The Office: Final Season |OT| It's better to burn out than it is to rust

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Yup. The whole thing is pretty laughable when you consider the distance. People travel an hour or two into Toronto for work everyday. It's not ideal but not unheard of.

They have spent a heap of time building up some very real relationship issues. Didn't you see Pam struggle to put the bins out one morning?

You don't just brush something like that terrible experience off. I bet she brought some grass into the house whilst doing it too. Guess who wasn't there to help pick that up?
 
I wish Jim and Pam would get divorced after something major happens, I think it would tie up their relationship on a much better dramatic level (and more realistic) than 'working it out' (which always translates to Jim losing his balls/doing what Pam wants and he'll go back to Scranton.)

I think it's much more interesting for the show to involve the formation and death of such a long relationship rather than portraying them as the perfect couple which they have done for so many seasons now. Their arguments are tedious and forced. They had an opportunity to do something real by making either Jim or Pam cheat on the other but instead stuck with stupid shit like not being able to find a babysitter.

The actor who plays Gabe has great comedic chops; better than much of the cast. Lots of people seemed to dislike the character, but for me, he was always one of the bright spots in the otherwise disappointing seasons he was part of.

I found the character to be incredibly funny, along with Ryan when he turned into a douche. Robert California/Gabe/Erin/Ryan were the funniest people on the show to me once Michael left. I thought the season after he left was still very good.
 
Isn't Pam being a bit irrational? Jim has a better job and actually enjoys what hes doing. What exactly is back at Scranton?

She didnt take a job because she didn't want to do the same job for 10 more years and has no opportunities/experience to do anything else.

Gets mad at and discourages her husband for moving out into a way better job that is literally his dream job.

What the fuck Pam?
 
She didnt take a job because she didn't want to do the same job for 10 more years and has no opportunities/experience to do anything else.

Gets mad at and discourages her husband for moving out into a way better job that is literally his dream job.

What the fuck Pam?

I really hope he calls her out about having a fake and made up job.
 
Yup. The whole thing is pretty laughable when you consider the distance. People travel an hour or two into Toronto for work everyday. It's not ideal but not unheard of.

I think the implication is that Jim would be putting in insane hours because the business is still a start up, so commuting may not be practical at this early stage for him.
 
He played a private detective in House MD.

Ahhh, Thanks. I do remember him from House. Also, Garden State which i saw again a few weeks ago

The actor who plays Gabe has great comedic chops; better than much of the cast. Lots of people seemed to dislike the character, but for me, he was always one of the bright spots in the otherwise disappointing seasons he was part of.

Gabe's character has always been pretty funny to me. He played an equally hilarious and awkward character in The League.
 
Wasn't too big on the episode, but I can get that I'm in the minority

Think my head slammed right into the table as they did the cutaway to pam explaining that boss was a michael
 
I think the implication is that Jim would be putting in insane hours because the business is still a start up, so commuting may not be practical at this early stage for him.

And no matter what chance at financial success he has, Pam can't leave her....wait why can't Pam leave again?
 
Damn, Pam is turning into such a bad character. Serious uncalled for bitch.

Husband is trying to better himself and the family and she is making it harder at ever turn.

If this is the way her character is being developed then I'm kind of glad this is the last season.

Introducing the Camera Crew is a bad idea I think, The whole "lets have the camera man and Pam have a weird love connection thing is shit. It took seasons for Jim and Pam to get together and if they are going to ruin it like this then fuck them.

It would be nice to see Ryan and Michael return for an episode.

The episode was fine if a little slow. Dwight and Angela story is kind of interesting.

Pam has been horrible as a GF/Wife also

Leaves for 3 month to go study art
Leaves Dunder Mifflin to work for Michael Scott Paper A obviously doomed business
Joins DF again as a commission based sales agent when she sucks at sales and could of likely had the receptionist job
Invents fake and unsecure job role
Bitches about Jim's new and potentially very high paying job
Has some kind of intimate connection with Camera Guy
 
I wish Jim and Pam would get divorced after something major happens, I think it would tie up their relationship on a much better dramatic level (and more realistic) than 'working it out' (which always translates to Jim losing his balls/doing what Pam wants and he'll go back to Scranton.)

I think it's much more interesting for the show to involve the formation and death of such a long relationship rather than portraying them as the perfect couple which they have done for so many seasons now. Their arguments are tedious and forced. They had an opportunity to do something real by making either Jim or Pam cheat on the other but instead stuck with stupid shit like not being able to find a babysitter.
Please consider that while statistics do show that over 70% of men admit to having cheated on their wives, that doesn't mean that it's "unrealistic" for Jim and Pam's marriage to endure. Some couples do, in fact, "work it out" on a regular basis and go through the types of arguments you consider tedious and forced. For me it's actually refreshing to see that portion of the married population portrayed. It may not have been dramatically satisfying for you, but to me it has been. Had they gone the "cheating" angle, to me it would have felt forced.
 
Damn, Pam is turning into such a bad character. Serious uncalled for bitch.

Husband is trying to better himself and the family and she is making it harder at ever turn.

If this is the way her character is being developed then I'm kind of glad this is the last season.

Introducing the Camera Crew is a bad idea I think, The whole "lets have the camera man and Pam have a weird love connection thing is shit. It took seasons for Jim and Pam to get together and if they are going to ruin it like this then fuck them.

It would be nice to see Ryan and Michael return for an episode.

The episode was fine if a little slow. Dwight and Angela story is kind of interesting.

Pam has been horrible as a GF/Wife also

Leaves for 3 month to go study art
Leaves Dunder Mifflin to work for Michael Scott Paper A obviously doomed business
Joins DF again as a commission based sales agent when she sucks at sales and could of likely had the receptionist job
Invents fake and unsecure job role
Bitches about Jim's new and potentially very high paying job
Has some kind of intimate connection with Camera Guy

*applause*

Not to mention the sacrifices Jim made like passing on Jane's job, could have easily banged that girl in Miami, breaking up with Karen, bought her a house, and supported her through all her failures.
 
Damn, Pam is turning into such a bad character. Serious uncalled for bitch.

Husband is trying to better himself and the family and she is making it harder at ever turn.

If this is the way her character is being developed then I'm kind of glad this is the last season.

Introducing the Camera Crew is a bad idea I think, The whole "lets have the camera man and Pam have a weird love connection thing is shit. It took seasons for Jim and Pam to get together and if they are going to ruin it like this then fuck them.

It would be nice to see Ryan and Michael return for an episode.

The episode was fine if a little slow. Dwight and Angela story is kind of interesting.

Pam has been horrible as a GF/Wife also

Leaves for 3 month to go study art
Leaves Dunder Mifflin to work for Michael Scott Paper A obviously doomed business
Joins DF again as a commission based sales agent when she sucks at sales and could of likely had the receptionist job
Invents fake and unsecure job role
Bitches about Jim's new and potentially very high paying job
Has some kind of intimate connection with Camera Guy

Goddamn, I forgot about a lot of those. Puts things in perspective.
 
Goddamn, I forgot about a lot of those. Puts things in perspective.

She's been annoying me too, but keep in mind all of this was done before they have kids. Having two young kids at home while your spouse is out trying to start a completely new career is extremely stressful. At the same time, its only two hours away. They really could just move an hour away from Scranton and each drive an hour to work. This plot line is just screaming that they will split and reconcile during the premier of the show when they watch how they fell in love. That's my season finale prediction.
 
Please consider that while statistics do show that over 70% of men admit to having cheated on their wives, that doesn't mean that it's "unrealistic" for Jim and Pam's marriage to endure. Some couples do, in fact, "work it out" on a regular basis and go through the types of arguments you consider tedious and forced. For me it's actually refreshing to see that portion of the married population portrayed. It may not have been dramatically satisfying for you, but to me it has been. Had they gone the "cheating" angle, to me it would have felt forced.

Fair point, I agree if they did the cheating it would've been predictable, I just find it to be more interesting so I wanted it to happen.

