[The Rare Canceled Game Art Thread]
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SimpleDesign
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Should've made the games fans were asking for.Jethro said:
I hate Microsoft, I really do. For me personally they have brought nothing but pain into the gaming space.
They killed off Rare, even though it was the greed of the Stamper brothers that led them to fall into Microsoft's hands.
Games for Windows Live is also the number one blight on PC gaming, they're trying to kill that too.
Rare back in the N64 days were lightning in a bottle, they were unstoppable.
They released 11 games on the N64 all of which were great if not incredible, far more than the output of any other studio even Nintendo's internal development teams.
They made some of the best looking games on the N64.
They made some of the most ridiculously creative games on the N64.
They made the funniest games on the N64.
They made the best multiplayer on the N64.
They made some of the best music on the N64.
They WERE the god damn N64.
There will NEVER be another developer like Rare, not ever. As much as I love Retro Studios they will never match what Rare were capable of.
When they were sold off I had no idea what the hell was going on, and I stuck with Nintendo (and I was right to). I'm happy to know Nintendo didn't actually have much of a choice about letting Rare go, otherwise I'd never forgive them.
I don't care what ANYONE says, Rare still had it until they started working on the Xbox. Starfox Adventures had a troubled development, and the game had good amount of content cut (like the fight with General Scales) because Rare ran out of time, but that game was still BEAUTIFUL.
Everything about that game screamed Rare. The presentation was unmatched, the Rare style of humour was all there, and it was a great and constantly varied game.
It makes the vast majority of Wii games look like crap, and I'm about as big a Nintendo fan as you'll find.
That was their first Gamecube game, and what they could have potentially made in the future boggles the mind. There was a reason that the Gamecube came in third place, and that reason was that it had no Rare.
Nintendo lost a big chunk of western gamers with no Rare to complement them.
This pisses me off even more because I live basically half an hour away from their damn Twycross studio. I wanted to work there ever since I played Rusty Bucket Bay in Banjo Kazooie and saw the words 'TWYCROSS, ENGLAND' engraved on the ship, I was like... 9 or 10 at the time.
The British games industry is almost completely dead right now (unlike in the N64 days when small developers were all over the place), on top of that the current games industry model is already broken and ridiculously hard to break into. Even if I did have a good chance of getting into Rare what would be the point anymore?
Right now I'm making an indie game and I'll see where that goes, and today the producer/director of goldeneye and Perfect Dark Martin Hollis wished me luck on Twitter
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*freaks out*
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
They killed off Rare, even though it was the greed of the Stamper brothers that led them to fall into Microsoft's hands.
Games for Windows Live is also the number one blight on PC gaming, they're trying to kill that too.
Rare back in the N64 days were lightning in a bottle, they were unstoppable.
They released 11 games on the N64 all of which were great if not incredible, far more than the output of any other studio even Nintendo's internal development teams.
They made some of the best looking games on the N64.
They made some of the most ridiculously creative games on the N64.
They made the funniest games on the N64.
They made the best multiplayer on the N64.
They made some of the best music on the N64.
They WERE the god damn N64.
There will NEVER be another developer like Rare, not ever. As much as I love Retro Studios they will never match what Rare were capable of.
When they were sold off I had no idea what the hell was going on, and I stuck with Nintendo (and I was right to). I'm happy to know Nintendo didn't actually have much of a choice about letting Rare go, otherwise I'd never forgive them.
I don't care what ANYONE says, Rare still had it until they started working on the Xbox. Starfox Adventures had a troubled development, and the game had good amount of content cut (like the fight with General Scales) because Rare ran out of time, but that game was still BEAUTIFUL.
Everything about that game screamed Rare. The presentation was unmatched, the Rare style of humour was all there, and it was a great and constantly varied game.
It makes the vast majority of Wii games look like crap, and I'm about as big a Nintendo fan as you'll find.
That was their first Gamecube game, and what they could have potentially made in the future boggles the mind. There was a reason that the Gamecube came in third place, and that reason was that it had no Rare.
Nintendo lost a big chunk of western gamers with no Rare to complement them.
This pisses me off even more because I live basically half an hour away from their damn Twycross studio. I wanted to work there ever since I played Rusty Bucket Bay in Banjo Kazooie and saw the words 'TWYCROSS, ENGLAND' engraved on the ship, I was like... 9 or 10 at the time.
The British games industry is almost completely dead right now (unlike in the N64 days when small developers were all over the place), on top of that the current games industry model is already broken and ridiculously hard to break into. Even if I did have a good chance of getting into Rare what would be the point anymore?
