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[teezzy]

I read comics fairly often: Buffy, Hack/Slash, Spider-Man, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Batman, etc. They're a fun median between literary and visual entertainment.

I LOVED both the Daredevil and Arrow series. I think the extended format allows the characters to breathe more, and it's fun to follow their adventures as they go.

The pre-MCU stuff was right on the money for me. Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy, the Fox X-Men movies, and the first two Blade movies remain my favorites of the genre.

I wish so badly I could understand the appeal of the MCU. Something just feels 'off' but apparently they're most comic fans' wet dreams. I just dont get it. It all feels so banal.

Can anyone else relate?

 

[lock2k]

Amen.

Superhero movies are mostly goofy-ass shit that presents itself as serious business™ .

I'm a big fan of Superhero Cartoons because cartoons can be just as wild as HQs and they are not restrained by the live action aspect of it.

But I can't stand movies from the MCU. They're mostly trash. I agree with you that superhero movies pre-MCU were way more fun. Add the Batman movies to that list, even the bad ones, they were at least entertaining.

I admit I'm more of a DC fan than Marvel but I love everything Marvel in gaming and comics and cartoons.

 

[teezzy]

I really didnt intend for this to be an MCU bashing thread, but I haven't seen any DC movies outside of Batman.

I will say that the two better MCU flicks are Guardians of the Galaxy and Winter Soldier. Moreso because they feel like a scifi action movie and a spy thriller more than superhero flick.

I'd love to watch those O.G. Superman movies one day. The Dean Cain show from the 90s was a childhood favorite of mine.

 

[lock2k]

I really didnt intend for this to be an MCU bashing thread, but I haven't seen any DC movies outside of Batman.

I will say that the two better MCU flicks are Guardians of the Galaxy and Winter Soldier. Moreso because they feel like a scifi action movie and a spy thriller more than superhero flick.

I'd love to watch those O.G. Superman movies one day. The Dean Cain show from the 90s was a childhood favorite of mine.

Oh, I don't mean to turn it into such thread either. It's just that I get tired of everyone praising MCU to hell and back and I just think it's boring. To be fair, I ain't much into the recent DC movies as well. But I love the cartoons.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

If the production value of the show is up to par, then I definitely agree.

Though, Doom Patrol feels very very low budget but that’s almost part of its charm. One of the ever comics TV series ever imo

There’s just so much that can’t be fit into one movie, especially when 90 percent of villains get killed in their only film (why do they do this so often?)

Winter Soldier and The Dark Knight are examples of two comic book movies that I think movie fans who aren’t also comic fans can greatly enjoy

 

[-Arcadia-]

I think it translates just fine to movies, per your own examples.

The problem is that the MCU stuff, for the most part, isn’t good. It’s the junk food of filmmaking. You eat it, enjoy it for what it is in the moment, and don’t really ever think about it again.

Unfortunately, ever since Iron Man, people, for some reason, have decided to praise this as the be-all and end-all of superhero filmmaking, and thus, we’re stuck with a thousand entrants in the same mold.

 

[teezzy]

Both Ghost World and American Splendor are two of my favorite movies ever. Both adapted from comics, but those are like the antithesis of the superhero genre.

I'm pretty sure Hellboy was sweet too, and Constantine. Maybe the MCU really does fucking suck lmfao. But like what about em makes them so disposable?

 

[-Arcadia-]

Both Ghost World and American Splendor are two of my favorite movies ever. Both adapted from comics, but those are like the antithesis of the superhero genre.

I'm pretty sure Hellboy was sweet too, and Constantine. Maybe the MCU really does fucking suck lmfao. But like what about em makes them so disposable?

Imo, it’s a lack of substance, heart, and soul.

Stuff like Raimi Spider Man, 3 aside, lol, really drew you into the characters and story. So all the action scenes and effects really, actually meant something.

