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[kruis]

We have all grown up without AI tools, we can appreciate the ways AI can make life or our job easier. But it's scary to think that future generations are going to rely on AI for EVERYTHING. We used to be afraid that children wouldn't know how to do maths once calculators arrived on the scene, or how internet search engines would make kids rely on Google instead of their memory, but AI is going to make it so much worse.

We've already started banned phones during classes, we've become increasingly aware of the dangers of social media for children, so that's another ban. Bans on the use of AI by school age children will be not far off.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

News at 11: this is the main and real purpose of AI: The ultimate clown factory.

It's unbelievable that so many people trust that a tool created by transhumanist psychos is for the good of humankind. Insanity.

 

[Bojji]

News at 11: this is the main and real purpose of AI: The ultimate clown factory.

It's unbelievable that so many people trust that a tool created by transhumanist psychos is for the good of humankind. Insanity.

They created it for their own good obviously.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

We've already started banned phones during classes, we've become increasingly aware of the dangers of social media for children, so that's another ban. Bans on the use of AI by school age children will be not far off.

It's already here, universities are already using or will roll out AI-detection platforms to check if the students' work is really their own. Smart parents that from the beginning taught their kids not to rely on AI will see them prosper, everybody else will me moping floor at McDonald's.

 

[YCoCg]

Sounds like the kid is using it right, schools are wasting time teaching kids to write poems and other shit, let the AI do it so the kids can focus on what really matters.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

There’s a difference between wrote copying and using a calculator or computer as a force multiplier, but still understanding how to do the work and to be capable of it. I was a lazy kid and would absolutely do this to get the homework over with while paying as little attention as possible. The real question is when tested without AI, is she still able to answer correctly?

I do agree putting some of these basic tasks on autopilot isn’t a good precedent though.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Sounds like the kid is using it right, schools are wasting time teaching kids to write poems and other shit, let the AI do it so the kids can focus on what really matters.

There is something called "intellectual curiosity" or "intellectual capability". This is very European opinion but - school should not be about making you the perfect drone to increase shareholders' value.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

The real question is when tested without AI, is she still able to answer correctly?

You know the answer to this question.

 

[MaestroMike]

AI depriving kids of socializing and connecting with their smarter peers and copying their HW answers smh

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Sounds like the kid is using it right, schools are wasting time teaching kids to write poems and other shit, let the AI do it so the kids can focus on what really matters.

I want to believe this is irony. If not, that's the best way to grow future retarded generations.

All the information is available online, so why exercise our brains? Easy answer: so our brains have RULES and FILTERS to organize our thought process, so we don't believe the first bullshit we read online o hear on the news.

Studying philosophy, rhetoric, maths, and other languages is more important than ever because that is what keeps us from becoming monkeys with iPhones. Writing also helps, be it poems, novels, or a diary. It energizes your brain, something that AI preachers want you not to do. They rather have you swipe right, like, and subscribe.

 

[YCoCg]

There is something called "intellectual curiosity" or "intellectual capability". This is very European opinion but - school should not be about making you the perfect drone to increase shareholders' value.

I want to believe this is irony. If not, that's the best way to grow future retarded generations.

All the information is available online, so why exercise our brains? Easy answer: so our brains have RULES and FILTERS to organize our thought process, so we don't believe the first bullshit we read online o hear on the news.

Studying philosophy, rhetoric, maths, and other languages is more important than ever because that is what keeps us from becoming monkeys with iPhones. Writing also helps, be it poems, novels, or a diary. It energizes your brain, something that AI preachers want you not to do. They rather have you swipe right, like, and subscribe.

Being "curious" and writing poems doesn't help you secure and maintain a job in the real world, kids shouldn't be wasting their time on that crap, teach them how to do taxes, keep on top of bills, etc.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Being "curious" and writing poems doesn't help you secure and maintain a job in the real world, kids shouldn't be wasting their time on that crap, teach them how to do taxes, keep on top of bills, etc.

You don’t need a lot of time to teach that, a few hours will suffice.
Yes, “writing poems” as you put it exercises your brain, which is crucial to stimulate you and make you come with new ideas.
People will “keep their jobs” due to innovative ideas, not learning about menial tasks that AI is going to take away anyway.

 

[poppabk]

My kids teacher left their chatGPT prompts in the homework they gave out.
So we have teachers asking AI to make the questions and then kids asking chatGPT to answer them.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Makes sense. In the future we will forget how to read and write, then we will forget how speak and will communicate using chips.

 

[Musashipan]

Yep
Soon we will be replaced by robots with ai

 

[Mistake]

You could cut 80% of time in school, and it might actually be a total net benefit. The way teaching is done is outdated, so using AI to save time is probably the smartest approach at this point.