Right now I'm making an indie game and I'll see where that goes, and today the producer/director of goldeneye and Perfect Dark Martin Hollis wished me luck on Twitter
.*freaks out*
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
IOnEI Falcon
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Hmm, I don't know. It seems as though there were some things Rare wanted to do with Conker that Nintendo didn't like. A Pikachu tail was recently found in CBFD as an unused object. When Chris Seavor was asked what it was for, he said it was taken out as Nintendo didn't like them making fun of their beloved Pokemon.Matt said:
XANDER CAGE
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S. L. said:
One size fits all, or a queen size bed
bgassassin
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Kermit The Dog said:
I think it suffered by being released on a console that both was at the end of it's life and had suffered a big loss in popularity. I really wanted it to be moved to the GC as a launch title. I think that would have made a world of difference probably for the game and the kiddy stigma of the GC.
Hero of Legend
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IOnEI Falcon said:
LOL oh wow!
Edit: Here:
http://conkerguru.deviantart.com/art/175-Corn-Bag-and-Weird-Tail-191223616
WrathOfOtaibah
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Donkey Kong 64 was an awesome game that had a lot of fun shit to do, stop bitching.
Anasui Kishibe
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TEJ said:
Dreams-Visions
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MAN GTFODr_Peace said:
QueenOfThorns
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Donkey Kong 64 was a mistake. It didn't have half the charm as the banjo series and it didn't have any of the charm from the DKC games. The collecting is what gave birth to the whole COLLECTATHON meme, which it deserved. Too bad poor Banjo had to be lumped in with it. (I guess you could argue that Banjo Tooie is like that too, but people who say that about the first game are weirdos.)
It had some fun moments, though. And the instruction manual had Cranky.
It had some fun moments, though. And the instruction manual had Cranky.
masterofcoin said:
Rare games had collectathon problems before DK64, they just weren't as pronounced. Didn't both Jet Force Gemini and Banjo Kazooie both prevent you from finishing the game unless you went back and grabbed either all or 90%+ of the random garbage they wanted you to collect?
Kermit The Dog
Banned
Matt said:
In what alternate universe do you live in? Nintendo refused to market the game in many countries and from what I recall, THQ actually stepped in and acted as publisher in Europe.
Nintendo of America wanted nothing to do with it.
border said:
Rare had been building up a fascination with collecting shit for a while before DK64. Collecting bonus coins and DK coins in DKC2, both of those plus banana birds and a few other things in DKC3, balloons in Diddy Kong Racing, lots of stuff in Banjo and Jet Force Gemini as you mentioned.
DK64 was just the breaking point for a lot of people. It was where it stopped being enjoyable and became a chore. Where "collectathon" became a bad word.
You cannot fight the final boss in JFG without collecting every single Tribal. Tribals probably make up around 70% of all collectables in that game, with the rest being random multiplayer benefits and weapon/ammo upgrades.
It's a lot of collecting and is done for a very bullshit plot reason.
It's a lot of collecting and is done for a very bullshit plot reason.
So not even 4J Studios(Perfect Dark XBLA/Banjo XBLA) is involved with Rare anymore. They're working on the Xbox 360 version of Minecraft. So I wonder, what is Rare doing at this point and when are they going to show something of note because with Kinect Fun Labs/Kinect Me even their avatar division is now pointless.
Kermit The Dog said:
If I recall it didn't even get any Nintendo Power coverage, which is a pretty big slap in the face. You're right, Nintendo hated the game.
Conker's a weird one because it's probably their strongest platformer on the system (good variety, more linear stage progression and less a focus on collecting junk, context sensitive things that have become a gaming staple) but the jokes and humor have aged so poorly. It almost makes me wish they hadn't took Conker into that territory because I think it would have been a better game in the long term. Though I'll always love The Great Mighty Poo forever and always.
I used to love Rare too but their N64 legacy hasn't really withstood the test of time. They did somewhat amazing things with the hardware (great looking games but they almost always ran like dog shit, Perfect Dark was unplayable for me personally) but I'm not sure I'd ever go back to any of those games other than Blast Corps, which remains their strongest and most original idea on the N64. Sure I'd fire up Goldeneye for nostalgia's sake, but I'd never sink real genuine time into any of their platformers or racers, not when I can be playing superior games of that ilk elsewhere.
That said, I do wish Rare was still around. They had a special something to them that not many developers have.
border said:Rare games had collectathon problems before DK64, they just weren't as pronounced. Didn't both Jet Force Gemini and Banjo Kazooie both prevent you from finishing the game unless you went back and grabbed either all or 90%+ of the random garbage they wanted you to collect?
I feel bad that my friend paid full price for Star Fox Adventures as a birthday gift to me. I'm sorry man.. but I just didn't have it in me to finish it. Heck, I didn't even come close.
I did however manage to somehow finish Perfect Dark Zero , and that's because I paid for it. SPECIAL EDITION!
edit: To be fair, Viva Pinata was fuck awesome.
Kermit The Dog
Banned
The humour was fine. It was both childish and layered, and very, very British. As an Aussie I found it a right laugh, and appreciated its charm. It's not cutting edge comedy by any means, but to say it's aged is a curious statement all things considered.
The PD remake reminded me why I loved PD back then. The game holds up very well, and has aged perfectly fine. These 'PD was unplayable claims' are laughably exaggerated.