MCU is just generic snark/humor, shallow, unappealing character and story set-ups, and utterly unearned crazy CG scenes belched out by unbelievably powerful render farms, with very little actual directing skill in putting them together. Kind of ripped that last one of from prequel criticism, but it fits.

It’s telling that when this approach was applied to a franchise people actually hold in high regard, Star Wars, it fell flat on its face, and was universally rejected.

 

[-Arcadia-]

Infinity War and Winter Soldier are the only good ones. Because there’s an actual well-developed story to them, great characterization, and generally, both movies go above and beyond to deliver in all aspects.

 

[nush]

I'd love to watch those O.G. Superman movies one day.

You really want to get on that, just the first two anyway and maybe the Donner Cut of Superman II. They are both on Blu-ray.

 

[lrt75914]

With regards to the topic I would argue that movies like Dredd 3D and Logan have
shown that they can translate just as well to the movie format. The reason why the
MCU feels so pointless is, at least in my opinion, because there is no one at marvel
that really wants to tell a cohesive and well structured story. The movies exist to make
money and promote the next batch of releases. The source material is soley there for
marketing purposes and easy access to story threads that can be cannibalized by
their story group-

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Which one is the one where Superman can kiss away other people’s memories

With regards to the topic I would argue that movies like Dredd 3D and Logan have
shown that they can translate just as well to the movie format. The reason why the
MCU feels so pointless is, at least in my opinion, because there is no one at marvel
that really wants to tell a cohesive and well structured story. The movies exist to make
money and promote the next batch of releases. The source material is soley there for
marketing purposes and easy access to story threads that can be cannibalized by
their story group-

It still hurts me that we won’t ever get a Dredd sequel. Such a shame it didn’t make enough money. It is So good.

 

[lrt75914]

Which one is the one where Superman can kiss away other people’s memories


It still hurts me that we won’t ever get a Dredd sequel. Such a shame it didn’t make enough money. It is So good.

I think there's still hope. Dredd's an old fart in the recent comic books as well
and judging by his performance in the boys I'd say Karl still has still plenty of
juice left in him to reprise his role. Doubtful that it will ever be as good as the
first one, but you'll never now. I thought Fury Road and Bladreunner 2049 would
suck but they turned out just fine.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I dunno. Most capeshit shows feel low budget.

The high budget of capeshit movies feel more like the comics imo. I thought MCU is doing a really good job of capturing that feel even with all the milking.

Hellboy with Ron Perlmam felt good too.

Superhero imo usually needs that crazy high budget most of the time. I feel at least.

If it's darker and more serious Alan Moore type shit though it works maybe better with TV.

Fwiw all the Marvel TV shows have sucked so far that I've seen. Holy crap they really butchered the Punisher.

 

[Malakhov]

Nope, the MCU was the most epic experience for me. Ive started to watch them in order again with my kids, this will be very hard to top for me.

 

[chitzy]

I read comics fairly often: Buffy, Hack/Slash, Spider-Man, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Batman, etc. They're a fun median between literary and visual entertainment.

I LOVED both the Daredevil and Arrow series. I think the extended format allows the characters to breathe more, and it's fun to follow their adventures as they go.

The pre-MCU stuff was right on the money for me. Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy, the Fox X-Men movies, and the first two Blade movies remain my favorites of the genre.

I wish so badly I could understand the appeal of the MCU. Something just feels 'off' but apparently they're most comic fans' wet dreams. I just dont get it. It all feels so banal.

Can anyone else relate?

When I was younger I enjoyed the MCU but as I matured I realized it's repetitive, formulaic garbage targeted towards children with short attention spans who are fascinated by bright colors. Disney's takeover and injecting their social agenda garbage certainly hasn't helped its case.

When I went back and rewatched Spiderman 2 recently I was astounded at how much better a movie it is than the MCU junk. It spans the full range of emotions and contains actual tension and shocking moments. In MCU movies, pretty much everyone has the same personality - wise ass - and the tone of the movie is so bright that there is never any sense of actual tension. Probably exacerbated by the fact that everyone knows the production schedules and contract situations ahead of time so if someone actually dies, we know it well in advance.

Spiderman 2, The Dark Knight and Logan are the only "comic book" movies that are worth a shit, at least of the ones I've seen.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

When I was younger I enjoyed the MCU but as I matured I realized it's repetitive, formulaic garbage targeted towards children with short attention spans who are fascinated by bright colors. Disney's takeover and injecting their social agenda garbage certainly hasn't helped its case.

When I went back and rewatched Spiderman 2 recently I was astounded at how much better a movie it is than the MCU junk. It spans the full range of emotions and contains actual tension and shocking moments. In MCU movies, pretty much everyone has the same personality - wise ass - and the tone of the movie is so bright that there is never any sense of actual tension. Probably exacerbated by the fact that everyone knows the production schedules and contract situations ahead of time so if someone actually dies, we know it well in advance.

Spiderman 2, The Dark Knight and Logan are the only "comic book" movies that are worth a shit, at least of the ones I've seen.

I hate that 'everyone is snarky' attitude that's so prevalent in MCU and a lot of tv shows in general.

 

[teezzy]

Is Ghost Rider dope?

Like how could that not be dope?

 

[lock2k]

I hate that 'everyone is snarky' attitude that's so prevalent in MCU and a lot of tv shows in general.

What I despise about MCU is how their movies are for people who are not into superheroes and would otherwise hate superhero shit.

Virtuallly everyone I knew at my company who was into MCU movies did not give a shit about HQ's, TV shows, cartoons or anything else that was related to super heroes. They just bought into the MCU movie hype and thought those were the definitive stories of those characters.

 

[Grand Theft Scratchy]

I would really like to see a live-action Spider-Man television show. A lot of potential for guest characters like Ezekiel and Morlun in the Spider Totem story arc.

 

[triplestation]

agree

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I would really like to see a live-action Spider-Man television show. A lot of potential for guest characters like Ezekiel and Morlun during the Spider Totem story arc.

That would be awesome. I wonder what network that show would be on. Disney+?

 

[teezzy]

I'd love any sort of adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt. Reckon I'd kill a man for that

 

[Shrinky Dink]

Paper comic books are so expensive so I lost interest and sold all mine. I guess I could go to the library to read them like a lot of kids do after school these days. (Well, not in the past months due to Coronavirus I guess.)

I don't enjoy comic book movies either. The Dark Knight was okay I guess.

 

[Paracelsus]

Depends, action scenes are cool when done well, but grown men and women wearing halloween costumes and cracking jokes? That works better on paper because without voice/acting it's way less cringeworthy.

 

[quickwhips]

I read comics fairly often: Buffy, Hack/Slash, Spider-Man, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Batman, etc. They're a fun median between literary and visual entertainment.

I LOVED both the Daredevil and Arrow series. I think the extended format allows the characters to breathe more, and it's fun to follow their adventures as they go.

The pre-MCU stuff was right on the money for me. Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy, the Fox X-Men movies, and the first two Blade movies remain my favorites of the genre.

I wish so badly I could understand the appeal of the MCU. Something just feels 'off' but apparently they're most comic fans' wet dreams. I just dont get it. It all feels so banal.

Can anyone else relate?

Hack/slash was so awesome why can’t that be a tv show similar to supernatural.

 

[Tesseract]

maybe

i'm with kubrick tho, if it can be thought it can be filmed

 

[lock2k]

Whoever said Spiderman 2 is better than the entirety of MCU is completely right.

I watched it last year and it still holds up. Great movie.

 

[sol_bad]

For me, so far, television budget is just too small for super hero stuff. Even shows like Umbrella Academy, The Boys and Watchmen felt too low budget for what they wanted to accomplish. Yeah, they are still good shows but you know they are constrained compared to what they could do on a cinematic level. I'll reserve full judgement for the Disney+ shows though.

