The state of NeoGAF

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No, i totally get it, i feel i just needed to vent, mainly because of everything in my life and what i been through. This situation gives me pause due to my experiences of accusations thrown my way and lies told about me. We all start somewhere.

BTW, I joined this forum for Video Games, i absolutely love it, and that's were im headed! ;)
Understand where you are coming from but the situation here is completely different. Anyway, good for you that you are not going to miss the OT.

The fact that EL hasn't denied anything the 'accuser' said and instead went instantly for the 'bitches be crazy' defence is rather telling no?
It is and I totally thought it was uncharacteristic of him to act like this until I came across other posts.
 
texhnolyze said:
I honestly cannot believe that there are people who are still hanging around this website while unconsciously (or maybe not) giving passive revenue for this man. It's not about "Meh, I'm only here to talk video games" or "Meh, Evilore is not the reason why I'm here". Your posting here means you're supporting this man financially.

Holy shit. Wake up, people.

It's why I have Ad Block enabled. Even if he is innocent, his actions in splintering communities and speed-approving accounts that are just troublemakers at best, and alt-right dicks at worst, means he won't get a penny from me.
 
No, i totally get it, i feel i just needed to vent, mainly because of everything in my life and what i been through. This situation gives me pause due to my experiences of accusations thrown my way and lies told about me. We all start somewhere.

BTW, I joined this forum for Video Games, i absolutely love it, and that's were im headed! ;)

We all joined for video games, but after a while you start realizing this site is a community with different hobbies/passions. Without that voice this is going to be very different I'm afraid.
 
How about people backing off from GAF because they don’t agree with the new changes that are about to pass?

I see lots of hate going around for people leaving and apparantly they’re all deapicable people, but yeesh, you people are pretty judgemental yourselves.
yup. the allegations were bad enough but the way that the website has been malformed in response is pathetic. even if evilore didn't sexually assault anyone his actions on this site both cast an enormous shadow of doubt on such claims by the way they came off as deflective and scapegoat-ey. banning and deleting certain posts that weren't account suicides or breaking the rules but happened to be calling out his behaviour. implementing new 'shadow' mods, because it's not as if neogaf didn't have people flagging up issues with visibility and accountability already (although this is a contentious point, as people have speculated that this was said to hide the lack of mods following the changes). half of the site lopped off without warning due to 'toxicity', many of it not set to return under new rules. said rules having vague restrictions to just discussions about other media, with 'politics' being banned without explanation of what that entails.

and because of all of this as well as the allegations and evilore's past behaviour, and regardless of how certain members seem to be burying their heads in the ground, a fuck tonne of the community has left (and not just through account suicides). some of the off topic community part of the forum has returned (although i'm unsure whether it will all still be okay under the new rules?) but with prominent users missing and several goodbyes posted. even if after all of this you want to stick around, nugaf ain't gonna have the same community it did a few days ago, whether you like that or not.
 
And my issue is that a lot of people that left have basically said

“Anyone that stays here is funding him being a sexual predator”

Comments like that are fucking wrong and that’s why I have such a bad taste in my mouth about the situation
Seems to me that you're trying to fight your cognitive dissonance.
 
Maybe not the right place, but does anyone have invites for the resetera Discord?


I just wanna talk about games, man. And also I'm curious how this process works.
 
At a point all the folks complaining about dog-piling, witch hunts, and chilling effects clearly have an agenda.
The agenda being, remove the toxicity that has been previously allowed and encouraged on NeoGAF. You know, the dissent squashing you like when it serves you and your interests.

We have numerous accounts of the chilling effect on this forum. You yourself admit to, and fear, a silent but now vocal group of people with opposing viewpoints to your own. But you are unable to explain just why these people have been silent all this time if there was no pressure to be silent, no chilling effect, no witch hunts. You pretend at knowing the inner reasoning, motivations, and purpose for literally EVERYONE you disagree with, but then deny them their own assertions, declare them to be false and agenda driven, all while stating that we never listen to YOU.

Delusional.


See, y'all say we never listen to reason but y'all never listen to us. Y'all except us just to listen to guys and accept your word. Every ban story brought up has been refuted. Y'all can't fool us.
I like how your folksy "y'alls" seemingly come out of nowhere and disappear just as quickly.

For you, literally everyone who is complaining is a LIAR who never was banned for the reasons they state, but was banned because they must have spouted HATE/BIGOTRY/RACISM. Anyone claiming a chilling effect or witch hunts existed is a LIAR with an agenda, an agenda that you can't specify or show proof for in any way, but supposedly it exists nonetheless. And this ultimately is hate/bigotry/racism based. You claim that no one ever falsely makes accusations about racism for ANYONE, but also that racism is actually one of the "real" reasons behind everyone that you disagree with. "y'all" just won't admit to it. But oh my gosh why haven't you listened to me. *cry* *cry* YOU ARE HATE FILLED LIARS WHO SPOUT LIES AND THEN CLAIM NOT TO HAVE SPOUTED LIES BUT WHY WON'T YOU JUST LISTEN AND AGREE TO MY "YOU ARE ALL LIARS" PREMISE?!?

Delusional.


Like, at this point who are you trying to convince? I've been on GAF long enough to post 9k+ times and participated many different types of threads to know a lot of what you guys are saying is BS.
Wow. Join Date: 12-01-2014. That makes you an old timer, or something. And 9k+?! It's like an epic saga! A whole 3+ years, 9,126 posts!! And you gained the wisdom and forum proficiency to…call everyone who disagrees with you about toxicity on NeoGAF and a chilling effect/witch hunts nothing more than liars with an agenda trying to hide the real supposed hate/racism/bigotry based reasons for their reactions….

Delusional.


Like, why can't a lot of you actually accept you said some hateful stuff and were banned / hated by members of the community for it? Grow up and accept your issues or else you won't have the respect of the people who you truly admire and chase after.
Wow. Literally wow. Why don't we all just accept your proposal that we are nothing more than liars who spouted "hateful stuff and were banned / hated by members of the community for it"? Because we DIDN'T. Where is your proof for any of your claims? My god you actually asked this question seriously.

Delusional.


There's a reason y'all came out of the woodwork recently: the people who held you accountable left. You feel emboldened now because everyone who you despised left now you can convince whoever is left to believe you were oppressed. Those who you are trying to convince don't buy it.
We came out of the woodwork because the owner of your beloved progressive circle jerk of an echo chamber got his comeuppance after shoving his support for Social Justice and Identity Politics motivated standards down the throats of users here, and then was outed for violating those very standards. A level of hypocrisy that you should appreciate, as big of a hypocrite as you seem to be.

People like the ability to pursue their hobbies without constant preaching or having total wastes of humanity, like yourself, throwing accusations of racism/bigotry/hate/misogyny/xenophobia/homophobia/transphobia/ableism/patriarchy, or whatever other label you want to use to denigrate and dismiss people and ideas you dislike. People dislike hate motivated hypocrites, like yourself, that pretend at holier-than-thou tolerance and diversity of opinions, while being decidedly intolerant and being motivated by hate towards anyone and any idea you don't agree with or like personally. You aren't even clever about it, just thuggish and fascistic in tone and action.

I have no illusions. I fully expect that Malka will survive this, or find a way to profit from a sale. And he or your new benevolent only to progressives dictatorship will add me to a ban list and find a reason to enact it later when they can come up with an excuse. My coming out of the woodwork is a final defiance after a long period of silence which I chose because of the decidedly chilling effect I myself experienced more and more over the recent years.

But you don't even make an allowance for that, you are so decidedly arrogant in your own progressive ignorance. That someone could FEEL something that you don't make an allowance for. That the forum could have toxicity that created a chilling effect, FOR SOMEONE ELSE. Like I said before, you are a waste of a conversation. You learn nothing, you see nothing, you hear nothing. Nothing but the sound of your own slack jawed mouth breathing. What person with any sense of decency could even take pleasure in the sad state that you will continue to exist in? You refuse to make the most basic of allowances for anyone who disagrees with you to be anything more than a hate filled liar with an agenda. What a sad twisted embittered existence you relegate yourself to.

Grow up and gain some basic human decency, you arrogant wretch.
 