In your example, I get the importance of introducing how different math is done, but honestly, I haven't had to use anything that complicated outside square feet in the last 10 years. So what's the difference between having a calculator and a more advanced calculator? Unless some bombs go off and we're reduced to the stone age, the average person doesn't need to know this stuff anymore. What we should be doing is finding what every person has a talent for and let them live it out, not wasting their life sitting around a classroom

 

[Mr Blobby]

Schools are still trying to work out how to work AI into the classroom and education. Some I know have a zero tolerance, some embrace it completely. Fair enough if you have no idea about how to solve something or want clarification, but not even making an attempt to use your brain doesn't sound like the next generation of STEM graduates.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Computers are critical to life today and that was criticized, I think they need to market AI better, and that it will help in the end.

 

[Valonquar]

So basically it's going to be The Time Machine future where everyone wears togas and does nothing but eat and fuck while books crumble to dust on the shelves. Mole men will occasionally eat some of them, but they won't really care much.

 

[El Muerto]

This sounds more like bad parenting than anything else. Dont stick your kid in front of a tablet. Teach them stuff. Also, it's a reddit post so i doubt this is real anyway.

 

[Hugare]

Just like the calculator made learning math obsolete, right?

I've learned tons from using ChatGPT. It's giving you the answer, but also teaching you how it solved it. You just have to observe and pay attention.

The girl in OP's example may learn from repetition.

 

[bender]

The same could be said for the wide adoption of the internet.

 

[Unknown?]

This is why I use ublock to filter out AI responses to searches. You start relying on it and eventually you believe whatever it tells you. Much like a search engine btw.

I'll do my own research.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

You could cut 80% of time in school, and it might actually be a total net benefit. The way teaching is done is outdated, so using AI to save time is probably the smartest approach at this point.

In your example, I get the importance of introducing how different math is done, but honestly, I haven't had to use anything that complicated outside square feet in the last 10 years. So what's the difference between having a calculator and a more advanced calculator? Unless some bombs go off and we're reduced to the stone age, the average person doesn't need to know this stuff anymore. What we should be doing is finding what every person has a talent for and let them live it out, not wasting their life sitting around a classroom

Logic. Foundational stuff like algebra, basic calculus, etc - there's not a lot of utility to those in and of themselves. But having to learn it teaches you how to reason, how to figure out something you don't fully understand and test different approaches, etc. That logical ability translates to a lot of subjects that are relevant. You have to begin that somewhere, and it takes time and effort to build on it.

The problem isn't that kids are offloading drudgery, it's that they're offloading any sort of thought beyond base impulses.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

In your example, I get the importance of introducing how different math is done, but honestly, I haven't had to use anything that complicated outside square feet in the last 10 years.

This is an example why the approach "just teach kids how to do their jobs" is flawed - the greatest benefit of math is to instill in kids logic and logical reasoning. Yes, you might not need that squared equations in real life, but that's not the point. It all adds up to critical thinking, checking the sources, logical thought process, etc.

I will give another techbro example - Blinkist, the app that provides you a 5-minute summaries of books. Great, right? Except it ignores all the research saying that by reading we integrate the knowledge better. So yes, reading that 300-page book will take you more time than reading a summary, but the core concepts will stay much better and will be remembered.
Another example - writing by hand. Research again showed that if we rite by hand we write slower, but because of that we think more about what we write, thus we retain more information. This is in direct opposition to everyone saying "let's just have computers at school, nobody writes by hand anymore". That's not the point.

 

[EekTheKat]

I still find it oddly fascinating that there are AI generated Youtube shorts with comment sections populated entirely by an army of bots.

Also from what I understand, AI trained on AI generated content results in jibberish - which when paired with people who take AI generated content as gospel could lead to some weird next level dystopian society coming. This is not even considering the possibilty of AI being trained to lie or deceive.

 

[Mistake]

Logic. Foundational stuff like algebra, basic calculus, etc - there's not a lot of utility to those in and of themselves. But having to learn it teaches you how to reason, how to figure out something you don't fully understand and test different approaches, etc. That logical ability translates to a lot of subjects that are relevant. You have to begin that somewhere, and it takes time and effort to build on it.

The problem isn't that kids are offloading drudgery, it's that they're offloading any sort of thought beyond base impulses.

Yeah, that's why I think it's good to touch upon it, but I don't think math has helped critical thinking skills as much as you and I hoped. I also don't think sitting around learning formulas helps reinforce the idea either. But back more on topic, AI is just another tool. I don't see it being much different than any other new technology we get

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Sounds like the kid is using it right, schools are wasting time teaching kids to write poems and other shit, let the AI do it so the kids can focus on what really matters.

