AgentP
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I was thinking that, my son's 3600 was $175, this new six core is $299? It's 26% faster in games?
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I was thinking that, my son's 3600 was $175, this new six core is $299? It's 26% faster in games?
ResilientBanana
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my take:
much better perf/watt than Intel
5950XT for $800 is faster as Intel´s $500+ i9 10900K (cpu apps, no shit 10 vs 16 cores)
Disappointing RX6000 performance, if Borderlands 3 4K60 are to be believed. And still no 10core or 20core cpu ...
I'll say it again, just imagine Intel on the 10nm process if they're keeping up with AMD on 7nm. AMD at 5nm will get destroyed as they are finally faster than intel at 14nm.
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The Skull
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I think they compared it to Zen 2. The 2600 being Zen+, it should be much faster.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
450$ is way, way too much.
Total hype deflation =(
Total hype deflation =(
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AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Sorry I meant 3600.
MightySquirrel
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onunnuno
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It was much better than I expected, I did not expect the $50 increase in the 5600X, a 20% increase is way too much tbh.
But I don't get people complaining about the rest of the prices, Intel did it before and everyone was like "it's the best, so they can charge more" and now AMD is doing the same *shocked* and everyone is crying
But I don't get people complaining about the rest of the prices, Intel did it before and everyone was like "it's the best, so they can charge more" and now AMD is doing the same *shocked* and everyone is crying
llien
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Seems like slower than RTX3080 ? Checked Techpowerup for 4k benchmark of Gears 5 and Borderland 3 with the allegedly slowest 3080 (Zotac Trinity)
Well, between 2080Ti and 3080.
Price/power consumption need to be revealed to figure its competitiveness.
Oh and with a twit like RAM size, lol.
It hints at 3080 being last minute A102 fix, also explains weird 10GB size vs AMD's 16GB.
The Skull
Member
I think it's confirmed there are no new mobo chipsets for Zen 3. 400 and 500 series boards should be good to go.
llien
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A comment made when looking at GPU 10fps faster than 2080Ti.
Impressive.
CuNi
Member
Still 10 FPS more on the 3080 with supposed 6GB less VRAM than big Navi just shows that just slapping on more VRAM is not the way to go either.
llien
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Not for that game, indeed.
Kazekage1981
Member
This may not be relevant but did they mention zen 3 supporting:
PCIE Gen 5.0
USB 4.0 Standard
Wifi6e
DDR5 RAM
Latest Bluetooth version
?
PCIE Gen 5.0
USB 4.0 Standard
Wifi6e
DDR5 RAM
Latest Bluetooth version
?
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Well, Zen 4 with potential DDR5 support then. I can wait and there's really no need for me to upgrade until then.
It was much better than I expected, I did not expect the $50 increase in the 5600X, a 20% increase is way too much tbh.
But I don't get people complaining about the rest of the prices, Intel did it before and everyone was like "it's the best, so they can charge more" and now AMD is doing the same *shocked* and everyone is crying
People complained then as well especially for the last 'lake' gen and they will complain now.
None of these are integrated/supported. It's the same platform features as Zen 2.
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Kazekage1981
Member
:/
I guess from my understanding zen 4 will support this in late 2022, but intel seems to be ahead on this, and will support this in 2021.
llien
Banned
Honestly, I re-checked the slides and figures you were commenting on twice.
Are you guys on crazy pills or green reality distortion field is real?
Unknown Soldier
Member
Well I mean shit, my 3900X is already obsolete? I play my games in 4K though, I'm still going to be GPU limited anyways. The IPC uplift is pretty crazy though.
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I guess from my understanding zen 4 will support this in late 2022, but intel seems to be ahead on this, and will support this in 2021.
Those stuff are supported on the chipset - not the CPU.
AMD could release a X670 MB with all those stuff supported AND be able to run a Zen 3.
A Regular Guy
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Good thing Microcenter exist near me
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Haint
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:/
I guess from my understanding zen 4 will support this in late 2022, but intel seems to be ahead on this, and will support this in 2021.
Intel's 2021 desktop CPUs launch in early 2021 (March?) and only add pcie 4.0.
The Hamburglar
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I'm want the 5800x hopefully the uk price will be reasonable
actually not too happy about these prices. I paid £160 for the 2600. The 5600 might be £250 but I want 8 core and $450 dollars is a huge increase.
actually not too happy about these prices. I paid £160 for the 2600. The 5600 might be £250 but I want 8 core and $450 dollars is a huge increase.
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PhoenixTank
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Insane Metal
Member
Hmm. I don't think that's going to happen but we'll see!
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I guess from my understanding zen 4 will support this in late 2022, but intel seems to be ahead on this, and will support this in 2021.
At least PCIe5 and DDR5. We know they'll support 2xUSB4 with their Rembrandt Zen 3 APU, so the desktop Zen 4 will likely have that too. Integrated Wifi and Bluetooth (like on Intel chipsets) seems the most unlikely as they don't have the IP blocks for that internally and would have to license that from someone. You can always get a PCIe/USB Wifi card of course.
notseqi
Gold Member
Probably. Not sure about AM5 though, could be AM4+ as with AM3 and AM3+ which covered DDR2 and DDR3 RAM.
AMD isn't keen on making you buy a board everytime somebody in the engineering department has a heavy lunch. And I thank them for it.
Same memory controller as before (because it's the same IO die), so 3200MHz supported and it should cap out at around 3600-3800MHz with 1:1 fabric clock like before.
3liteDragon
Member
A 19% increase in IPC on the same process node is pretty fucking insane though.
martino
Member
i know you have zero expectation and everything amd do is magic for you but some of us want them to compete more directly with nvidia.
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The nm figure is largely marketing at this point. The actual density appears to be very similar between AMD 7nm and Intel 10 nm, and Intel could even be slightly ahead. Also note that even with Intel's new 10 nm SF process, they're still not able to match the clocks of their 14nm node.
llien
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llien
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AMD is using superior process, but it's not as far ahead as naming imply (7 vs 14nm, yeah, 10xxx are 14nm).
As examination of the chips revealed, AMD's transistors are 22*22nm, while Intel's are 24*24nm.
martino
Member
Why do you expect others to treat you differently than you treat them ?
MaestroMike
Gold Member
Console gamer checking in. Are Intel execs sh!tting their pants right now or are they breathing a sigh of relief after today's presentation ?
Depends on how good Rocket Lake is. AMD should be fine for non-gaming applications though, since the IPC improvement puts them at Tiger Lake levels and they will have more cores.
llien
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And even in the best case, Rocket Lake is half a year away.
Paracelsus
Member
Still no user benchmarks for the 5800x?
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Papacheeks
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I think your logic is backwards. AMD has shown that it is able to be faster than intel's parts at a fraction of the clock speed. Nothing is going over 4.7ghz. ANd it shits on anything intel has currently. Imagine the gains on 5nm process even less TDP for larger IPC gains, better latency, and better memory controllers that will be on their third pCIE GEN4 revision chipset wise.
Manstructiclops
Banned
No, because your situation doesn't exist.