Says the guy who barely posted at all

Who are these people?
trolls and alts trying to add fire to the flame, and in doing so delegitimising real members who actually had grievances with evilore and the handling of the website. this whole thing is a mess. you also have trolls/alts caping for evilore in the same way as longstanding members who are desperate to cling onto some semblance of stability. it's people who weren't part of the site that just want to add to the confusion for the lols or out of spite. it's no secret that a lot of these banned users still used alts and a large portion of the internet hated this place long before any of this specific controversy.
 
Understand where you are coming from but the situation here is completely different. Anyway, good for you that you are not going to miss the OT.


It is and I totally thought it was uncharacteristic of him to act like this until I came across other posts.

I replied to the wrong person there, I meant to reply to the person you quoted. Sorry about that.
 
Well, yeah, lotta ya are and just casually throwing out terms and generalizations that fit the bill.

Like, a lot of y'all are complaining about prior bans because of "just disagreeing against the hivemind" or some shit. A lot of us know what you're doing: normalizing and trying to rewrite history to make yourselves victims of oppression when you got caught being rude. Now, y'all are here to dog-pile (a thing you guys said people in the OT loved to do to dissenters) me 'cause you believe I am not believing you. It's funny cause not a single one of you will even admit you maybe said some rude shit. You except everyone to just believe you. We get your game. The people you admire and chase after don't believe you. Deal with it.
Oh my god. Even after all that has happened you still hold on to this narrative. People have been screaming at NeoGAF to reflect on its flaws but no one cared. Now the board has imploded and the community is broken and STILL that is not enough to open your eyes. What has happened is a direct result of this board’s stubbornness to listen and everyone is paying the price for that. This is not the right wing’s fault or the alt - right or GamerGate or whatever it is you want to blame. This is a fault in the very ideology of NeoGaf.

I for one have disassociated myself from these extreme views for a while but today, and thanks to your post, I realize that my time here is done. I won’t ask for a permaban like everyone else (although I really don’t care if I get one) but I’m not coming back. It’s a shame too, there has been some nice memories here.
Peace everyone.
 
Cicero, you can't even be honest about the OT. Don't get bitter cause bigotry wasn't tolerated. Don't worry, your kind has won NeoGAF. You guys are the community now. No more SJWs, no more people asking for decency, none. You can now dispell your anger and finally discuss video games without being hindered by threads you never had to enter in the first place.

I don't blame anyone for shunning you. You're not a chill or friendly person going by your posts. You froze yourself out whether you want to accept it or not. All your whining won't convince those you're targeting otherwise.
 
Well, yeah, lotta ya are and just casually throwing out terms and generalizations that fit the bill.

Like, a lot of y'all are complaining about prior bans because of "just disagreeing against the hivemind" or some shit. A lot of us know what you're doing: normalizing and trying to rewrite history to make yourselves victims of oppression when you got caught being rude. Now, y'all are here to dog-pile (a thing you guys said people in the OT loved to do to dissenters) me 'cause you believe I am not believing you. It's funny cause not a single one of you will even admit you maybe said some rude shit. You except everyone to just believe you. We get your game. The people you admire and chase after don't believe you. Deal with it.

Sorry mate, but you're talking bullshit.
 
What a trainwreck. Can I have a perm please?

Just fucking leave. That cringy attention seeking gets you just as far, you only look stupid in the process.

Here's your perm


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Cicero, you can't even be honest about the OT. Don't get bitter cause bigotry wasn't tolerated. Don't worry, your kind has won NeoGAF. You guys are the community now. No more SJWs, no more people asking for decency, none. You can now dispell your anger and finally discuss video games without being hindered by threads you never had to enter in the first place.

I don't blame anyone for shunning you. You're not a chill or friendly person going by your posts. You froze yourself out whether you want to accept it or not. All your whining won't convince those you're targeting otherwise.

Subpar, no offence, but your arguments embody the issue that a lot of the internet has with this Forum. Disregarding political standpoints (which I know for a fact I probably share many with you, especially when it comes to race, gender and overall equality), the problem GAF has had for a long time is the mob mentality and the complete lack of self awareness. This community does have flaws, and that you and several others fail to acknowledge those so that it can be changed for the better after what happened over the past few days just tells me that this place will continue as a shell of it's former self, having learned nothing.