Did you get ChatGPT to summarize the OP for you?

You could cut 80% of time in school, and it might actually be a total net benefit. The way teaching is done is outdated, so using AI to save time is probably the smartest approach at this point.

In your example, I get the importance of introducing how different math is done, but honestly, I haven't had to use anything that complicated outside square feet in the last 10 years. So what's the difference between having a calculator and a more advanced calculator? Unless some bombs go off and we're reduced to the stone age, the average person doesn't need to know this stuff anymore. What we should be doing is finding what every person has a talent for and let them live it out, not wasting their life sitting around a classroom

IDK man, I can see how it may be useful to know how many hours there are in a day.

 

[Mistake]

Did you get ChatGPT to summarize the OP for you?


IDK man, I can see how it may be useful to know how many hours there are in a day.

Well yeah, that's something I use every day. But calculus? Come on man. We all know we'd rather just ask an AI to figure it out

 

[Aces High]

We've seen these discussions with every new form of media since ancient Greek times. See Media Panic.

In the end, media always makes dumb people dumber and smart people smarter.

I'm a big fan of LLMs because they encourage dialectic reasoning in users. You can have a back-and-forth dialogue on complex topics that will lead to much bigger insights than just reading. Thesis + antithesis = synthesis. It encourages critical thinking by design. No other medium can do that.

Reading complex books with AI is a joy. One of my favorite books, 'The Secret Teachings of all Ages' by Manly P. Hall., requires high levels of cognitive involvement. It's not easy because it delivers semantics on so many different layers. With AI, I can discuss difficult passages until I understand them. You can download the book for free on the official CIA.gov website, btw. Reading Hawking with AI support is cool as well.

 

[Haint]

These kids are going to be prompt wizards by the time they're out of school and will be firing millions of you cause they'll be able to do your job in 30 seconds. Better start saving for that Kia Forte now so you can deliver their food and groceries.

 

[GymWolf]

I'm almost happy that chatgpt is blocked in italy...

 

[tamago84]

just read a wsj article on tablet impact on students..to be honest im glad i didnt go through this and the ai phase as a kid. I do use chat gpt for some occasional baseline python script on job tho

 

[GymWolf]

Makes sense. In the future we will forget how to read and write, then we will forget how speak and will communicate using chips.

Why waiting? Let's start now.

Try to guess what am i trying to tell you:

 

[IDKFA]

LLMs are tools that have their benefits, but overuse does have negative impacts.

A friend of mine uses Chat GPT to write all his correspondence. Letters to school for his children, covering letters, emails to his bank, complaint letters etc.

The problem is, he's now so used to using Chat GPT that he's admitted that he no longer has the ability to write correspondence on his own. He's tried, but he's so used to Chat GPT doing it for him that when he recently tried he was juat staring blankly at his laptop screen for 20 minutes before giving up.

That's a problem I'm sure a lot of people have. They use AI so much that they forget how to do basic skills such as writing a formal email.

 

[DKehoe]

LLMs are tools that have their benefits, but overuse does have negative impacts.

A friend of mine uses Chat GPT to write all his correspondence. Letters to school for his children, covering letters, emails to his bank, complaint letters etc.

The problem is, he's now so used to using Chat GPT that he's admitted that he no longer has the ability to write correspondence on his own. He's tried, but he's so used to Chat GPT doing it for him that when he recently tried he was juat staring blankly at his laptop screen for 20 minutes before giving up.

That's a problem I'm sure a lot of people have. They use AI so much that they forget how to do basic skills such as writing a formal email.

It's worrying that can happen in such a short space of time. And to an adult too, not just kids who have grown up not doing anything else.

 

[Trilobit]

On the other hand, kids who don't become fluent in using AI tools will not be able to have the same amount of output in their worklife as those who are. So the best of worlds will be to be able to think, contemplate and use AI.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Homework is probably pointless now. Why bother wasting teacher time grading AI generated responses.

I guess the only way forward is for the teachers to use AI to mark the work.

And then just skip the middleman and have one AI ask another AI to do homework and then mark it. The results of that homework will be assigned to a student and they'll be assigned a job based on that. If your AI is diligent, you can probably get a career asking an AI if it's ok to give a loan out to people. If the Ai is less diligent, you'll maybe have to go work mining for silicon to make new AIs.

If one class ends up with lots of high performing AI powered students the teacher should get a bonus.

 

[RagnarokIV]

It's a reddit post so it's a fake story. Also the person is just as retarded because their writing is terrible, gives me a headache trying to read that bullshit.

 

[GymWolf]

Well shit, chatgpt is not locked anymore in italy...


How does this thing works? Did i just ask stuff in simple english?