Leaves for 3 month to go study art
Leaves Dunder Mifflin to work for Michael Scott Paper A obviously doomed business
Joins DF again as a commission based sales agent when she sucks at sales and could of likely had the receptionist job
Invents fake and unsecure job role
Bitches about Jim's new and potentially very high paying job
Has some kind of intimate connection with Camera Guy

lol I forgot about most of this.
 
She's been annoying me too, but keep in mind all of this was done before they have kids. Having two young kids at home while your spouse is out trying to start a completely new career is extremely stressful. At the same time, its only two hours away. They really could just move an hour away from Scranton and each drive an hour to work. This plot line is just screaming that they will split and reconcile during the premier of the show when they watch how they fell in love. That's my season finale prediction.

But who will be filming this reconciliation?
 
But who will be filming this reconciliation?

They said in an interview that
we will start to see how the show airing will affect the cast
so I assume they will still be filming afterwords. I don't know about the premier watching, but I do think The Office will end up reuniting Jim and Pam.
 
michael scott will call at some point and be like "pam, moving to place with holly was the best thing that ever happened to me. *short speech*"

and then pam will move to philly and they'll be happily ever after and then holly willl burn her foot on a george foreman
 
Re-watched the ending and Pam really is a bitch.

Pam - Even if it was a great boss with a great job....I don't know if i want this...I really liked our lives in Scranton
Jim - and i just started a business in Philly
Pam - *shrug* Sucks for you (written all over her face)

How selfish can you be?

But on the flip side, If i had a 40k cush job that i scammed myself into. I probably wouldn't want to leave either.
 
Just watched the last episode. Surprisngly very funny! Found myself laughing a lot. One of the best of the season imo. Andy has been terrible for me to watch this season, but his assholeness actually brought a lot of laughs this episode.
 
BTW who is this guy on the bottom right? trying to remember where i've seen him before
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He was also in Horrible Bosses, he was the dental nurse that Jennifer Aniston was trying to rape.
 
this episode made one thing clear to me

bob odenkirk should have been steve carrel's replacement.

also pam sucks, i hope jim gets fed up with her and ditches her, she doesn't deserve shit.
 
this episode made one thing clear to me

bob odenkirk should have been steve carrel's replacement.

also pam sucks, i hope jim gets fed up with her and ditches her, she doesn't deserve shit.
I love bob o but the last thing this show needed was Michael Scott 2.0. Shame the writers didn't realize this and expand what the show has to offer instead
 
To be fair to Pam, Jim did go out and invest 10 thousand bucks into this company without telling her, and then went on to try and hide it.

THAT should have been the giant wedge between them, and would have fit better into the current problems they are having than Pam just not wanting to move from Scranton. But the show sort of brushed over it, and we are (I think?) being led to believe that the company actually has great potential.

This storyline could have been handled a lot better, and they actually put into place the ingredients to do so, instead it's just Pam being sentimental or whatever, bleh. Maybe they are still trying to do that and we just haven't seen it yet, I remember when Jim initially put up the funds a lot of people were wondering whether it was just going to be some huge scam, but they don't appear to be going down that route and we've had relatively few hints in regards to something like that happening, especially with Jim meeting guys like Doctor J.

Still, if they go down the "Michael Scott as the savior of Pam and Jim" route...I still may end up happy about it. Pretty sure that Michael used to consider himself the "cupid" of their relationship, they can certainly get some decent gags out of that aspect.
 
Here's my theory.

1) Jim and Pam fight and separate.
2) The show airs
3) Jump forward a bit with a follow-up documentary format
4) Michael Scott comes back and brings Jim and Pam back. Happy ending.

Similar to Christmas Special of The Office
 
Here's my theory.

1) Jim and Pam fight and separate.
2) The show airs
3) Jump forward a bit with a follow-up documentary format
4) Michael Scott comes back and brings Jim and Pam back. Happy ending.

Similar to Christmas Special of The Office
I vaguely recall reading that Carrel isn't coming back for the finale.
 
Creed should have been the Scranton Strangler. Would've made sense seeing as he's pretty much admitted killing before. Going from gag character to actual serial killer would have made for one of the show's biggest highlights.


