The Player 1 Podcast Topic
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While we're on the topic I stopped listening because of the new dynamic when Ethan became a regular.
Also there is no point in bringing up individual criticisms of Ethan about things I dislike. It wouldn't be fair and even just this makes me feel bad in case it makes Ethan feel bad.
It's a show by people that like each other and talk to each other about things they like and offer it for people to listen to for free.
Now the show makeup has shifted the dynamic from what I think was very fun to listen to, so I don't any more.
This dynamic can be more fun for others and that's fine.
It's certainly more important that all participants are genuine instead of trying to play a persona to appease critics. There are too many options out there.
Also there is no point in bringing up individual criticisms of Ethan about things I dislike. It wouldn't be fair and even just this makes me feel bad in case it makes Ethan feel bad.
It's a show by people that like each other and talk to each other about things they like and offer it for people to listen to for free.
Now the show makeup has shifted the dynamic from what I think was very fun to listen to, so I don't any more.
This dynamic can be more fun for others and that's fine.
It's certainly more important that all participants are genuine instead of trying to play a persona to appease critics. There are too many options out there.
Will still listen to any episode that has Mike Philips on.
Kinda crazy how much negativity we have here just because some people are excited for a upcoming console on a gaming podcast. Sure some discussion has been hit or miss but it's not like every member is sugar coating all Switch critism.
Greg has been quite down on the system and calls out the rest if he feels like it.
This show always has been about the casts opinion and personal touched. So yeah if CJ or Ethan are fucking excited about the system they shouldn't have to defend themselves every episode like they have been funding some alt-right reddit subpage secretly.
People in communities like GAF already tend to get really offended nowadays if not everyone has the same grim outlook on everything like themselves.
I am not listening to a 2h podcast just to have grown men be down and bitching about video games all the times.(not that p1p is about that)
We have new system launches every 4-5 years...let them be excited for the couple weeks prior to a system launch.
Edit:
To be fair I haven't listened to the latest episode yet... But I'm assuming it's more or less the same as always. Greg/Kevin being down on it, CJ/Ethan acknowledging the critsm but still hyped for it while Phil stays out of it because he is laid back like that lol.
Did they bring up any outrageous claims. Like Switch will outsell every system this year or where is this coming from?
Greg has been quite down on the system and calls out the rest if he feels like it.
This show always has been about the casts opinion and personal touched. So yeah if CJ or Ethan are fucking excited about the system they shouldn't have to defend themselves every episode like they have been funding some alt-right reddit subpage secretly.
People in communities like GAF already tend to get really offended nowadays if not everyone has the same grim outlook on everything like themselves.
I am not listening to a 2h podcast just to have grown men be down and bitching about video games all the times.(not that p1p is about that)
We have new system launches every 4-5 years...let them be excited for the couple weeks prior to a system launch.
Edit:
To be fair I haven't listened to the latest episode yet... But I'm assuming it's more or less the same as always. Greg/Kevin being down on it, CJ/Ethan acknowledging the critsm but still hyped for it while Phil stays out of it because he is laid back like that lol.
Did they bring up any outrageous claims. Like Switch will outsell every system this year or where is this coming from?
HamPster PamPster
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I listened to Shane Bettenhausen. I read Shane Bettenhausen. Shane Bettenhausen was a true fan. Ethan, you're no Shane Bettenhausen.
I miss the old days when fanboys were fanmen
I miss the old days when fanboys were fanmen
You can be excited about the Switch and still think plenty of decisions around the Switch are pretty dumb, the marketing and information rollout especially.
Easy Allies (Ex-Gametrailers) has been saying "I'm making the Switch" for months and they are all down to buy one but it still doesn't sound like the audio book version of Nintendo stan posts.
CJ was lovely over the years with his enthusiasm about the Wii U for example.
CLICKCLICK
Member
i must be missing something but did we have official walkthroughs of the OS for the any consoles before? Didin't we always find out about this stuff during the media's review of the hardware?
I don't remember any of the past major systems having an official OS walkthrough video. Regardless, it seems to me like Nintendo isn't addressing it because from what leaked the OS is so simple/barebones that it's not worthy of it's own direct.
As far as the online components, they seem to not think it warrants its own direct until we are asked to pay for it (fall). Similar for virtual console, it seems that there isn't anything ready for launch.
