The state of NeoGAF

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There's something poetic about even a thread this grave and specific devolving into a 2016 election thread

Yeah, how about that.

I find political conversations outside the internet to be just as strident as the ones in it, unfortunately. Political reality does not seem to bear out that anybody is really tuning out politics here or elsewhere despite protestations to the contrary.
 
+1 Evilore. Just because someone in your past makes a wacky accusation, that doesn't automatically make it ABSOLUTE FACT. And even in the worst case scenarios, feel free to read my previous post and debate me. None of it will have to do with this being a great video game forum. Maybe some of the overdramatic people will purge themselves. I won't cry for them because in OT they were annoying anyway.
 
What's amazing to me, based on EL's post history, is that he has expressed some sexist views in the past but everybody decides to jump ship now after an accusation? Seriously? Everybody is all high and mighty now? Some even say they knew about his past but for some reason this event was the final straw? Considering how many of these same people would condemn sexual predators in all of the threads, they should have left years ago when they discovered his true colors. Everybody assumes he did it based on his previous posts and other newfound information but none of us can actually prove anything. I'm on board in saying how he handled the situation and response is terrible. And I do believe her because I have no reason not to but, ultimately, none of this has anything to do with a video game message board.

I agree with this. I just don't see how getting yourself banned makes whatever your statement is any more important. Just leave.
Riiight. Because specifically pointing it out was going to involve what, other than getting you permabanned right away, or a week or month down the line when he could finally find an excuse? Certainly no one in the moderators were holding him accountable that we could see. And his general modus operandi was that of an abusive vindictive jerk. But those were times when someone was given the benefit of a doubt. And doubly so if their virtuous nature was assumed given how progressive they were. The Harvey Weinstein effect. Run a leftist echo chamber, all sins forgiven!
 
Crossing Eden always blows a blood vessel at anything anime related, or any female character showing skin.
No point in even arguing with them.

That was the first and last time I've ever had a back and forth with him. Learned to stay away from him after that.
 
Are you talking about me here as well? Genuine question, because I don't see anything wrong with what I was talking to you about earlier.

It's to those with dubious posts and straight up gamergater stuff. Can't recall what your posts were so my apologies if you may have been unfairly lumped in.
 
Dude you argued some people who celebrate Zwarte Piete aren't bad people. Like, why even argue that. Lol.

Holy shit he didn't say they weren't bad people. Nor did he argue in favor of Zwarte Piete. He said people shouldn't hate all of them especially the children. Try to actually think about what someone said instead of just continuing to jump to conclusions.
 
You drank too much koolaid. You know you got no argument when you consider decency, accountability, and standards as toxic things shitty people do.

You just outted yourself as a gamergater.
You throw words like that as if you saying them carries weight. But it doesn't, you've called everyone who said NeoGAF has a Toxic Off-Topic a GGer and I know I'm not so your words are as hollow. On top of that you attempted to use the argument that because you never got banned for suspect reasons, that no one did. Pretty self-centered that you get to decide what everyone is and isn't when the majority is telling you something else.

So again I ask. Why don't you just admit you have a toxic personality and fix it instead of using crutches to justify it?
 
There are no old GAF mods functioning as moderators there.
Where do people read this.

Moderation overseen by a confirmed GAF-mod advisory council is close enough. Maybe that's hyperbole, but if GAF Off-Topic was as amazing and inclusive as many of the evacuees say it is then they'll find a way to recreate whatever it took to retain that experience.
 
Just realized something funny - almost exactly 10 years ago something similar happened in Gamespot; Jeff got fired for giving Kane & Lynch a 6, resulting in chaos and mass bannings / acc suicides across the forums. Giant Bomb was born as a result though so I can't complain.
 
It's kind of amazing how much of this thread is actually just people arguing over, "I was banned for X but so-and-so wasn't, somebody called me a racist or somebody is
a racist" or whatever. Culture wars and bikeshedding all the way down.
 
Crossing Eden always blows a blood vessel at anything anime related, or any female character showing skin.
No point in even arguing with them.

CrossingEden is the type of guy who goes fucking crazy if anyone insults Assassins Creed, nevermind slight a woman.

If he sticks around after this, he's a complete hypocrite as well.
 
You throw words like that as if you saying them carries weight. But it doesn't, you've called everyone who said NeoGAF has a Toxic Off-Topic a GGer and I know I'm not so your words are as hollow. On top of that you attempted to use the argument that because you never got banned for suspect reasons, that no one did. Pretty self-centered that you get to decide what everyone is and isn't when the majority is telling you something else.

So again I ask. Why don't you just admit you have a toxic personality and fix it instead of using crutches to justify it?

Damn, calling out racism, bigotry, and other forms of hate is now toxic.

Jesus.

I really hope Evilore takes a firm stance on this type of stuff going forward or else it will be even more damaging.
 
Did the 'accuser' since pressed any charges? Or is it some twitter and facebook shit?
I can do the same to you on social media.

Actually she didnt accuse him of anything. Malka already confirmed the story and said shes mentally unstable.

She was pressed to reveal his name not the other way around, she didnt want to make a big fuss she wrote it on her pvt facebook page lol.

She even removed the post later because ppl were going buckwild on her facebook.
 
Damn, calling out racism, bigotry, and other forms of hate is now toxic.

Jesus.

I really hope Evilore takes a firm stance on this type of stuff going forward or else it will be even more damaging.

Seems like you can't read. That's not what is toxic. Labeling anyone who disagrees with you racists, sexists, bigots, or whatever label you come up with is toxic.
 
One other issue that I find with OT Gaf is the blanket denigration of all posters with "anime" avatars, and using the term "anime avatar" like an insult. For people who love to claim that they are against marginalization, they really love to put labels on people and attack them.
Thats the case almost everywhere on the internet barring forums explicitly dedicated to anime and tons of places where anime just doesn't even come up as a topic or anything. Its dumb & wrong but we shouldn't treat this as if it was GAF exclusive. Another issue is the treatment of japanese games in which people dismiss them as being "anime". I once said that word has lost all meaning cause very very few games are actually based upon an anime and also follow said animes story. Games based off anime traditionally follow their own seperate story which imo makes 'em their own thing an thus not an "anime game".

But what're ya gonna do? Theres a long ways between saying something dumb like an being hateful outright or not. Best just ta pay 'em no mind.
 
Actually she didnt accuse him of anything. Malka already confirmed the story and said shes mentally unstable.

She was pressed to reveal his name not the other way around, she didnt want to make a big fuss she wrote it on her pvt facebook page lol.

She even removed the post later because ppl were going buckwild on her facebook.

This fact is conveniently glossed over by all the "it's no big deal" weirdos
 
Actually she didnt accuse him of anything. Malka already confirmed the story and said shes mentally unstable.

She was pressed to reveal his name not the other way around, she didnt want to make a big fuss she wrote it on her pvt facebook page lol.

She even removed the post later because ppl were going buckwild on her facebook.


Yup I believe someone screenshot the story and spoke on her behalf. It was supposed to be private.
 
Actually she didnt accuse him of anything. Malka already confirmed the story and said shes mentally unstable.

She was pressed to reveal his name not the other way around, she didnt want to make a big fuss she wrote it on her pvt facebook page lol.

She even removed the post later because ppl were going buckwild on her facebook.

I'm aware of all this bullshit, but thank you for the details.
 
Thats the case everywhere on the internet barring forums explicitly dedicated to anime. Its dumb & wrong but we shouldn't treat this as if it was GAF exclusive. Another issue is the treatment of japanese games in which people dismiss them as being "anime". I once said that word has lost all meaning cause very very few games are actually based upon an anime and also follow said animes story. Games based off anime traditionally follow their own seperate story which imo makes 'em their own thing an thus not an "anime game".

But what're ya gonna do? Theres a long ways between saying something dumb like an being hateful outright or not. Best just ta pay 'em no mind.

I don't mind it on the other parts of the internet. They don't claim themselves to be better than everyone else. OT on the other hand...
 
Damn, calling out racism, bigotry, and other forms of hate is now toxic.

Jesus.

I really hope Evilore takes a firm stance on this type of stuff going forward or else it will be even more damaging.

It's a shame nobody knows you personally to call you out on your wrongs. Ops, sorry, you must be perfect, a clean slate.

Thankfully posts/users like this will be contained in this thread and only while it lasts.
 
Not just CrossingEden, why are these holier-than-thou-on-their-high-fucking-horse posters like Subpar Spatula still posting on GAF if their moral code was so utterly defiled?

someone criticizing something you say doesn't mean they think they're better than you

where on earth does this come from
 
I don't mind it on the other parts of the internet. They don't claim themselves to be better than everyone else. OT on the other hand...
I do because it shuts down conversation and starts a conversation about nothing usually relevant to the discussion.
 
I don't mind it on the other parts of the internet. They don't claim themselves to be better than everyone else. OT on the other hand...
Ehh? Then why mind it here? Seems like needless bias. With that said I rarely ever glanced at the OT, so my experience with what you're talking about come purely from the gaming side. If the OT was sooooo super much worse/different then that could be something else altogether which I can't comment on since due to lack of familiarity.
 
someone criticizing something you say doesn't mean they think they're better than you

where on earth does this come from

Have you actually followed a discussion involving CrossingEden? As for Spatula, he has repeatedly called posters as gamergaters and alt-righters throughout this thread. You're either knee's deep in confirmation bias or you just flat-out agree with Spatula.

