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The Ring Remake >>>>>>>>>> Ringu

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refreshZ

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I know this has been done to death, but I thought I'd throw my opinion into the melting pot.

Just watched The Ring Remake. Heard fairly poor feedback about it but the GF and I thought we'd pop it on. We seen The Grudge in the week and rubbishing Americanised remakes was currently in fashion. Boy were we wrong.

Now, lets get one thing straight I/we are totally respectful of the fact that Ringu, on its lower budget came up with the ideas and told a powerful tale - but The Ring takes every element and cranks up the tension and eeriness, tells a slightly less ridiculous story (no more goblins and brine...) and most importantly scares the piss out of you. This is down to some fantastically subtle uses of leftfield indicators like puddles of water, flies, subliminal imagery and adaption of perversely sledgehammer lines from supposedly subtle Jhorror like "The tape is not of this world" [rolleyes] to a interaction with elements of the tape itself as well as more thoughtfully told story interspered with powerful horror imagery.

Five elements stand out markedly - the massively improved cursed tape - leading to a far more interesting and diverting investigation, a brilliantly evil Samara, absolutely amazing use of creepy audio throughout, a briliant turn by the reporters son (who at times was as creepy as Samara herself) and the horrificly distorted faces of the victims - something that really sticks with you, like it or not. Like I said - every element adapted and improved from the original.

There has been much discussion of the 'slow burn' present in JHorror. I've realised that taking an hour to make a point does not create tension or unease. It bores. However the opposite case can also lead to disatisfaction (see The Grudge remake). The Ring balances between these two stools perfectly - the idea, after all, is to scare you - and the unsettling feeling that is held up throughout manages to keep you firmly on the edge of your seat.

Roll on Dark Water remake (hopes...)...
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
It's a controversial move on the forum to say The Ring is better than Ringu, yet it is universally agreed by critics that the American remake is better than its Japanese counterpart.

People go back and forth on The Grudge, though.
 

Kon Tiki

Banned
Willco said:
It's a controversial move on the forum to say The Ring is better than Ringu, yet it is universally agreed by critics that the American remake is better than its Japanese counterpart.

People go back and forth on The Grudge, though.
It depends on which one you see first. :p
 

refreshZ

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Willco said:
It's a controversial move on the forum to say The Ring is better than Ringu, yet it is universally agreed by critics that the American remake is better than its Japanese counterpart.

People go back and forth on The Grudge, though.

Yeah, I've noticed. Can't understand why though. Its simply a better film, IMO. Far more entertaining and certainly more scary. We're not talking Lucas-level shit-on-the-magic type remake here. It respectfully transfers the elements that worked and ditches the rest. What more could you ask for?
 
Yah the remake is far better than the original. I don't hate the original or anything, but the remake pretty much does everything better. It's helped alot by the visual style which the Japanese version completely lacks.

The Dark Water Remake is still coming BTW. The trailer got leaked recently and Disney got pissed and made all the websites take it down.
 

refreshZ

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SolidSnakex said:
The Dark Water Remake is still coming BTW. The trailer got leaked recently and Disney got pissed and made all the websites take it down.


Seriously? I han't heard a thing! Great news.
 
The pacing is a lot better in the remake, thus the remake is better, IMO. No one I know likes the Grudge :p Everyone says it's utter trash. Just my experience, though.
 

refreshZ

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Manabanana said:
The pacing is a lot better in the remake, thus the remake is better, IMO. No one I know likes the Grudge :p Everyone says it's utter trash. Just my experience, though.

It is. It has its moments but its just too predictable and seeing the 'ghosts' every 5 minutes takes away their ability to scare.
 

LakeEarth

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They're pretty much the same movie, I thought. One's a little slower, a little cheaper, but they didn't change much.

The Grudge on the other hand...
 

refreshZ

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LakeEarth said:
They're pretty much the same movie, I thought. One's a little slower, a little cheaper, but they didn't change much.

The Grudge on the other hand...

I thought that was The Grudge you were describing...0_o
 

sefskillz

shitting in the alley outside your window
Eh, I like Ringu better. I prefer the ending and the more believable revenge angle. But the pacing is a little off and it does go a little out there story wise, and the sound effect part with the wooden 2x4 is just ridiculous. I still prefer the original.

As for the Grudge.. both of them are blah.
 

refreshZ

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sefskillz said:
Eh, I like Ringu better. I prefer the ending and the more believable revenge angle. But the pacing is a little off and it does go a little out there story wise, and the sound effect part with the wooden 2x4 is just ridiculous. I still prefer the original.