I don't remember any of the past major systems having an official OS walkthrough video. Regardless, it seems to me like Nintendo isn't addressing it because from what leaked the OS is so simple/barebones that it's not worthy of it's own direct.
As far as the online components, they seem to not think it warrants its own direct until we are asked to pay for it (fall). Similar for virtual console, it seems that there isn't anything ready for launch.
I was wondering if anyone remembers this Zelda Breath of the Wild trailer from E3 2014 that ends with '2015' and if that ending meant the full announcement or a possible release date?
OK sure.
But if you are excited for the system and are okay with the information roll out so far or at least not as bothered with it as other people....that should be fine too.
Ethan has been incredible hyped for the system but at the same time he often made it clear that the market might not respond as well to the Switch. So him being extremely biased shouldn't be a surprise at this point since he isn't hiding the fact.
What exactly is the issue with Switch marketing? Did they bring up something specific in the episode he didn't agree with?
SuperPac
Member
Is that a real claim? Because even though I am excited for the Switch, that doesn't sound realistic. When Kimishima said that he thought the Switch had potential to sell as much as the Wii I think I said on the podcast that that was unrealistic. I don't think we've said anything about sales expectations. Except that Ethan doesn't think it'll be a success.
I don't recall seeing a full OS walkthrough but maybe we did. I could see Sony or Microsoft doing that. We still do with major OS updates. But we did get an Iwata unboxing of the Wii U.
randomlyrossy
Member
Yeah not saying that any of you guys claimed something like this. That's why I was wondering where the current uproar is coming from. If you made comments like the one I posted i could understand it but most of the time it seems like not jumping on the "everything is shit" train is enough to offend people. Happened a bunch of times in some Switch GAF threads.
To be honest, I don't think so.
If you look at how the Switch information rollout has been handled and exclude the very nicely pulled off teaser trailer and you then draft up some minutes with lessons learned and you can't come up with a sizeable list then I think you're blind.
And if you now ask me to give examples then I think you must also fall in that category, as even by casual readings of GAF these things are evident, and certainly not all of them are storm in teacups despite the GAF hyperbole multiplier.
What is the mayor issue with the information ? I have all the information I need to make a purchasing decision. This is a 300 dollar gaming console and not a new car I'm buying
If you are still waiting on some information then don't get the system at launch or wait until everything is there.
We really are talking about some minor details yet you are acting as if we don't know anything about the system and Nintendo hasn't shared any type of information.
And yeah screw that mob mentality... So you are saying they should be mad about something that doesn't bother or affect them at all... Because of reasons? No I don't agree with it at all. If something bothers you... Speak up. If you have no issues, that's okay as well.
I don't think there is a common ground of understanding here, if you read me complaining about the information rollout not being optimal and not being able to come up with criticisms as "yet you are acting as we don't know anything about the system."
Sony made a big deal about it at Gamescom 2013. They opened the presser with a demo of the UI.
That said, Nintendo is not Sony. Sony was trying to convince people the PS4 was a worthy successor to Xbox Live.
Microsoft definitely showed off features of the OS for the One ahead of time. Remember "Xbox, Go Home" like he was talking to a drunk.
It is definitely not any different than that. Which is why game companies aren't the only ones who need to learn from their mistakes.SuperPac said:
I remember that. And I remember saying "that will not be out in 2015, because that is not yet a video game."
So your main issue that he didn't agree that the information blow out was less than optimal? Okay I get that.
I never said the information blowout was perfect or that it couldn't be handled better - thr way you phrased it made it seem like there was some big mishandling when it comes to Marketing of the Switch. When in all those are small details in the grand scheme of things. Someone not getting worked up about stuff like this isn't a negative for me, but I can see how straight up ignoring or downplaying the issues can be tiresome.
Ethan hasn't bothered me yet, but I have noticed his aggressive positivity for the Switch.
The one element of the show that bothers me since even the beginning and I have listened to the majority of the episodes is the off-topic banter and (Phil's?) jokes and voices. Please, stop. I beg you please. Otherwise, this is a top podcast for me.
The one element of the show that bothers me since even the beginning and I have listened to the majority of the episodes is the off-topic banter and (Phil's?) jokes and voices. Please, stop. I beg you please. Otherwise, this is a top podcast for me.
