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The Official UFC 100 Discussion Thread

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Boogie

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Zeliard said:
Ah, gotcha. I wonder why GSP doesn't get that same treatment at this point. Not a big enough draw?
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GSP definitely made a couple mill last night. Believe.

Timedog said:
Like you've been doing page after page in this thread?
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Apart from my drunken outbursts immediately after the event, what the hell are you talking about?

My boy won his fight, in dominating fashion. I'm thrilled as fuck.
 
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AkuMifune

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Sinatar said:
Until he's actually beaten, with 30 wins he is unbeatable. You don't seem to grasp how far ahead of the curve Fedor actually is.
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Blagoi Ivanov is a Sambo practioner who won the 2008 Combat Sambo World Championships in Saint Petersburg, Russia.

He notably defeated four-time World Combat Sambo Champion and the world's consensus top heavyweight mixed-martial arts fighter Fedor Emelianenko in the semi-finals on November 16, 2008.
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Does this not count because it was limited to Sambo? And how good is this guy?

I'm not being facetious, I'm just really not aware.
 
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Sinatar

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AkuMifune said:
Does this not count because it was limited to Sambo? And how good is this guy?

I'm not being facetious, I'm just really not aware.
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Blagoi is actually making his MMA debut soon so I guess we'll get to see. Keep in mind though, Sambo isn't MMA.
 
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Boogie

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AkuMifune said:
Does this not count because it was limited to Sambo? And how good is this guy?

I'm not being facetious, I'm just really not aware.
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Sambo is not MMA. That's like counting someone losing a BJJ match against his MMA record. Or kickboxing. Or whatever.

Sambo is basically amateur jacketed MMA, but the scoring system, time limits, etc, are all different. A Sambo match is, what, maybe 5 minutes long? So Fedor lost one 5 minute Sambo match on points. And after basically flying to the competition from a movie shoot, and not training for the competition. So the fuck what?

Fedor also lost in Judo. He only won 3rd place in the 1998 Russian national Judo championship. doesn't mean shit to MMA.
 
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Zeliard

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AkuMifune said:
Does this not count because it was limited to Sambo? And how good is this guy?

I'm not being facetious, I'm just really not aware.
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In MMA, Fedor is 30-1-1. That lone loss came from him being cut in the first 20 seconds of a fight by an illegal elbow. In any MMA organization worth their salt, that would have either been ruled a no contest or a disqualification win for Fedor.

Rings is dogshit, so he was actually given the loss, despite the fact that the elbow he was hit with was illegal. Fucking stupid, yes? Everyone agrees - Fedor is widely considered to be undefeated in MMA. He also then went on to destroy that same guy several fights later, to put a stamp on it. That no contest came from an accidental headbutt versus Nogueira, who he ravaged in two other fights.

As far as that Sambo loss, that was the first and only time Fedor's lost a Sambo tournament since 2000, and he fights in them every year. Considering that's something he essentially does in his spare time when others would either be taking vacation or training for their next MMA fight, it's quite a feat.
 
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AkuMifune

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Hah. Yeah I just watched the match and see what you guys mean. It's not even close. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in MMA though.
 
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mujun

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Sinatar said:
Until he's actually beaten, with 30 wins he is unbeatable. You don't seem to grasp how far ahead of the curve Fedor actually is.
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Hardly the highest caliber of competition though. For every Nogeira, Sylvia, etc there is a Zulu, Choi, etc. Compare his record to that of GSP for example and you could easily argue he is lacking.
 
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Zeliard

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polyh3dron said:
Wow, Mark Coleman got paid more than Mir before the bonus and that fight wasn't even shown on TV. Poor Mir.
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Mir apparently ended up getting $2 or so for each PPV buy due to main event status, so he made out huge in the end.

The one guy who got really fucked over is Paulo Thiago. Hardly a big name at all, but the guy was on television on the main card and somehow only got $8k. Several fighters on the preliminary, non-televised card got more.
 
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SolidSnakex

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A total of 13 fighters from this past Saturday's UFC 100 event have been issued mandatory medical suspensions.
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Frank Mir: Suspended until Sept. 10 with no contact until Aug. 26 for precautionary reasons

Georges St. Pierre: Must have groin injury cleared by an orthopedic doctor. Otherwise, suspended until Jan. 8. Even if cleared, suspended until Aug. 11 with no contact until Aug. 2 for precautionary reasons.