On the movie front, I've made this argument before but the MCU stuff is way better than what we got prior to Iron Man. Between 1995 and 2007 we got Blade 2, Spider-Man 2 and X-Men 2 as top tier stuff on the Marvel side and just Batman Begins on the DC side. Everything else was terrible, schlocky made shit that was made by people who had no idea what they were doing, manufactured by the studios.

The MCU films are made by the creators, there is no "writers room" and there has been no studio interference since the start of phase 3. As far as I know it's only phase 2 that had studio interference with Iron Man 3, Thor 2 and Age of Ultron.
I'm sure some people would include the first Ant-Man but was Edgar Wrights own fault, he jumped on the train way too late. Once Peyton Reed was onboard to direct things went smoothly.
Quite frankly, if anyone thinks that the MCU films have no heart and soul in them, I truly believe that person is watching the films with phone in hand barely paying attention. Just watch audience reactions for Infinity War and Endgame, you don't get that with any other franchise. And you don't get that without heart and soul.

As for comics themselves, I gave up on singles. Currently just subbed to Marvel Unlimited. Up to 1967 and have read about 420 issues.

 

[teezzy]

Hack/slash was so awesome why can’t that be a tv show similar to supernatural.

They'd been trying to adapt it to a movie for a while but it never took off. I agree though, that's a property which has Amazon Prime Original written all over it

 

[synchronicity]

I agree. Although 99% of mainstream cinema in general is trash imho.

If somebody drags me to the movies, I usually end up falling asleep.

 

[quickwhips]

They'd been trying to adapt it to a movie for a while but it never took off. I agree though, that's a property which has Amazon Prime Original written all over it

Would be great like the boys.

 

[diffusionx]

The MCU really is just a TV show that has 90+ minute episodes that come out a few times a year. The story is told like a tv show, people watch it like tv shows (watch the current one because they watched the old one and you need to know what happens here to watch the next one), etc.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

i agree, mostly because superheros were born with comic books. tv can be serialized but the production takes too long. there is nothing quite like comics for delivering a certain kind of story with a certain flow to it.

imo hand drawn art (pencil & ink, trad animation) will always be superior to machine made (cgi, digital compositing). there is something in the movement of the human hand that imbues such works with a life and a spirit that cannot be digitally replicated, at least not easily. comic books have a root in that classical fantasy & pulp fiction tradition that generated paperbacks and comic strips as well. a movie takes place almost entirely on the screen. a comic book takes place half on the page and half in your imagination.

yes you can put those designs on screen but it really isn't the same, very much like how a movie is not the same as a book. the comic is made of snapshots and leaves lots of space for interpretation, whereas the movie is far more of a top-down corporately dictated product.

 

[Bigrx1]

I'm just completely burned out on them. I think it was last year I was talking with a friend about it and decided to look at how many superhero movies were in the pipeline for the next 3-4 years and it was like 30-40 movies.

 

[Hulk_Smash]

Man, I feel like there’s a whole lot of “I don’t like popular thing because popular thing is popular.” going on in this thread. But throw in some safe picks like Winter Soldier or Dark Knight- I mean that is some hipster level shit right there.

And some of y’all holding up Spider-man 2 as the prime example of a good superhero movie is debatable. I could write a dissertation on how bad that movie is.

- a movie with a villain that is not actually morally culpable for his actions, is treated as such and dies in the end anyway.
- the way he becomes a villain is so mind-numbingly stupid that it could only be surpassed by the way Sandman becomes a villain in the very next movie.
- Toby Mcquire is Spider-Man.
- Pancake Face is Mary Jane and is worse than she was in the first movie.
- Spider-man loses his powers for no reason and then gains the back for no reason. It’s never explained properly. It is a plot device with zero narrative. Superman 2 did it better.
- the train scene where everyone sees spider-man’s face and they’re all cool with keeping his secret.
- Everyone in Peter’s life exists solely give him advice (except Jameson).
- Peter Parker is treated like shit throughout the entire movie so much so that I find it difficult to believe that THAT many people would treat someone who is a genius and physically fit as some kind of asshole. Well that is until the very end when Pancake Face leaves a dude at the fucking altar to come running into Peter’s arms.
- the freeze frame scene with Toby all smiles should have been a warning of things to come in Spider-Man 3.