Edit: pretty easy to use, i asked if there is hope for an infamous sequel but my dude seems way too optimistic.

I think there’s definitely hope for an Infamous sequel! The franchise has a loyal fanbase, and its blend of open-world gameplay with moral choices has been highly praised. While there hasn’t been any official word from Sucker Punch recently, the success of the series’ previous installments—especially Infamous: Second Son—shows that there's still a lot of potential for a new game. The PlayStation 5's hardware and potential for bigger, more dynamic worlds also offer a great opportunity to push the series to new heights.

Do you think they’ll continue with the story of Delsin Rowe, or would you like to see a return of Cole MacGrath or a new character?


I thought chat was smarter with all the clues it has on the internet, it should know that an infamous sequel is extremely unlikely.

Are the answers always soo generic and optimistic?

 

[ClanOfNone]

You could cut 80% of time in school, and it might actually be a total net benefit. The way teaching is done is outdated, so using AI to save time is probably the smartest approach at this point.

In your example, I get the importance of introducing how different math is done, but honestly, I haven't had to use anything that complicated outside square feet in the last 10 years. So what's the difference between having a calculator and a more advanced calculator? Unless some bombs go off and we're reduced to the stone age, the average person doesn't need to know this stuff anymore. What we should be doing is finding what every person has a talent for and let them live it out, not wasting their life sitting around a classroom

I agree, public education needs an overhaul from top to bottom. I can only speak for Florida, but the public education apparatus down here was shit when I went through it 30 years ago, and it’s even worse now with my daughters in it.

 

[Embearded]

I was supervising an intern recently at work and noticed he had every major AI open in a different tab, asking for code implementation or stuff that he could find in manuals and datasheets. To be honest this is unacceptable for me and i would never recommend such a person to get hired.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

These kids are going to be prompt wizards by the time they're out of school and will be firing millions of you cause they'll be able to do your job in 30 seconds. Better start saving for that Kia Forte now so you can deliver their food and groceries.

Don't make me laugh

They might be able prompt, but I doubt they could change a sink washer. Not to worry though, they'll be charged £200 for the pleasure

 

[Mistake]

I agree, public education needs an overhaul from top to bottom. I can only speak for Florida, but the public education apparatus down here was shit when I went through it 30 years ago, and it’s even worse now with my daughters in it.

My school wasn't terrible since we had tech classes and stuff like wood, metals, and engines/engineering. But I could still cut half of it and be just fine. My last two years of school were boring as hell. You can probably get your kids in a good college by 16 homeschooling, especially in florida since I know their requirements are low

I was supervising an intern recently at work and noticed he had every major AI open in a different tab, asking for code implementation or stuff that he could find in manuals and datasheets. To be honest this is unacceptable for me and i would never recommend such a person to get hired.

I actually agree with this since AI isn't developed yet and is basically a glorified search engine

 

[Embearded]

My school wasn't terrible since we had tech classes and stuff like wood, metals, and engines/engineering. But I could still cut half of it and be just fine. My last two years of school were boring as hell. You can probably get your kids in a good college by 16 homeschooling, especially in florida since I know their requirements are low

I actually agree with this since AI isn't developed yet and is basically a glorified search engine

It goes beyond that.
A young engineer should not rely on AI or search engines doing the search for them.
Searching for the solution to a problem or the answer to a question by reading manuals is a learning process that leads to wider knowledge. By searching for A you will read something about B and C.

 

[Mistake]

It goes beyond that.
A young engineer should not rely on AI or search engines doing the search for them.
Searching for the solution to a problem or the answer to a question by reading manuals is a learning process that leads to wider knowledge. By searching for A you will read something about B and C.

Oh I didn't read the job was in engineering. Yeah the whole point is to be creative, not cut and paste stuff. If I was in charge I'd buy him a fat boot with a get well card

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Homework is probably pointless now. Why bother wasting teacher time grading AI generated responses.

Just wait till the exam time where you need to provide not only the solution but also outline your logic. Fun times ahead.

 

[Elog]

This is the aspect of Frank Herbert's Dune that most people miss. The regulation and general ban on AI in his future was not primarily due to a Skynet like scenario. It was because AI crowded out the mental training that humans need to develop. We became dumb and that led to a downward spiral for humanity.

I would argue that Frank Herbert's threat scenario is by far the most plausible one. And as with most of these threats the problems will be massively uneven in distribution. Most will become dumber while a small group will be able to simply just use the positive productivity increasing aspects of it. As a society though, that spells trouble.

 

[Sakura]

If they still have tests then I'm not sure it matters if they are using Chat GPT on homework or not.

 

[AJUMP23]

Speak for yourself Moran.