abstract alien
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Its always going to be personal, some just deal with it in different ways.agrajag said:
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The Official UFC 100 Discussion Thread
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Joe Rogan's take on the Buffer 360
Boogie said:
So he get's it easier because their are less worthy people in his weight class. Cool, some crappy LHW should put on 100 kgs, fight in a league with super heavy weight and be king of the universe.
When thinking about pound for pound best in the world you need to consider recent performance vs overall performance, finished fights vs decisions, calibre of opponents, etc.
Seems like you need to consider a few more elements before you make your call.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
agrajag said:
I never said they should.
But they shouldn't be trying to sell their fight with fake animosity either because I don't give a shit and it's insulting to my intelligence.
Don't say a bunch of stupid prickish things in the first place and you won't have to take them back. If you're going to say shit mean and stick with it like Brock did.
mujun said:
Funnily enough, we weren't talking about Pound for Pound. In fact, in the exchange that started this argument you conceded him as "Pound for pound one of the best if not the best in the world, sure, unbeatable, no".
There is no point in criticizing Fedor's record as a heavyweight if no other heavyweight on Earth has a record that can compare to his.
You can't criticize the quality of his opposition, if no other heavyweight has a better list of defeated opponents. Anybody whose own list might compare (say, perhaps, Nog, Crocop, Barnett, Sylvia) has already lost to Fedor, or will shortly (Barnett).
This seems pretty intuitive to me.
If we're talking pound for pound, then sure, by all means, compare records across weight classes. But that wasn't brought up in our exchange originally.
I made a specific request, which, I assume, you are unable to do, from your sidestepping of it.
I don't see how anyone could deny Fedor's skills after having seen a couple of his matches. I'm rewatching a bunch of his old fights to refresh my memory. I concluded he's certainly a true mixed martial artist and a very impressive one at that.
Aside from that I also like his attitude in the ring. He seems very respectful. But there's something about the look in his eyes before the fight starts that seems so strange. He seems so calm and stuff it's weird... and interesting. He never looks angry or anything.
Aside from that I also like his attitude in the ring. He seems very respectful. But there's something about the look in his eyes before the fight starts that seems so strange. He seems so calm and stuff it's weird... and interesting. He never looks angry or anything.
Kabuki Waq
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agrajag said:
did you miss the whole countdown show where he made is training partner pretend to be brock and knock him out with one punch :lol
or when he mocked brock punches comparing them to his sister pulling his hair?
or when he mocked Brocks training and skills?
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
agrajag said:
When did I say that Mir said anything he would have to take back?
Kabuki Waq said:
Yeah, I watched the countdown. None of that stuff is really a big deal. And he actually talked about their first fight realistically, giving a good analysis of what was going on in the cage. Let me repost this one more time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS7pEk0fJOk
He was a lot more respectful before the fight than Brock.
mujun said:
Kay.
But he is the King of MMA.
Right. Because, right now, empirical evidence is that he is unbeatable. He has never been beaten. He has beaten everyone that has been put in front of him. And that resume is the best resume that exists at heavyweight. Hence, King of MMA.
sooperkool
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Boogie said:
I don't know how anyone can disagree with this...
abstract alien
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Lmao Mir had every bit of that ass whooping and post fight rape coming.alr1ghtstart said:
http://www.m-1global.com/lang/en/20...-rutten-i-dont-think-youll-see-me-in-the-ufc/
Interesting new Bas interview with Fedor. Doesn't care at all about building his legacy and just wants to be remembered as a good person. Considers MMA to be 100% a mental game. Says Mirko, Nog, and Arlovski were his toughest or most interesting fights. Says he doesn't watch many MMA matches, and has mainly just been watching Barnett's fights recently. Says that Brock would be an interesting opponent for him but that he doesn't think the UFC is in his future, with the terms they insist on and the manner in which they approach him.
When he says that being friends with Barnett isn't going to interfere with the fight, holy shit do I believe him!
Interesting new Bas interview with Fedor. Doesn't care at all about building his legacy and just wants to be remembered as a good person. Considers MMA to be 100% a mental game. Says Mirko, Nog, and Arlovski were his toughest or most interesting fights. Says he doesn't watch many MMA matches, and has mainly just been watching Barnett's fights recently. Says that Brock would be an interesting opponent for him but that he doesn't think the UFC is in his future, with the terms they insist on and the manner in which they approach him.