Ehh? Then why mind it here? Seems like needless bias. With that said I rarely ever glanced at the OT, so my experience with what you're talking about come purely from the gaming side. If the OT was sooooo super much worse/different then that could be something else altogether which I can't comment on since due to lack of familiarity.

OT is exponentially much worse when it comes to it.
 
Actually she didnt accuse him of anything. Malka already confirmed the story and said shes mentally unstable.

She was pressed to reveal his name not the other way around, she didnt want to make a big fuss she wrote it on her pvt facebook page lol.

She even removed the post later because ppl were going buckwild on her facebook.
But he can do the same to you on social media ... get it?
 
Not just CrossingEden, why are these holier-than-thou-on-their-high-fucking-horse posters like Subpar Spatula still posting on GAF if their moral code was so utterly defiled?

Would you prefer that he lose posting privileges? Be honest.
 
"Some guy said Hillary had bad political adverts and I still don't realize they wasn't siding with Nazi or "Concern trolling". Everyone who disagrees with me is Alt-Right! I'm so afraid of people whose usernames I don't recognize.

You shut the fuck up. You can't justify this anymore as "EVERYONE IS A NAZI!" because it's becoming clear the people posting their reasons for their bans aren't. It's clear people like you made this forum a worse place for everyone but your internet friends. You wanted to have you fun little "me too. I agree" party with you friends and had no room for anyone else, it's pretty clear.

There was no alt-right conspiracy to call the Ghostbusters reboot a subpar movie. There was not nazi plot to try to have a discussion about Bannon's interview instead of the fact that he looks like a shambling corpse in the interview he did. There was toxic behaviour, and it was you. There was a lot of bullshit on this site, and instead of owning up to you you're blaming everyone else. Just how selfish are you that you think everything revolves around you to the point that there are alt-right trolls following you everywhere?
I've been a consistent and vocal critic of Hillary Clinton these past couple years, so I think you must be doing something else shady if people are calling you a Nazi. ;)

On the other hand, you can get banned for lots of reasons besides "being a Nazi" or taking part in an "alt-right plot." Sometimes people just don't like talking to other people if it feels like it's hostile or a chore or the other person is just plain annoying. And given they're the arbitrary moderators of a private board, that's their call to make.

That last part seems hard for many to grasp, so to repeat: You were probably not getting banned for being part of some "alt-right conspiracy" or "Nazi plot" (neither of which I mentioned in my post ... weird). You were probably just getting banned because people don't like what you have to say or how you say it.
 
Seems like you can't read. That's not what is toxic. Labeling anyone who disagrees with you racists, sexists, bigots, or whatever label you come up with is toxic.

Being against toxicity is toxic

is the same as the old:

Being against intolerance is intolerance


It's just "no u"
 
Actually? They aren't. Get off your high horse already breh.

Condemn a whole nation of people for liking their own culture breh.

Good bad is reductionist. I'm sure kkk members can be loyal friends and good fathers. That said, cultures can have racist practices.

Cultures that don't allow women to drive are sexist. Liking your culture doesn't make it not problematic

How that festival is celebrated is problematic. Racism doesn't have to be hateful. It might be difficult admitting that your family, culture, or even yourself has racist practices and attitudes. But it's important.
 
Not just CrossingEden, why are these holier-than-thou-on-their-high-fucking-horse posters like Subpar Spatula still posting on GAF if their moral code was so utterly defiled?

Most are waiting for the new forum to go live and trying to reach out to any others who may interested in migrating. It's been less than a day since NeoGAF came back online. It may be a few days yet before all these people who done you wrong are gone for good. Sit tight.
 
But he can do the same to you on social media ... get it?

Except he has a proven history of literally admitting to harassing woman. He has admitted it.

She presents a believable story.

His history and posts show otherwise. If you cannot be bothered to scroll back a few pages or read the waypoint article then that's on you.
 
Resetera. Is going to be great.

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Huge progressive here, and I do think I was unfairly banned twice during primaries.

Also there was a clear double standard regarding enforcement of name calling and post and thread title moderation based on mod candidate preferences.

Not a huge problem. But a problem. Fixed with more transparency and accountability. (Ban reason, title change reason posted). That way it's easy to see record and counteract double standards.

Also, once I argued that putting yourself in clearly dangerous situations for religious reasons was a bad idea and was instantly banned for victim blaming.
I'm calling bs on this. I was a Hillary supporter and got banned several times for taking things too far in terms of discourse. Deservedly so. I do agree moderation needs more transparency, not less.

Btw, all you people complaining about how "differences of opinion" got you banned, how about you be more specific? Give us some examples. It feels like you want to have your cake and eat it too by playing the victim while hiding some awful views behind vague generalizations.
 
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