This whole idea that everyone who doesn't agree with you must be a gamer gater or some such other label is exactly the issue that was widespread on GAF. And again, the simple fact that you refuse to acknowledge that there were any flaws in how the community expressed itself just plays back into the holier than thou attitude that a lot of the internet, and the videogames industry, really hates about NeoGAF.

Carry on, sir.
 
Oh my god. Even after all that has happened you still hold on to this narrative. People have been screaming at NeoGAF to reflect on its flaws but no one cared. Now the board has imploded and the community is broken and STILL that is not enough to open your eyes. What has happened is a direct result of this board’s stubbornness to listen and everyone is paying the price for that. This is not the right wing’s fault or the alt - right or GamerGate or whatever it is you want to blame. This is a fault in the very ideology of NeoGaf.

I for one have disassociated myself from these extreme views for a while but today, and thanks to your post, I realize that my time here is done. I won’t ask for a permaban like everyone else (although I really don’t care if I get one) but I’m not coming back. It’s a shame too, there has been some nice memories here.
Peace everyone.

I don't see that being the reason for the implosion, that's about the owner using his position and trying to suppress stuff about himself and expecting others to do the work.

The political stuff is fixable with a little tweaking of the moderation and laying some clear rules down. You don't need to ban politics or pretend the people in off topic are frothing extremists.
 
Subpar, no offence, but your arguments embody the issue that a lot of the internet has with this Forum. Disregarding political standpoints (which I know for a fact I probably share many with you, especially when it comes to race, gender and overall equality), the problem GAF has had for a long time is the mob mentality and the complete lack of self awareness. This community does have flaws, and that you and several others fail to acknowledge those so that it can be changed for the better after what happened over the past few days just tells me that this place will continue as a shell of it's former self, having learned nothing.

This whole idea that everyone who doesn't agree with you must be a gamer gater or some such other label is exactly the issue that was widespread on GAF. And again, the simple fact that you refuse to acknowledge that there were any flaws in how the community expressed itself just plays back into the holier than thou attitude that a lot of the internet, and the videogames industry, really hates about NeoGAF.

Carry on, sir.
If someone acts and talks like a gamer gater then they will be called so. Same with a bigot

This mob mentality never existed. It wasn't mandatory to talk about your politics or perspectives. Don't get bitter if people called out others for their hateful ways.

It's a damn shame. All the people who clearly have a hate boner for the old OT can never admit they did anything wrong. This weird persecution complex is hilarious. It's also telling of how much kool-aid was drunk.
 
Are we allowed to make a good bye post that is not vile in any way and not be banned or if you make any of “those” threads your automaticly banned?

Sorry if aksed before
 
Cicero, you can't even be honest about the OT. Don't get bitter cause bigotry wasn't tolerated. Don't worry, your kind has won NeoGAF. You guys are the community now. No more SJWs, no more people asking for decency, none. You can now dispell your anger and finally discuss video games without being hindered by threads you never had to enter in the first place.

I don't blame anyone for shunning you. You're not a chill or friendly person going by your posts. You froze yourself out whether you want to accept it or not. All your whining won't convince those you're targeting otherwise.

Please don't generalize. People who are leaving are not necessarily against your way of thinking.
 
My take on this, for what it's worth...



I can literally write a book on how half my Ex's tried to destroy my life, things that were said or simply made up to try to destroy my credibility or assassinate my character, for no other reason other then to be vindictive, vengful, and spiteful.

My Ex of 15 years accussed me and my current wife of hiding in her bushes (Yes, literally), stalking her, claiming we were driving past her house in strange cars (that we never seen in our lives), creeping up on her house looking through her windows! The most absolute ridiculous accusations we being made against me and my wife!!! This was just a year ago! She told my 18 year old daughter that when we lived together i tried to poison her multiple times because her hair was falling out!!! Just some sick sick stuff she was making up to destroy my character! She got a restraining order against me, in which i took it to court and WON, the judge sided with me and dropped it!!! O' and you better believe she heard it from me, right infront of the judge about the disgusting lie she had the nurve to tell my daughter!


Because of these accusations, i had a few friends of mine who didn't know what to believe, and literally didn't talk to me until just recently!

The whole situation left me and my wife dumbfounded!!! Who makes up stories like this???