No, y’all are just spoiled. We’ve had SO many superhero movies that we can be this finicky. I was an adult when X-men came out back in 2000 and couldn’t believe we were getting a Marvel movie on the big screen. If you would’ve told me that something as BIG as the MCU was coming and I’d get to see all those heroes take on Thanos and the infinity gauntlet, I wouldn’t have believed you.

I do agree that some of it is formulaic. I don’t need to see another origin story for as long as I live. And none of the new IPs being introduced in phase 4 are interesting to me.

But, to act like the MCU wasn’t something special with a ton of highlights and only a few lowlights is- I don’t know, being stubborn or maybe just too desensitized or as someone else said, you’re just not paying attention.

 

[Hulk_Smash]

I'm just completely burned out on them. I think it was last year I was talking with a friend about it and decided to look at how many superhero movies were in the pipeline for the next 3-4 years and it was like 30-40 movies.

I can agree with the statement. I loved the ride that phases 1-3 of the MCU provided. But there is very little reason for me to keep on going.

Burnout will be a very real thing in the near future.

 

[lock2k]

Man, I feel like there’s a whole lot of “I don’t like popular thing because popular thing is popular.” going on in this thread. But throw in some safe picks like Winter Soldier or Dark Knight- I mean that is some hipster level shit right there.

And some of y’all holding up Spider-man 2 as the prime example of a good superhero movie is debatable. I could write a dissertation on how bad that movie is.

- a movie with a villain that is not actually morally culpable for his actions, is treated as such and dies in the end anyway.
- the way he becomes a villain is so mind-numbingly stupid that it could only be surpassed by the way Sandman becomes a villain in the very next movie.
- Toby Mcquire is Spider-Man.
- Pancake Face is Mary Jane and is worse than she was in the first movie.
- Spider-man loses his powers for no reason and then gains the back for no reason. It’s never explained properly. It is a plot device with zero narrative. Superman 2 did it better.
- the train scene where everyone sees spider-man’s face and they’re all cool with keeping his secret.
- Everyone in Peter’s life exists solely give him advice (except Jameson).
- Peter Parker is treated like shit throughout the entire movie so much so that I find it difficult to believe that THAT many people would treat someone who is a genius and physically fit as some kind of asshole. Well that is until the very end when Pancake Face leaves a dude at the fucking altar to come running into Peter’s arms.
- the freeze frame scene with Toby all smiles should have been a warning of things to come in Spider-Man 3.

No, y’all are just spoiled. We’ve had SO many superhero movies that we can be this finicky. I was an adult when X-men came out back in 2000 and couldn’t believe we were getting a Marvel movie on the big screen. If you would’ve told me that something as BIG as the MCU was coming and I’d get to see all those heroes take on Thanos and the infinity gauntlet, I wouldn’t have believed you.

I do agree that some of it is formulaic. I don’t need to see another origin story for as long as I live. And none of the new IPs being introduced in phase 4 are interesting to me.

But, to act like the MCU wasn’t something special with a ton of highlights and only a few lowlights is- I don’t know, being stubborn or maybe just too desensitized or as someone else said, you’re just not paying attention.

With all of its problems... Spiderman 2 is simply fun.

They have charisma. I don't know how to explain. It's justgood to watch.

And Toby Mcguire is fine for the part.

Also, I don't like the Bale Batman movies. I prefer the goofy Batman from the 90's. Way more entertaining.