SuperPac
Member
Wow, couldn't disagree more. That stuff is why P1P is my favourite podcast. If anything, Phil needs to step his game up with more voices, since he doesn't do them as often as he used to. Skitchin' guy, Bane, Milo, Mickey Mouse -- all of it gold. My personal favourite Phil voice moment was when he read out his NES collection in the Bane voice. Tears were streaming.
I'm at least going to beg to make a guest appearance periodically. (the next time I play a video game)
CLICKCLICK
Member
One more note but Kevin kept saying something along the lines of "the rollout might be fine for those of us in this podcast but Nintendo hasn't learned from their mistakes and they need to show the online services/virtual console/fast OS if they want to get the customers who have been burned by Nintendo for the past 3 generations"
I disagree, if Nintendo wants to get the audience back they need to show the games, their mistake with the Wii U has been poor messaging of what the system does and they have nailed that with the Switch. And they have been good at showing the games as well as presenting their message about the scheduled roll-out (zelda>arms>mario kart>splatoon).
Noone is going to suddenly decide to purchase a Switch in the first month because the OS is revealed to be fast, because friend codes are no longer a thing or because their 3DS/Wii U purchases carry over (not even sure why people are expecting that to happen from Nintendo, maybe going forward, but that's a whole different discussion).
The only thing that could convince someone to jump in is a revamped subscription style service for virtual console like Netflix and that's not happening either because we would have heard of it already.
I disagree, if Nintendo wants to get the audience back they need to show the games, their mistake with the Wii U has been poor messaging of what the system does and they have nailed that with the Switch. And they have been good at showing the games as well as presenting their message about the scheduled roll-out (zelda>arms>mario kart>splatoon).
Noone is going to suddenly decide to purchase a Switch in the first month because the OS is revealed to be fast, because friend codes are no longer a thing or because their 3DS/Wii U purchases carry over (not even sure why people are expecting that to happen from Nintendo, maybe going forward, but that's a whole different discussion).
The only thing that could convince someone to jump in is a revamped subscription style service for virtual console like Netflix and that's not happening either because we would have heard of it already.
Benjamin1981
Member
Phil's jokes and voices are one of the best things about this podcast.
Regarding Ethan: In my opinion he revived the show a little bit when he became a regular. He has good chemistry with the other boys and he actually plays a lot of games. But his blind love for the Switch is really annoying. Nintendos lack of information regarding some key issues is nothing to be naive about and him shrugging off this issue is really getting on my nerves.
World SkiFree
Member
I haven't been following the Switch news at all but is there any concern with the wear and tear from the "switching" of the joycons, etc.? I generally have great faith in Nintendo's hardware but I dunno. I wonder if there will be any issues with the fastening components after extended use.
Whimsical Phil
Ninja School will help you
Just got to say that I really like Ethans contributions to the show. I am so tired of all the negativity/hate towards Nintendo all over the internet, and while there definitely are things to criticize the Switch and its reveal for, I like that Ethan call it out as he thinks - that in the big scheme they are minor compared to 1) the idea and execution of the hybrid and 2) the games. I feel the same way, this is the stuff that matters.
runnin_blue
Banned
Came here to post something similar.
I am loving Ethan's contributions to the show and all the hate shitburgers in here should deal with it or stfu and stop listening.
Also, why the hell is Phil missing so many episodes? What am I paying you FOR?! Lol.
Most of the time their audio quality is at a nice professional level, with proper microphones and whatnot, but sometimes they forget to record their mics so CJ splices together a podcast where one person might have even worse audio quality than Skype: Google Hangouts quality.
Most of the time they are great to listen to, but remember that their Youtube channel has the shitty Google Hangouts audio/video quality.
BlueScrote
Member
Phil's comedy is the glue that holds the podcast together!
I think Kevin has improved as a podcaster so much since he started coming onto P1P. His thoughts on the switch echo how feel. Sewart made really well-reasoned points this episode too
although his opinion on Nintendo will forever be skewed by sega
Phil is probably running around trying to catch the Amiibo thief.
runnin_blue
Banned
Has he done a bunk check in his son's room yet? I mean...he was the first one to the box...
Just saying.