As for the Grudge.. both of them are blah.

I never really had a problem with the motivations behind Sadako or Samara's curse. I would probably lean toward's Samara's "Just Plain Evil" thing though... it fits in neatly with my philosophy that some people are just assholes. End of story.
 
sefskillz said:
Eh, I like Ringu better. I prefer the ending and the more believable revenge angle. But the pacing is a little off and it does go a little out there story wise, and the sound effect part with the wooden 2x4 is just ridiculous.

:lol :lol I love the part with the 2X4. I burst out laughing at that part. One thing Ring has over The Ring is the main character's son. I fucking HAAAAATE that kid in the The Ring. He's such an overdone character! He's not bad at all in Ring.
 

refreshZ

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Manabanana said:
:lol :lol I love the part with the 2X4. I burst out laughing at that part. One thing Ring has over The Ring is the main character's son. I fucking HAAAAATE that kid in the The Ring. He's such an overdone character! He's not bad at all in Ring.

I thought that kid was a wooden staccato muppet. Seems to be the norm in JHorror films.
At least The Ring's kid had some character... ;)
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Neither are great films, or great horrors.

But at least the Japanese one was spared the terrible dialogue by the writer of Scream3 ...

"What's going on?"
"I don't know, but I think it's got something to do with horses!"

Dreadful.
 

Pellham

Banned
yeah it all depends on which one you see first... although it's strange to see someone praise The Ring after seeing Ringu :p

Anyway, what I do think everyone can agree on is how much Ringu 2 sucked. It's a good thing The Ring 2 will be nothing like it.
 

refreshZ

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Pellham said:
yeah it all depends on which one you see first... although it's strange to see someone praise The Ring after seeing Ringu :p

Thats just it - I know I'm in the minority here - and thats what baffles me. To me at least the film is clearly better. Its actually became scary and entertaining with the remake. I can only attribute it to some pseudo JHorror fanboyism/anti-Americanisation type attitude that keeps people from seeing the original's many flaws.
 

sefskillz

shitting in the alley outside your window
refreshZ said:
I can only attribute it to some pseudo JHorror fanboyism/anti-Americanisation type attitude that keeps people from seeing the original's many flaws.

eh, i guess we should ignore the post sixth sense "kid knows everything, boy that's creepy" aspect the remake had. when the kid was like 'OH NO YOU SHOULDNT HAVE DONE THAT' i couldn't help but chuckle. both have their plusses and minuses.
 

Jim Bowie

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I'm not even getting into the Ju-on vs. Grudge debate. You guys know my opinion on that.

I too thought that The Ring was better than Ringu. Not to say that Ringu was bad, but I thought that The Ring had better pacing and characterization. Also, the cinematography in The Ring was a noticeable improvement from Ringu. Samara (Sadako) was creepier here, too.

The Ring : A-
Ringu : B
 

Pellham

Banned
I can only attribute it to some pseudo JHorror fanboyism/anti-Americanisation type attitude that keeps people from seeing the original's many flaws.

Actually, I think it's more because after seeing Ringu, everyone knows what to expect in The Ring, so the shock value is gone.
 

karasu

Member
I can only attribute it to some pseudo JHorror fanboyism/anti-Americanisation type attitude that keeps people from seeing the original's many flaws.

That is so lame. It's like someone attributing your view to redneck patriotism/xenophobic leanings.
 

refreshZ

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karasu said:
That is so lame. It's like someone attributing your view to redneck patriotism/xenophobic leanings.

Hardly.

I specified JHorror. As in a bias toward Japanese horror. As in a genre of movies. Learn to read.
 

refreshZ

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Pellham said:
Actually, I think it's more because after seeing Ringu, everyone knows what to expect in The Ring, so the shock value is gone.

Quite probably. However the reason me and my GF watched it was because it wasn't a direct remake. And all the better for it, its turns out. Certainly knowing the story inside didn't quite prepare us for some of the shocks on offer.
 

karasu

Member
jesus. Because you brought up japanese fanboyim and "anti-americanisation" as reasons someone prefers an original to a remake.
 

refreshZ

Member
No. I mentioned Japanese Horror fanboyism and "Americanisation" thereof. Was that not clear enough? What on earth does that have to do with xenophobic leanings?

The point I was trying to make was that these stories (using Ringu as an example) encapsulate Japanese myth/folklore et al (in this case sea spirits for example) - and some people would rather not see this framework re-interpreted for a Western audience because its these elements that get abandoned. As well as all the obvious assumptions that are made of Western audiences e.g. incorporating short sharp shocks to keep us awake/interested long enough.
 
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