About 20 yrs ago when i was a teenager one of my sisters friends accused me of something worse then what Tylor is currently being accused of! Was it true? NO, absolutely NOT!!! It never went to court or anything, i busted this girl out infront of MANY people one night and she actually apologized to me! Like really??? But to spread rumors about someone just out of spite is currently the world we live in, i know because i lived through it.


Now, am I siding with Tylor here? No I'm not, but there are many red flags that definitely have me raising a brow with the accuser,MANY!


It just shocks me that someone can "Possibly" make something up about someone and destroy their life in ways that are irrepairable, and these people get a kick out of it, and i say this in a general sense, I'm talking about anybody and anyone, not Tylor, not me, everyone!

For so many to jump ship and convict Tylor guilty before ALL the facts are out, you people are the problem! PLEASE, i pray that none of these people are ever seated on a Jury, their minds will be made up before the trial starts!


Also, about the "Spain" trip years back? This is simply how I took it, my OPINION on how the facts read out... I don't think there is ONE guy (or girl for that matter) that i have met or been friends with over the past 30 (something) years who has not done something so absolutely stupid while being drunk, that could easilly be a court case if taken serious (which no girl or guy abviously did take serious)! Were all idiots sometimes, we make mistakes and hopefully don't repeat them. My first impression on this was that Tylor was obviously being playful and misjudged the girls character/mood,the girl took offence to it and shit hit the fan. As i stated, this is how I took it, simply my opinion on what the facts read and how i processed it based on my many years of experience with clubbing and hanging out at bars.


The whole point of this post... Please don't believe everything you read or hear, especially if it's from a past relationship with both parties involved playing he said she said with eachothers words. Trust me, i know what it's like being accused of actions that were unfounded, untrue, and total lies!

Fact is were all given brains for a reason, some people need to start learning how to use them instead of jumping to an actual, factual conclusion right away, accusations like this can destroy people's lives, i know, i been there.

Finally someone who knows his shit. Thank you.

Maybe it's because I'm old. Maybe I know nothing about American culture. But as someone from Germany who went clubbing in Spain, Italy, Croatia...during my 20s-mid30s I can tell you this: asses are grabbed in clubs, dudes try the dancing from behind thing....hell even I got my assed several times squezed by random chicks. Culture shock is real - I often found myself thinking: woah, chicks from....are batshit-crazy. If you don't like that aspect about club culture, stay at home or choose your parties more wisely, because it happens more frequently at the alpha-heavy mass compatible electronica events. I didn't see many of the assgrab-crowd at DnB parties for example. Clubs are dark and loud, so how do you make contact? Not trying to defend this shit, but let's be real: a club visit will only lead to a sexual encounter if someone leaves the comfort zone and does something bold and sometimes people fail at this. So it's either:
1. Leave the club alone
2. Emberrass yourself because you've made a wrong move
3. Have sex because your or a girl's bold move in alignment with the consensus that you find each other attractive.

This can feel pretty random at times and frustrating for everyone involved.
Clubs= alcohol, loud music, drugs, sex and lots of testosterone (tons more of it, the further you go South of Germany), so don't be surprised if this isn't the best place to "just go dancing with the girls."

Not saying that this kind of behaviour is fine, but I'm sure my boss wouldn't give two shits about me or a peer grabbing some butt in a club. Neither my family or friends. They would say "not cool" and leave it at that. No one would start a trial.
 
To everyone who thinks this site’s culture was horrible because it was “too leftist”, and this is some kind of “see your all hippcrits because the leader was one!” situation...

This whole meltdown’s entire point is that the community is acting as responsibly as it can now that many more of us know about these allegations. We aren’t making excuses or letting things slide, especially given the history and response to the situation. Everyone, most of whom probably love GAF, are dropping it for the greater good and restarting elsewhere. None of us are excited about this, I know I’m not.

And to those saying “well the doing this
But your not boycotting X or Y”...
Step back for a second. Why are you crying at people for taking a small stand here? Boycotting one shady site /person is better than none, any way you cut it.

Waiting for the reset to begin...
 
Just fucking leave. That cringy attention seeking gets you just as far, you only look stupid in the process.