I haven't listened to this week's show (stupid cold means no driving anywhere, means no podcast listening), but unless Ethan's positivity has transformed from "I don't care what happens, I'm going to love this thing until it's dead and buried" into "Nintendo is doing everything right and they're going to succeed and none of their mistakes with this matter," I guess I don't see the problem.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
He called the Zelda season pass "awesome". lol
Neuromancer
Member
Where do you live that it's so cold that you can't drive anywhere?
The PS4 Pro is a *must* for PSVR, it's a huge difference, like going from DVD to BD. I'm surprised by Ethan's lack of interest in it based on this alone.
Also I think Microsoft will do a much better selling Scorpio than Sony did with PS4 Pro. They will market it like a new console, and games will look significantly better on it than on the standard Xbox One. I think the negative online reactions to the rumors of Pro/Scorpio scared Sony a little, but Microsoft has nothing to lose. They're going all in.
Ethan was fine except when he tried to argue that $80 is a fine price for Zelda + season pass because it's a console and portable game in one, and he's paid $100 to get that on PS4/Vita. That was pretty crazy.
Kevin's main complaint seems to be "Nintendo still hasn't revealed this really important thing most people care about, they're crazy", where "thing" is standard 360/PS4 online functionality. I'm not sure I agree with that, I don't think that's important for Nintendo or their target audience.
I play a lot of online multiplayer on PS4 and for my usage I don't think the Wii U lagged behind in any way (well, besides the fact that it only had two games I played online, MK8 and Splatoon).
Also I think Microsoft will do a much better selling Scorpio than Sony did with PS4 Pro. They will market it like a new console, and games will look significantly better on it than on the standard Xbox One. I think the negative online reactions to the rumors of Pro/Scorpio scared Sony a little, but Microsoft has nothing to lose. They're going all in.
Ethan was fine except when he tried to argue that $80 is a fine price for Zelda + season pass because it's a console and portable game in one, and he's paid $100 to get that on PS4/Vita. That was pretty crazy.
Kevin's main complaint seems to be "Nintendo still hasn't revealed this really important thing most people care about, they're crazy", where "thing" is standard 360/PS4 online functionality. I'm not sure I agree with that, I don't think that's important for Nintendo or their target audience.
I play a lot of online multiplayer on PS4 and for my usage I don't think the Wii U lagged behind in any way (well, besides the fact that it only had two games I played online, MK8 and Splatoon).
Nowhere crazy cold. I have a bad cold, which is keeping me home.
And that's an issue why exactly? A potential GotY candidate getting more content down the line is good news of you are already hyped for the game.
If it turns out that the additional content is lackluster that's a bummer but getting more Zelda content as a Zelda fan is great news.
Many current gen games have 30-40 buck season passes. This wouldn't even be a big news if it wasn't a Nintendo title and the double standard.
What double standard? People have been complaining about season passes for years. They still do every now and then, and celebrate games that don't have them (like Mass Effect most recently).
The only difference with Zelda is that Nintendo is very late to the party, and it has far more of its fans going "I trust Nintendo, they've never wronged me before". Like Ethan did just a week after discussing Fire Emblem Heroes. Selling content without announcing what it is, selling boosters that change the balance of the game for money and having in-game advertising items from the real world are generally all seen as bad things regardless of the company that does it.
(FWIW I don't have a problem with season passes, and I tend to buy them when they end up being a good deal).
Brianimaniac
Banned
Many people do complain about other season passes, so there's no double standard.
And I can tell you one key difference with Zelda, and that's the fact that Nintendo takes an eternity to drop the prices of their games, if they ever bother at all. If Arkham Knight comes along at $60 with a $50 season pass, that's no big deal, because you can get the game and the pass for a combined total of less than $60 within a year of release. Wait another year after that, and you can probably get them both for $20-30. That's not going to happen with Zelda. If it's $80 for the total package now, it'll still be $80 for the total package three years from now.
No one is forced to buy the Season Pass before the content is released or all information is out. It's not like BotW will have content issues in its Vanilla version from what I read so far.
You guys are pretty much complaining about a mayor console game in 2017 having paid DLC. That's fine I guess, doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
You guys are pretty much complaining about a mayor console game in 2017 having paid DLC. That's fine I guess, doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I accept season passes as a reality of the business. But I don't know if "awesome" is the adjective I'd use to describe it.