Thiago Alves: Suspended until Aug. 11 with no contact until Aug. 2 for precautionary reasons

Michael Bisping: Suspended until Sept. 10 with no contact until Aug. 26 for precautionary reasons

Yoshihiro Akiyama: Must have left orbital fractured cleared by an ophthalmologist. Otherwise, suspended until Jan. 8. Even if cleared, suspended until Sept. 10 with no contact until Aug. 26 for precautionary reasons

Stephan Bonnar: Suspended until Aug. 11 with no contact until Aug. 2 for precautionary reasons

Mac Danzig: Suspended until Sept. 10 with no contact until Aug. 26 due to a head laceration

Jim Miller: Must have right shoulder and clavicle X-rayed and cleared by a doctor. Otherwise, suspended until Jan. 8

Jake O'Brien: Suspended until Aug. 11 with no contact until Aug. 2 for precautionary reasons

T.J. Grant: Suspended until Aug. 2 with no contact until July 26 for precautionary reasons

C.B. Dollaway: Suspended until Aug. 11 with no contact until Aug. 2 for precautionary reasons

Matt Grice: Suspended until Sept. 10 with no contact until Aug. 26 for precautionary reasons

Shannon Gugerty: Must have lower back pain cleared by a doctor. Otherwise, suspended until Jan. 8
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http://mmajunkie.com/news/15501/ufc...s-groin-injury-requires-doctors-clearance.mma
 
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Zeliard

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This really is the perfect time for GSP to bulk up and get ready for Silva. He could not have asked for a greater opportunity to do that at this time.
 
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Timedog

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MrOctober said:
I feel the exact opposite.
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You also claimed you were going to stop drinking coors light after Brock Lesnar had some insane outburst. That was puzzling to say the least.

The internet tough guy elitism crap needs to stay on Sherdog IMO.
 
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Zeliard

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Sinatar said:
Only if he isn't cleared by a doctor. It's a broken orbital though, so it'll be a few months at least.
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Yeah, his left eye looked terrible later in the fight. Broken orbital, though? Yikes.
 
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Sinatar

Official GAF Bottom Feeder
Zeliard said:
Yeah, his left eye looked terrible later in the fight. Broken orbital, though? Yikes.
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It's a really common injury in MMA. You want to see some crazy shit watch Nick Diaz vs. Takanori Gomi, Gomi shatters both of Diaz's orbitals in that fight, brutal stuff.
 
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Zeliard

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Sinatar said:
It's a really common injury in MMA. You want to see some crazy shit watch Nick Diaz vs. Takanori Gomi, Gomi shatters both of Diaz's orbitals in that fight, brutal stuff.
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I remember Diego Sanchez crushed Karo Parisyan's orbital and Karo tried to pretend it was an eye poke in later interviews. :p
 
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MrOctober

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Timedog said:
You also claimed you were going to stop drinking coors light after Brock Lesnar had some insane outburst. That was puzzling to say the least.

The internet tough guy elitism crap needs to stay on Sherdog IMO.
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I was also going overboard for the sake of going overboard. I don't drink at all.
 
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agrajag

Banned
UFC: Frank Mir Embarrassed by Brock Lesnar's Post Fight Tirade
Monday, July 13, 2009


Frank Mir may have lost to Brock Lesnar the rematch at UFC 100 but he appears to have won the public after Lesnar went on a tirade of spit and trash-talking. And despite Lesnar's apology for being a sore winner, he remains embarrassed and unimpressed.

During the UFC post fight celebration, Lesnar flipped off an aggressive crowd which had been booing the decision, buried the PPV's primary sponsor Bud Light, promoting Coors Light instead, and implied he would have sex with his wife after the show. Later, he apologized for his actions in his post-fight press conference after UFC head Dana White scolded him for vamping like a WWE wrestler.

"That's like: You steal a guy's bike, your dad kicks your ass, and then you apologize only because your dad kicked your ass. How genuine is that? I don't buy it," Mir told Reviewjournal.com's Doug Elfman.

Evidently, Lesnar, 32, went into the match with a chip on his shoulder. Mir, 30, had beat Lesnar in February 2008. During the UFC 100 event, Lesnar wouldn't tap gloves with Mir before the bout. That's disrespectful, though Mir calls it "no big deal." Lesnar beat Mir in two rounds, and Mir gave him props. However, once the referee stopped the fight, Lesnar yelled in Mir's bloody face.

"When I stood up, and he's screaming, it took me a few seconds to realize [what Lesnar was doing]" Mir said.

Mir is already planning to train for a "rubber match" rematch. He's presently doing power lifting to boost his weight and close in on Lesnar.

