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The Terminator: Because Arnold always said that he would be back...

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Released upon an unsuspecting public back in the fall of 1984, "The Terminator" launched the career of James Cameron and made Arnold Schwarzenegger a household name.

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Where is your God now?


Wikipedia said:
In Rome, during the release of Piranha II: The Spawning director James Cameron grew ill and had a dream about a metallic torso dragging itself from an explosion holding kitchen knives. When Cameron returned to Pomona, California he stayed at Randall Frakes' home where he wrote a draft for The Terminator. Cameron later stated that his influences while writing the script were 1950s science fiction films, episodes of The Outer Limits as well as contemporary films including The Driver and The Road Warrior. To translate the draft into a script Cameron enlisted his friend Bill Wisher who had a similar approach to storytelling. Cameron gave Wisher the early scenes involving Sarah Connor and the police department scenes to write. As Wisher lived far away from Cameron, the two communicated script ideas by recording tapes of what they wrote by telephone. Cameron's agent hated the idea for The Terminator and told him to work on something else. After this, Cameron fired his agent. The initial outline of the script involved two Terminators sent to the past. The first was similar to the Terminator in the film, while the second was a liquid metal cyborg that could not be destroyed with conventional weaponry. Cameron could not think of a good way to depict this robot, stating that he "was seeing things in his head that couldn't be done with existing technology." The story of the cyborgs in the film was cut down to a single robot idea. The liquid metal Terminator would be revisited with the T-1000 character in the 1991 sequel Terminator 2: Judgment Day.
Gale Anne Hurd, who had worked at New World Pictures as Roger Corman's assistant showed interest in the film project. Cameron sold the rights for The Terminator to Hurd for one dollar with the promise that she would produce it only if Cameron was to direct it. As a producer, Hurd had suggested edits to the script and took a screen writing credit in the film. Cameron has stated that Hurd "did no actual writing at all". Cameron and Hurd had friends who worked with Roger Corman previously and who were now working at Orion Pictures. Orion agreed to distribute the film if Cameron could get financial backing elsewhere. The script was picked up by John Daly at Hemdale Pictures. Cameron wanted his pitch for Daly to finalize the deal and had his friend Lance Henriksen show up to the meeting early dressed and acting like the Terminator. Henriksen showed up at the office kicking open the door wearing a leather jacket and had gold foil smothered on his teeth and fake cuts on his face and then sat in a chair. Cameron arrived shortly after which relieved the staff from Henriksen's act. Daly was impressed by the screenplay and Cameron's sketches and passion for the film. In late 1982 Daly agreed to back the film with help from HBO and Orion. The Terminator was originally budgeted at $4 million and later raised to $6.5 million.
The film marked the first collaboration between Cameron and many talented people. Obviously it launched the dream team of Cameron and Schwarzenegger, but it also paired Cameron with the following:

Linda Hamilton (future ex wife)
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Before she got into bestiality with Ron Perlman

Michael Biehn (Scullibundo's mancrush)
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"I am so awesome they based ads of Solid Snake off of my visage in this film."

Bill Paxton
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One of Cameron's good luck charms

Stan Winston (the legendary effects man)
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"Oh, hi! I only built the Terminator, Alien Queen, The Predator, the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, and the Iron Man armor. I was the fucking man."

The film also has one of the most iconic and awesome main themes of the last thirty years: Terminator Main Theme
The team of Arnold, Cameron, and composer Brad Fidel would continue with the awesomeness of Terminator 2 and True Lies.

I don't think anyone really needs a description of the plot of the film. It is simple and straightforward. The film is low budget, but so ruthlessly efficient that you rarely ever stop to notice.

Let's recap some of our favorite moments, shall we?
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Wash day tomorrow…

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Still an intense build up to this scene.

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And to think, Cameron originally wanted Arnold for the Reese character and OJ Simpson as The Terminator

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One of the most imitated aspects of the film

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And a catchphrase was born.


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Moments before the big reveal.


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Admit it. This gave you nightmares as a kid.


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I still want to see a movie based on THIS version of the future war.


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Literally, the stuff of nightmares


Terminator 2 gets the most attention, and it is a damn near flawless movie; but the original is an incredibly tight and focused thriller, that is still a ton of fun to watch today.

What better way to celebrate Arnold's return to acting that to watch the film that took him from being a star to being a megastar?
 

Salsa

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everytime i watch that scene...

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I dont know why, always found them similar.




carry on



and T2 is way better.
 
Gooster said:
Obligatory T1 > T2

T1 is a better movie than T2.
I will agree that T1 is a more efficient and lean film than T2, but T2 holds up better. If that makes any sense. T2 is just about perfect in my opinion, but T1 is this lean and mean little film that accomplishes so much with so little.

I would be curious to see what James Cameron could have done with the first Terminator movie if he had the money and resources he had for T2.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
I would be curious to see what James Cameron could have done with the first Terminator movie if he had the money and resources he had for T2.

I fear he would have done a Lucas.

And yet, it would be so excellent if he retconned T3 and TS out of existence and actually did make a Terminator film based upon the future scenes from T1 & T2. