DancingJesus
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Can't say it surprises me but it's still disheartening.
One world one dream alright...
One world one dream alright...
The Real China
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DancingJesus said:
Pulling a billion people out of poverty takes time.
OpinionatedCyborg
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For 16 days out of this year, athletes who have been training their entire lives for the Olympics will have a chance to perform at the highest level. Is it really wrong that everyone's focusing on the athletic achievements? Is it so bad that people are recognizing the outstanding opening ceremonies China put on? I think it's possible to divorce the two to an extent, at least for this very short period of time, and that's what many news stations are doing.Kipz said:
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:lol :lol :lolBlackace said:
The only reason anybody builds factories there is because of cheap labour. If you start paying them vastly higher wages in a short period of time then guess where business goes?
You know they were communist for decades and that didn't do shit, the double digit growth has taken place after implementing capitalist reforms.
DancingJesus
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zoku88 said:
I don't think you fully understand the situation. Millions of people are living in poverty, starving to death and yet China puts on a 40 Billion Yuan show for the rest of the world instead of helping their own people. This is nothing like inner-city America.
It's not just that though. Here in Australia at least, the News channel showing the games has been consistantly putting on specials showing the Chinese way of life, culture etc etc portraying China as some kind of perfect humanitarian society. Ignoring China's past during the games is perfectly acceptable but putting them in this false light is completely bullshit.OpinionatedCyborg said:
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
China and me got something in common then, thats like my bedroom and the door, i close the door so i dont have to see the mess.............. plus i like Chinese food.
diunxx said:
Actually, numerous broadcasts have already shown that a lot of people are pissed off because the Chinese government has been bulldozing people's homes for the olympics and not giving any compensation.
China's economy is built on cheap transportation. Soaring oil prices have hurt the Chinese economy more than anything else. The overall effect may be to shift to a regional economy, whereby the main source of revenue is from Asian trade.
Shawn said:
Must... resist... quoting....!
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Kipz said:
lol what? Channel 9 has been rippin them a new one every chance they get.
You have a messed up view of China. Yes, rural china is pretty poor. But millions of them are NOT starving to death. They're second in per capita calorie intake in Asia. Sure, there are a lo of people that lives just suck, but that's to be expected since there's still a large Agrarian sector (and they have a large population.)DancingJesus said:
The argument that the money could be used for better things could be used for any country :-/
China is a good distraction for other governments from all the bad shit they do. I saw Bush on tv lecturing China about human rights. George Bush. He is the fucking last person to be talking about ethics, morals and basic human decency.
That is my problem with all the anti-Chinese news reporting going on. It's true that there are human rights violations there but I think people need to focus more on the bad shit their own government is doing since that is something you at least have a slim chance of changing instead of no chance at all.
That is my problem with all the anti-Chinese news reporting going on. It's true that there are human rights violations there but I think people need to focus more on the bad shit their own government is doing since that is something you at least have a slim chance of changing instead of no chance at all.
yea and in 1984 we rounded up thousands of inner-city black youths that were "alleged" to be "potential gang members." Same thing happened in Atlanta in 96, the ACLU even found evidence of police officers filling out reports prior to making arrests, filling out reports with the title "young black male" before even stepping foot on the street. Not to mention Atlanta also tore down public housing so the place looked more presentable. I'm not defending China here but lots of host cities have done some pretty messed up stuff for the Olympics.
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:lolWollan said:
OpinionatedCyborg
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Since I haven't seen the shows you're talking about, I can't comment on them specifically. However, from what I've seen in the media over the past few years, an overwhelming portion of the coverage is negative. Grey skies, men marching solemnly, dry rivers, Tianamen Square, dead monks, and the Soviet blood red Chinese legislature are some of the common images we see regarding China. While it's important we hear about the bad, I think we're deprived of the good that exists in China. No, it's not perfect by any means, but it has a very interesting culture that's been around for centuries and continues to carry on many of its past traditions.Kipz said:
The Olympics are supposed to be a celebration of human accomplishment, athletically and culturally. If some of the coverage ignores the atrocities we've grown accustomed to hearing about over the years in favour of bringing light to some of the more positive aspect of Chinese culture that we don't hear about often, I can forgive it, and I actually welcome it. It curbs the fear some of us have regarding China, and it fosters understanding. From what I've heard, there's a feeling within China that it's the Chinese vs. the world, and our perspective towards them is the reverse. With a more nuanced understanding of each other, I think some of the fear can dissipate and perhaps a better relationship will develop...
But again, I haven't seen the programs you're talking about, so perhaps they are severely warping the truth by painting an overly idealistic image of the Chinese people.
Seems pretty easy to put up a thread with a single photo going "The Real America" with any of these pictures:
- Displaced Native Americans
- Guantánamo Bay
- New Orleans flooded
- Poor people and homeless in Michigan or Detroit
And then contrast it with any of the following:
- George Bush Jr with Mission Accomplished behind him
- Bush Jr playing golf
- Bush Jr criticizing some other nation in a speech
Etc etc. The result would largely be the same thing as it is here.
- Displaced Native Americans
- Guantánamo Bay
- New Orleans flooded
- Poor people and homeless in Michigan or Detroit
And then contrast it with any of the following:
- George Bush Jr with Mission Accomplished behind him
- Bush Jr playing golf
- Bush Jr criticizing some other nation in a speech
Etc etc. The result would largely be the same thing as it is here.
If you guys have ever been to India, there's the same stuff. A lot of slums and poor people, but at the same time the society is improving. Why do people always wanna look only at the bad and not at how much work is being done (even if it has taken so long) to get something going? Learn about the culture and how it got to where it is, and that's when you'll realize what they are doing to fix it. There are reasons for the slums in these countries.
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Huh? What's the problem with the picture? I would advise you not to jump to conclusions that fast.DancingJesus said:Can't say it surprises me but it's still disheartening.
One world one dream alright...
It's just a kid washing his face outside. Big deal.
The pic is suggestive at best. You don't know what's really going on there.
Not that "the real China" would be a place you'd like to live at, but this picture alone says nothing about it.
i think the attempt to equate China with USA as a sort of pacified ALL IS FAIR approach to world politics and human rights is pretty ridiculous. China is worse than the US, by any viable human rights measurement not produced by the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC, and the "real China" is also much worse.
So while you can paint the United States as crooked in many ways and fucked up in many ways, and certainly the Bush administration as especially so, it serves no one to attempt to pretend all is equal. It's not.
So while you can paint the United States as crooked in many ways and fucked up in many ways, and certainly the Bush administration as especially so, it serves no one to attempt to pretend all is equal. It's not.
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