IOnEI Falcon
Member
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If anyone was going to be doing JFG, it would have been them yeah?[Nintex] said:
APZonerunner
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One thing blows my mind in particular - didn't Perfect Dark XBLA cross a million sales fairly quickly? PDZ sold millions, too - how is it Microsoft aren't having them work on a new one? I can see why PDZ didn't get a sequel - critically lukewarm reception, launch game, but when a lowly XBLA port sells that much surely someone has to have taken notice?
The Awkward Wizard
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They'd probably also be the ones that would do Killer Instinct XBLA.IOnEI Falcon said:
I'm quite surprised that there was an XBLA version of Jet Force Gemini in development, but we never heard anything about an XBLA version of Killer Instinct, especially since every time someone would ask Rare management which classic they'd like on XBLA after BK/BT/PD, they'd say Killer Instinct. Besides, Marvel vs Capcom 2 did really well, why wouldn't Microsoft want to follow?
EDIT:
I don't think Perfect Dark XBLA reached a million (I think it sold around 300,000. Can anyone produce sales numbers?), but it seems that Microsoft wasn't really interested in Rare doing T or M rated games; they want them to be their family friendly team.APZonerunner said:
Roland Deschain
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APZonerunner said:
Wow, Perfect Dark XBLA did that well?
There's a difference between re making a game which is regarded as one of the best FPS of time and creating a whole new game. Majority of the people that bought the remake, had the game 11 years ago.APZonerunner said:
I'm not even sure if Rare (whats left of them) would even be able to create a proper sequel it deserves. That said i would still like to see a new Perfect Dark title...
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Gemini I remember having quite a bit of collecting, yet if memory serves me right BK gave you quite a bit of leeway with how much you had to collect. Something like, 80 jiggies and 800 notes out of 10 worlds? That's not too bad, especially since SM64 had a similar amount of stuff you had to of collected before completing the game.border said:
So no, I'd say DK64 was where collecting stuff in Rare games went from feeling natural (or at least didn't take away from the rest of the gameplay) and went to pretty much being the sole focus, along with SFA.
giggas said:
Wouldn't go as far as saying they hated the game, or at least not the entire company; there's an interview from EDGE with some old employees saying how Minoru Arakawa quite liked the game and found what Rare showed him hilarious while Howard Lincoln was more apprehensive. Also swear I remember Conker getting advertised at least a little bit by Nintendo of America on day-time tv. Seems like if Rare was with Nintendo longer during the GCN era Nintendo probably would've eventually gotten behind the franchise more, like how for awhile I honestly saw Banjo and Kazooie more as Nintendo characters than Rare ones. Anybody know how Conker was marketed over in Japan?
And keeping Conker as it used to be would of been a huge mistake in the long run. Since it took so long to get made it would of drawn unfavorable comparisons to BK and watching old videos of it when it was still Twelve Tales the game seems bright and colorful to the point where it seems like Rare was unintentionally parodying themselves. While I prefer BK for being a less cynical title with more 'heart' (for lack of a less sentimental word), I can respect Bad Fur Day for being pretty fucking ballsy when looked at in the context it was released in. Know it was due to circumstance and not choice, but I think in a way it's fitting it was Rare's last ever major, 3D platformer.
IOnEI Falcon
Member
PD XBLA sold over 350,000 units last I saw recorded. But at 10 bucks a pop that is over 3.5 million dollars so not bad.
Ocean_Voyager
Neo Member
He's off to work with Ubisoft as a community bod there. Good luck to him. I wonder if he left on his own accord or was told in no uncertain terms to jump before he was pushed. His departure came out of the blue; would have thought we'd get wind of that earlier. As Shiggy said, the oft-repeated "we're a lot more open to the community" mantra Rare were peddling a few years back seems to have well and truly disappeared. The guys there are still very helpful but I used to get stuff sent through all the time; haven't heard from Mike Wilson (the other community guy, who's since moved up to website dev) for months.
IOnEI Falcon
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He was only there for a year yeah?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
He was only an agency staffer, I think. I guess his placement ended.[Nintex] said:
IOnEI Falcon
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So regarding Savannah:
conkerhimself Christopher Seavor
@IOnEI_Falcon Not really, more of a nature simulation. Donnchadh's amazing models deserve more exposure than leaked test footage for sure.
conkerhimself Christopher Seavor
@IOnEI_Falcon Not really, more of a nature simulation. Donnchadh's amazing models deserve more exposure than leaked test footage for sure.
crap monkey
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Please sell off your IPs, Rare. Give them to studios who can do something with them.
The Awkward Wizard
Member
I Googled Donnchadh Murphy, and I found his portfolio. I can't download any images of his work, but you can see the lion Shiggy posted, the Kinect Fitness Instructor, PD XBLA promotional Joanna Dark, what appears to be Avatar prototypes, and the model they used to create Jetman's sprites from Jetpac Refuelled.IOnEI Falcon said:
