The N64 didn't come out till 1996 could hardly handle games at 30 FPS had no sound hardware and couldn't handle High Res graphics, oh and was harder to develop on than a Saturn and it's development environment was far more costly than a Saturn. SEGA Japan we're right to turn it down. If only they carried on their project with N Vidia mind.
Where is this coming from? There are a few high-res N64 games that don't need the expansion pack.
The Saturn needed a Sonic Mania .....plays to the systems strengths of 2d....more so as they were having trouble in recreating their own Mario 64...(See Sonic Xtreme for that!)
The Slave engine did wonders for the system.
I had to look it up, released June 26 1996. I think they announced MKT at E3 in May of 96. (Came out October 10 96 for the PSX, Nov 4 for the N64) That was a definite suck for Saturn owners.
It came over budget and 2 years late and was a system that was even harder to develop on than a Saturn, add in no sound hardware, how you can count on one had the number of games that run at 60 FPS, how so many games suffered from fogging and blurry low res graphics and SEGA were right to turn it down IMO along with Bullfrog/M2
It comes from owning the system. So many games run in low res and suffer washed-out blurry graphics
There is a wave of double standards. A bet many people didn't even know that the Model 2 had to use Mesh effects, they either can't remember or are too busy watching YouTube videos with games being played on an emu that doesn't show the mesh effects in use.
I own the system too. NFL Quarterback Club 98 runs at 640 x 480 (no expansion pack required) with no blurriness and no frame rate issues while having some of the best 3D graphics and models in a sports title at the time.
Nah, they were just too busy being impressed instead of focusing on it's flaws.
True, but I guess it had other issues that pained people (like fill rate performance being halved with z buffer on, Direct RDRAM for PS2 being a bigger step up in bandwidth and latency [it got a bad rep on PC thanks to Intel and quite demonstrated carrel by other manufacturers, there was nothing inherently horrible about it hence why Alpha went with it for EV7/EV8 with seemingly great resulta] inability for many devs to tweak the ucode for the RSP and default ucode not being that performant/bit too conservative).
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Yet we were playing an awesome port of X-Men COTA first year.
You can list the games on one hand that run in High Res mate for the N64. If you want to talk good looking sports games how about Decathlete a game that runs at 60 FPS and at a screen res of 704X480
Decathlete looks significantly simpler than NFL and it can only render two 3D models in that big, flat stadium, the rest are replaced by ugly 2D sprites that stick out like a sore thumb.
Huh? I never claimed the Saturn can't do high-res or 60fps or anything of the sort. You did that for the N64 and i just proved you wrong.
Still better than anything on the N64. You want nice High Res 3D graphics then WorldSeries 98 is a joy to behold And there's nothing fake about how many more Saturn games run at a higher res or supported 60 FPS compared to the N64. If you owned an N64 at the time lack 60 FPS and burly graphics (how does one say it.) stuck out like a soar thumb.
You mean the Baseball?
True, there weren't as many as i would like. But i owned a bunch of them (F-Zero X, Smash Bros, MK4, Yoshi's Story). Which was 1/4 of my total collection btw.
Yeah but it does make you act a bit butt-hurt though. Which i get. The Playstation made a lot of Sega and Nintendo fans but-hurt back then.
It's my least favorite console of the 3. But i don't really "bash" it the same way you undermine the N64 like it had no positives at all. I can still say a lot of good things for the Saturn myself. Like how it had the best versions of Duke Nukem 3D, Quake and Powerslave. These games were amazing on the Saturn and IMO much more technically impressive than any hi-res or 60fps game on the same console. I also think it's the best console for 2D shooters by far. So, dunno, i just don't think it's the perfect gift from god. If that counts for "bashing" ok.
It runs in semi res, which is still higher than 90% of N64 games.You mean the Baseball?
That's not even a high res game! Unless you only count the title screen and menus
The game run on a stock Saturn and did not look to use the RAM cart.
A shame that when I last pulled it out the other week the battery had died and wiped my Shining the Holy Ark & Story of Thor 2 saves. Should really invest in one of those Ram/Save carts I guess.
Love me some Saturn
Saturn years were profitable though.
This. UMK3 was a product from Midway, while MKT was a "best of" game developed by some other developer. They put all the assets they had from previous games but didn't make proper efforts to adjust them. MK1 and MK2 characters lack proper animations for running for example. Honestly, it is a mess. I prefer UMK3 as well. Feels more polished really.
I suppose.....when you consider it was Sega's most successful console in the land of Japan, compared to its predecessor
I still have my Wipeout 3 disc in original form and still play the music fine in any radio or cd rom.
I have always defended and will continue to defend the excellent PAL library. People will always focus on Japanese games for whatever reasons, but the PAL library was perfectly fine and kept me playing until the arrival of the Dreamcast.
Was that original xbla version of UMK3? Not the arcade kollection? I had that in the early 360 days. It was great playing online. I remember a uni mate came round and watched me. He just couldn't believe I was fighting some American somewhere on my tv (he wasn't a gamer really).
Yea I toyed with idea going all the way back to 2008/9. I should've bought one then but was a poor student. Iv missed the boat. I recently tried resident evil saturn through emulation on my series x and realy liked the differences to the psx version. Also sega rally. But I yearn to play them on the big black box and that kidney bean controller as originally intended.
think he got confused with sega adding a second SH-2 CPU later in development (w/ of course the rumor being it was due to sega mgmt getting wind of the playstation's 3d performance... or maybe it was the n64's, who knows).
Sega consumer division (console) started going into red from the fiscal year beginning April 1995. Sega arcade divisions were what was covering up those losses for Sega in its entirity.
Hmm, maybe they would have been better off with a slower development and releasing it for the Dreamcast instead since they only sold 20k here in the US according to that. (Maybe if they did that they wouldn't have killed 2 of the developers)
Yea same. Although it did make me realise how poor the 360 dpad was.
Rayman was also riding the success that year especially in parts of Europe. While it was also on the Saturn, it was 2 months late in US and 1 month late in Europe. Sega in both Europe and US contrary to popular belief was trying to push 3D much harder early on than what people think they did. The problem was that they didn't have games that would get players to leave the Genesis, the PS1 had those. For the games they both had either the Saturn got late, or Sega never bothered to grab and Sony would eventually grab those games later.