When he says that being friends with Barnett isn't going to interfere with the fight, holy shit do I believe him!
Jsmooth161
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fedor is a beast
Sinatar said:
I hope that wasn't aimed at me. I've been watching MMA since I first came to Japan in 97. I've watched every UFC, Pride, Sengoku, Dream and most of the other major stuff like Strikeforce, Cage Rage, etc.
I've seen every one of his fights and while I agree he is a probably the pound for pound the best in the world I wouldn't call him the king of MMA. That is subjective, don't try and pass it off as anything otherwise.
mujun said:
That doesn't make a gawdamned lick of sense. Fedor being pound for pound the best in the world is arguable and subjective, based upon the nature of "pound for pound" lists, and how you "weight" different factors such as apparent skill level, well-roundedness, the strength of competition in a fighter's respective division, etc.
Him being the King of MMA is not subjective. In fact, it is the least subjective statement that can be made in MMA. Fedor is the undisputed, unbeaten, Heavyweight champion of the world in MMA. What else could the title "King of MMA" refer to, other than that?
abstract alien
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Hmmmm. To be completely honest, Im not familiar with him in any way outside of his ring destruction. Im interested to know more of what he means exactly. Is he a really grounded guy? It seems so from this snippet.EviLore said:
mujun said:
Well, duh. It pretty much means that he is, objectively, the best fighter in the world. The "King", you might say. That's why weight classes exist. Because for however awesome GSP is, he would not win against Fedor. Because if he could beat Fedor, he wouldn't be fighting at 170lbs.
I don't know how you're not getting this.
mujun said:
King means the absolute top. No one other than Fedor can be at the absolute top because they can't beat Fedor. As Boogie said, Pound for Pound is different and can be argued but this can't be. Arguing against Fedor being king of MMA is like arguing Michael Jackson isn't the King of Pop.
For one thing Fedor sees competing in Sambo as a source of national pride, UFC doesn't want let their fighters compete in anything other than the UFC. Not to mention they could drop him at anytime, for whatever reason, but if he were to be the champ he's basically stuck in his contract which would auto-renew.abstract alien said:
GSP blog about UFC100, http://stpierre.yardbarker.com/blog/StPierre/UFC_100_Notable_Moments/808571, got so drunk he forgot his name :lol
abstract alien said:
He thought the way the UFC approached him was a little "disrespectful" iirc, something to do with Dana White's comments about how Russians do business (which was more about his management than Fedor himself). Add to that that they were demanding that he sign something like a 3 or 4 fight timed contract which wouldn't let him compete in the world sambo comps and basically the deal fell apart with both sides blaming the other.
On one hand I can see where Dana is coming from. He wants UFC fighters fighting only in his organization, it for one assures the quality of the matches to some degree as they can dictate the pace they fight at and the opponents they face.
On the other hand Fedor is one of the top fighters in the world and him fighting any UFC heavyweights would certainly draw big PPV numbers, he isn't in a position where he has to bow to anybody's demands and doesn't seem to give a shit about the prestige either at the end of the day.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
This will only be the second time I've rooted for Fedor. The first being when he fought Timmay.
Check out this Fedor video.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVVrNOQtlzY
Ninja Scooter
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if punching in the balls were legal i think i could beat Fedor.
Boogie said:
Okay, now you are in my books coming across as very ignorant. Each weight class should be considered separately from each other weight class.
Are you honestly trying to tell me that if somehow Hong Man Choi became the heavyweight champ with his record and skills and then someone like Torres down at bantamweight had a record of 80 wins to 1 loss (his real record by the way is better than Fedor's, he's at 37-1) that Choi would still be the "King of MMA"?
I don't even know where this King of MMA thing came from, I know you brought it up but it sounds arbitrary and like marketing hyperbole to me.
mujun said:
Ignorant? Explain to me how I am being ignorant.
Mike Brown is champion at 145lbs because he could not be champion at 155lbs. BJ Penn is champion at 155lbs because he can't be champion at 170, etc., etc. all the way down the line. (though I salivate at the possibility of GSP challenging Silva, or Silva challenging the best at 205, of course. And yes, I know that BJ was briefly WW champ)
Apart from the impossibility of that scenario, yes. Because the Heavyweight champion is where the buck stops.
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