Here's your perm

You don't seem to understand. People aren't requesting bans just because they don't want to use the site anymore. They're doing it so their account doesn't show up as an active GAF user. It's the only way to completely remove their presence.
 
you think anyone will believe you?
you dumb elf looking piece of shit
also delete my account ! :D

Fuck off you vomit layered cunt.

So you can’t admit to anything?

Should’ve left it dead. Fuck Amirox, peace.

So this place is pretty much dead then.

This website is done. We moved on. Don't call us your "community". Bye.

Eat my ass shitbag.

Hey bud? You're a fucking coward, as evidenced by displacing or erasing communities with zero notice. Mental Health thread, trans thread, LGBT threads, other minority threads where people may have only had each other as a support system.

But hey, gotta protect that ego right? Peace.

Nah man, I'm out

Fuck you Evilore you absolute cunt. Please kill my account, I want nothing to do with you or this site anymore.

Shove it up your ass you fucking coward

You're fucking delusional, my dude. I'll see you all on ERA.

Please, we have heard enough from mods to know they did not leave over stress and harassment. At least try to lie better.

Bye Bitch.

(Evilore, so we're perfectly clear)

Evilore is a good boy, he dindu nuffin.

Eat shit Tyler. Not even worth responding to beyond that. Ban me I'm out.

I can't post here in good conscience if the ownership doesn't change.

Without knowing who the current mods are, I'll just leave my request for a permanent ban here.



Change ownership.

neogaf is back
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NeoGAF is over and you killed it. It's time for you to move on because the rest of us don't want to be here or associated with you or your site any longer.

You deserve zero respect from me or anyone else here.

These posts are the posts that matter.
 
Lot of decent folks in that list.

Never understood the hate for Morrigan or Slayven. Of course I don't give a shit about comics, so maybe that's why ;p

Slayven the "comic-messiah". He even had his own apostles who screamed him into existence whenever someone mentioned comics, so he could lay his "wisdom" down on them.

Comic-GAF was no fun at all.
 
Lot of decent folks in that list.

Never understood the hate for Morrigan or Slayven. Of course I don't give a shit about comics, so maybe that's why ;p
I found that suspect too, so I did a quick Google search and yup. The hate for Slayven comes straight from the "NeoFAG" board on voat. He's accused of being a race-baiter (AKA, "he made me say racist shit"), baiting bans, siccing mods on people, etc.

In fact pretty much everyone who has been singled out in this thread as an "example of the shitty community/moderation on NeoGAF" or whatever has their own thread on voat. Imagine my surprise.
 
Would appreciate a link to the ResetEra discord or member application page, some of the mods choices are discouraging but it might turn out all right. Tbh I don't really care about what's happening with Evilore, but it's tough to see a bright future for this forum, and it can't hurt to be members of both.
 
ill stick to this place till the end. I know where my loyalties are. Fucking idiots!

Posting one comment every 2 days for a year is grounds for such undying loyalty? I don't think you should be making assessments on other people's intelligence.

you don't start off a new forum from scratch and have that many staffers.

It's hardly a new forum when it'll have many of the users from here.

Sure you need to prep, but every single post is going to be vetted 10x more than one would hope. Ugn..

Well yeah, obviously. There's going to be a bunch of trolls trying to join and spam stuff at the beginning and there will need to be a fair few moderators to curate all of the content. They're not all going to be able to be online at the same time.

Would appreciate a link to the ResetEra discord or member application page, some of the mods choices are discouraging but it might turn out all right. Tbh I don't really care about what's happening with Evilore, but it's tough to see a bright future for this forum, and it can't hurt to be members of both.

Discord is currently locked due to 4chan and voat trolls. Site will be live for regular applications soon, so far they're just letting community reps get threads together so that thousands of people don't descend into an empty forum. Was meant to be live a couple hours ago but they wanted to tweak some settings and give more communities time to organise their OT's and make claims to news threads.
 
This cult-like worship of specific forum members and moderators seems so weird to me. Some people will leave, who cares? People come and go all the time.
 
This cult-like worship of specific forum members and moderators seems so weird to me. Some people will leave, who cares? People come and go all the time.

1. You're over exaggerating.

2. In forums, members who establish a reputation for having insider knowledge, specialist knowledge/skills/hobbies or can conduct themselves and communicate with a high level of efficiency are super valuable.
 
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