Pam is definitely selfish, but Jim is about as dumb. How many times now has he rejected, ignored or relinquished exec/manager positions? He goes from fully complacent sales job to all-in high risk startup with his own money and family livelihood on the line. For a so-called norm character, he has very unrealistic behavior.
 
Pam is definitely selfish, but Jim is about as dumb. How many times now has he rejected, ignored or relinquished exec/manager positions? He goes from fully complacent sales job to all-in high risk startup with his own money and family livelihood on the line. For a so-called norm character, he has very unrealistic behavior.
I don't see it that way. Jim has been established as a passionate sports fan since the series began. It's also been shown that he's always treated Dunder Mifflin as a stopgap and never wanted it to become his "career."
 
I guess I don't fully understand why Pam wants to stay in Scranton. I know of the murial, but unless that takes a year to do, I don't think it's been conveyed why she wants to remain there (though I have missed an episode or two, so this may be a gap on my part).

If she was just straight-up assertive that she doesn't want to uproot the kids and such, I can see it. Although all of these things should not have been a surprise. What did she think would happen if the company took off?

And I think that's what she needs to say to ground this - have Pam straight up tell Jim she didn't think his venture was actually going to work out so she never really believed they would have to move to Philly.

As someone stated earlier, all of the ingredients for a good and tough strain on their marriage are there, but the writers have not been using them well enough. Edit: Kitschkraft

But angry Andy is good Andy. What a great portrayl.

Also - The Farm spin-off seemed thematically like it would have like a sitcom you'd see in the early 90's. Not today. Glad it was nixed.
 
Last episodes have been real good, i am getting that old office feel here...its ironic that these episodes feel better than the new community season
 
I guess I don't fully understand why Pam wants to stay in Scranton. I know of the murial, but unless that takes a year to do, I don't think it's been conveyed why she wants to remain there (though I have missed an episode or two, so this may be a gap on my part).

If she was just straight-up assertive that she doesn't want to uproot the kids and such, I can see it. Although all of these things should not have been a surprise. What did she think would happen if the company took off?

And I think that's what she needs to say to ground this - have Pam straight up tell Jim she didn't think his venture was actually going to work out so she never really believed they would have to move to Philly.

As someone stated earlier, all of the ingredients for a good and tough strain on their marriage are there, but the writers have not been using them well enough. Edit: Kitschkraft

But angry Andy is good Andy. What a great portrayl.

Also - The Farm spin-off seemed thematically like it would have like a sitcom you'd see in the early 90's. Not today. Glad it was nixed.

It's a simple matter of her thinking she wanted something but ultimately realizing she pretty much doesn't. Just up and moving isn't something you can just do. Her friends, her job, etc are all in Scranton. I live in NY and while I kind of hate it sometimes and would prefer to live in Vancouver, I'd still be hesitant to just leave. Especially if it's a follow the leader situation.
 
It's a simple matter of her thinking she wanted something but ultimately realizing she pretty much doesn't. Just up and moving isn't something you can just do. Her friends, her job, etc are all in Scranton. I live in NY and while I kind of hate it sometimes and would prefer to live in Vancouver, I'd still be hesitant to just leave. Especially if it's a follow the leader situation.

I'm sorry, I must have missed the scenes where she was actually misgiving about the idea of moving to Phili (my DVR missed the two episode block week before last). I was under the impression she missed him and it was hard, but she expected to one day move down there.

That makes more sense. Although she was a bit flippant at the end of the episode, I'm sure that could be way of her trying to assert herself in this mostly one-sided situation.
 
Re-watched the ending and Pam really is a bitch.

Pam - Even if it was a great boss with a great job....I don't know if i want this...I really liked our lives in Scranton
Jim - and i just started a business in Philly
Pam - *shrug* Sucks for you (written all over her face)

How selfish can you be?

But on the flip side, If i had a 40k cush job that i scammed myself into. I probably wouldn't want to leave either.

I take it you are not married or in a long-term relationship...

Anyway, finally cuaght this one and the one from last week, and I loved them both. I'd been putting off watching because I was busy, but I was also dreading them. But they were really good.
 
Apparently, The Office doesn't return until April 4th, and will air the 8 remaining episodes without any further breaks.
 
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