"If I can just nail that gap to even 10 pounds, it'll be a different fight next time," Mir said. "Hopefully next time, I'll show him how somebody is supposed to act in victory."
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I personally would like to see another fight between those two. I think Mir could pull an upset if he really does bulk up enough to not be smacked around like a bowling pin by Brock.
 
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Zeliard

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polyh3dron said:
DO IT GSP
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Man, I would have no idea who to root for if/when GSP vs Anderson Silva materializes. GSP, maybe, since he would be a big underdog in that fight. Nobody is giving him a chance in hell of beating Silva, which is understandable considering how physically large Silva is for his weight class.
 
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polyh3dron

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Bitter Tears Mir, holy fuck. He's every bit as guilty as Brock for playing up the drama into some WWE shit talking about "You've got my belt".
 
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agrajag

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polyh3dron said:
Bitter Tears Mir, holy fuck. He's every bit as guilty as Brock for playing up the drama into some WWE shit talking about "You've got my belt".
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Every fighter trash talks before the fight. But the vast majority of them are gracious in victory and in defeat. Brock is really a poor sport.
 
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Zeliard

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polyh3dron said:
Bitter Tears Mir, holy fuck. He's every bit as guilty as Brock for playing up the drama into some WWE shit talking about "You've got my belt".
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Look at this:

Frank Mir said:
When Lesnar didn’t come after me, that really threw me off. He didn’t land any punches on his feet, did he? I didn’t expect him to run. He ran like a lightweight. … It’s my fault. I should have trained that he would be intimidated from the standup.
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SolidSnakex

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A third Brock vs. Mir fight is very unappealing. Mir has been dominated in both fights aside from the slip up Brock made in the original. Mir just can't handle Brock at all.
 
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polyh3dron

Banned
lol Mir

"It's not my fault that he was fighting like a scared little bitch... oh wait he won"

Is Mir TRYING to make Brock look like the relative good guy here, because he's doing a great job at it.
 
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agrajag

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Oh, I'm not arguing that at all. It's Mir that was intimidated if anything. But he did try to do something early in the second round, he didn't do shit in the first. This is just him trying to rationalize what happened and save face. I really don't see anything surprising about his comments..
 
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Zeliard

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He needs to be honest with himself or the guy will never improve. If he seriously thinks he can just pack on weight and fight Brock again and that's gonna make some huge difference, he is kidding himself. You can't be a great martial artist without admitting your weaknesses and then shoring those holes up.
 
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agrajag

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http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/ca...-beatable-Four-who-have-a-shot?urn=mma,176151

Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:06 am EDT

Is Brock beatable? Four who have a shot
By Maggie Hendricks
After Saturday's dismantling of Frank Mir at UFC 100, Brock Lesnar seems pretty comfortable at the top of the UFC heavyweight division. Though his career in the UFC has been short, he has beaten two champions, Randy Couture and Mir, in a convincing manner. His size and strength will be a tough obstacle to overcome, but not impossible. Who can do it?

Fedor Emelianenko: If there is anyone who can take out Lesnar, it's the Russian fighter Emelianenko (pictured). He is at the top of the Yahoo! Sports pound-for-pound rankings for good reason. With a 30-1 record, he has beaten fighters of every size, including the 7'2" Hong Man Choi and 6'8" former UFC champion Tim Sylvia. In January, he knocked out another former UFC champion, Andrei Arlovski, in the first round. In fact, he hasn't had a fight get past the first round since a win over Mark Coleman in 2006, which lasted until the second round.

Emelianenko's biggest obstacle in beating Lesnar isn't in the cage, it's actually getting him in the cage. He is signed with rival promotion Affliction for a fight with Josh Barnett in August. Fans have wanted Fedor in the UFC for years, but contract negotiations have gone nowhere between the groups. After the fights on Saturday, Dana White said that Emelianenko will be in the UFC.

"This Fedor thing has gone on and on and on," White said in the post-UFC 100 press conference. "Eventually, Fedor's going to be here. I want Fedor. I want him to come to the UFC and everything else.

"This guy (Brock Lesnar) just won the heavyweight title, and we'll end up getting that deal done. And then we'll do Brock vs. Fedor, and it'll be a huge fight."

Assuming that the deal gets made, Emelianenko has the best shot of beating Brock Lesnar.

Shane Carwin: How can you mitigate Lesnar's size advantage? By putting him up against someone that's equally as large. That's Carwin -- all 6'3", 262 lbs. of him. His hands are so big that the 4X gloves he wears to fight need to be cut and taped to fit his hands. He can take punishment and still win, as he had a broken nose when he knocked out Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 96. Carwin is also motivated to beat Lesnar, who Carwin thought was incredibly disrespectful after his win on Saturday.

The fans are why we do this, Brock, this sport is not about fat paychecks and drama. It is about hard work and sacrifice for a shot to do what you did last night. It doesn't matter how much money you make if you can't earn your peers' respect and the respect and love of the greatest sporting fans in the world. Every autograph I give, every hand I shake I am thankful that you give me the opportunity to be a part of your world. This is the greatest sport int he world and most of the athletes in it deserve the love and respect they get and some just dont get it. From leaving the venue all the way to the Airport I have had fans of the sport ask me to take out Brock Lesnar for them.

The biggest knock against Carwin is that he is untested, but he is 11-0. He has much more experience than Lesnar. Carwin is slated to face Cain Velasquez, another exciting up-and-coming heavyweight, at UFC 104 in October. If he makes it through that fight, it wouldn't be surprising to see a matchup between Lesnar and Carwin.

Alistair Overeem: If someone of a similar size won't vex Brock, speed will. A fighter who is a champion kickboxer, can cut angles and move quickly? That might the perfect foil to Brock's wrestling and power. That fighter exists in Dutch kickboxer Alistair Overeem.

Overeem faces two problems in overcoming Lesnar. One, he is the Strikeforce heavyweight champion, is fighting for them on August 15, and contractually obligated to Strikeforce. Two, he needs to stay on his feet to be able to use high kicks, but as Lesnar showed on Saturday, his takedown is quite effective.

Bobby Lashley: Like Lesnar, Lashley is a fellow WWE veteran and collegiate wrestler. Unlike Lesnar, Lashley is taking the long and winding road to the UFC. He also has four wins, but his competition hasn't been nearly as difficult as Lesnar's. Lashley's biggest advantage is that he and Lesnar are the same size, and both have a strong wrestling background. With those two factors equal, the fight has the potential of being an all-out slugfest.

The problem with this fight is that Lashley doesn't want to fight in the UFC until he is ready to be a champion.

"When I go over there I want to be a top, top level guy," Lashley said. "I want talks of me fighting the champ when I get over there. I want them to say this guy's really good."

Lashley still has a while to go and much to learn before he can walk in and get a title shot. He will need to get a few more fights under his belt before we can see if he is truly ready for the champ.
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Sinatar

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Brian Fellows

Brian Fellows

Pete Carroll Owns Me
agrajag said:
Every fighter trash talks before the fight. But the vast majority of them are gracious in victory and in defeat.
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There is nothing more annoying than fighters that talk all kinds of shit to "hype" a fight then act all lovey dovey afterward.

I'd rather a person act like Brock. Atleast I know he meant what he said.
 
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Norml

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Brian Fellows said:
There is nothing more annoying than fighters that talk all kinds of shit to "hype" a fight then act all lovey dovey afterward.

I'd rather a person act like Brock. Atleast I know he meant what he said.
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I hate that even if I didn't hear trash talk.

BJ licking blood off his gloves and Brock doing his thing is what I want!!!
 
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ItAintEasyBeinCheesy

it's 4th of July in my asshole
agrajag said:
Every fighter trash talks before the fight. But the vast majority of them are gracious in victory and in defeat. Brock is really a poor sport.
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I thought he was very magnanimous in all his other fights, think theres just been shit talking from Mir before the fight and its stirred him up.
 
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Nocebo

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Zeliard said:
Man, I would have no idea who to root for if/when GSP vs Anderson Silva materializes. GSP, maybe, since he would be a big underdog in that fight. Nobody is giving him a chance in hell of beating Silva, which is understandable considering how physically large Silva is for his weight class.
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I would root for the fight itself. I'd want to see a nice back and forth battle with a mix of different skills on display on the ground and standing.
 
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Boogie

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mujun said:
Hardly the highest caliber of competition though. For every Nogeira, Sylvia, etc there is a Zulu, Choi, etc. Compare his record to that of GSP for example and you could easily argue he is lacking.
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Ya, but GSP isn't a heavyweight.

Name a heavyweight with a better resume of opponents, who's never lost.
 
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agrajag

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Brian Fellows said:
There is nothing more annoying than fighters that talk all kinds of shit to "hype" a fight then act all lovey dovey afterward.

I'd rather a person act like Brock. Atleast I know he meant what he said.
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This is a sport. Why should they take things personal?
 
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