending of Mass Effect 3, I finished my first playthrough around 2 am one night and I was nervously crying as the credits roll. Even if I'm glad that BioWare offered the extended cut with the refusal option (based on how I played Shepard, it's my favorite choice). Before that, I went with Destruction on both my FemShep & MaleShep. I never saw the other endings and don't plan to but Destruction and now Refusal are the most meaningful to me.
But, what amazed me the most is how I fell in love with this trilogy. I play videogames since I was a teenager (and I'm 40 now) and I truly love many games past & present, but Mass Effect is something else, more profound I guess. I can't really explain. I'm not saying these games are perfect or anything, I can perfectly hear the complains about the ME3 ending (when they are argued and not blind rage) but, on a personal level, it doesn't matter, I was deeply moved. The first time I complete Mass Effect 3, I really felt heartbroken, I was unable to play anything else, so I spent almost an entire year playing the trilogy over and over, and no other game made me feel this way to such an extent.
I never suspected it. I remember seeing the original Mass Effect at a Microsoft press event in Paris - I was a marketing guy for a french video games retailer back then - and being hooked by the slick art and the accurate sci fi universe.
I bought the collector edition on launch day but due to heavy traffic in gaming that year, I played it late december. Come to think of it, it was a good move on my part. Discovering the game as the new year rises was a great omen. And I fell in love with it, big time. In fact, it was like discovering video games for the first time all over again. It was pure magic. When you grew up watching over and over your Star Wars movies in VHS, reading sci fi novels, playing Mass Effect is like traveling into your own childhood dreams. I spent an entire hour making my Shepard and I went hunting down Saren and the Geth. Man, what an adventure this was. In these long january winter nights, especially in Paris, playing Mass Effect reminded me of my student years when I went back home for the Christmas holidays for extended gaming sessions while my mom was so happy to have her son around that she spent her time cooking all my favorite food. It's funny how some games can trigger forgotten and warmhearted memories.
But, what amazed me the most is how I fell in love with this trilogy. I play videogames since I was a teenager (and I'm 40 now) and I truly love many games past & present, but Mass Effect is something else, more profound I guess. I can't really explain. I'm not saying these games are perfect or anything, I can perfectly hear the complains about the ME3 ending (when they are argued and not blind rage) but, on a personal level, it doesn't matter, I was deeply moved. The first time I complete Mass Effect 3, I really felt heartbroken, I was unable to play anything else, so I spent almost an entire year playing the trilogy over and over, and no other game made me feel this way to such an extent.
I never suspected it. I remember seeing the original Mass Effect at a Microsoft press event in Paris - I was a marketing guy for a french video games retailer back then - and being hooked by the slick art and the accurate sci fi universe.
I bought the collector edition on launch day but due to heavy traffic in gaming that year, I played it late december. Come to think of it, it was a good move on my part. Discovering the game as the new year rises was a great omen. And I fell in love with it, big time. In fact, it was like discovering video games for the first time all over again. It was pure magic. When you grew up watching over and over your Star Wars movies in VHS, reading sci fi novels, playing Mass Effect is like traveling into your own childhood dreams. I spent an entire hour making my Shepard and I went hunting down Saren and the Geth. Man, what an adventure this was. In these long january winter nights, especially in Paris, playing Mass Effect reminded me of my student years when I went back home for the Christmas holidays for extended gaming sessions while my mom was so happy to have her son around that she spent her time cooking all my favorite food. It's funny how some games can trigger forgotten and warmhearted memories.
Black Mantis
Member
Whilst I think ME2 is the all round best in the series, you're being way to harsh on those who hold up ME1. Things like Mako exploration, elevator rides, more dynamic combat scenarios (you could tell when you were going to fight in the sequels), should have been developed further, rather than gutted, as they really helped set the tone of the universe imo.
Nah, I think he's spot on. There are a number of very loud, very angry people who post in every Bioware thread and complain about how ME2 ruined the series. It goes well beyond a dislike of things or the trajectory of the series - it's practically an obsession with some people.
My view as well. ME2 still stands as my most disappointing game ever, but it's also a good game.
Basically it wasn't what I wanted and it turned the series away from what I hoped it could be, but I can also appreciate what it is.
EarsOfASnake
Member
I really enjoyed ME2 and I adjusted to the direction it took. But it did lose the cohesive world/universe feel that the original had but I can see why they removed those things.
Poodlestrike
Banned
My wording might be harsh, but honestly I don't think I'm being unfair. You can't have an ME thread without at least a half-dozen posts on the first page talking about how the series was RUINED FOREVER after ME1. That says bitter and angry to me.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
I really do love how I wasn't disappointed with ME2 at all.... it's quite brilliant.
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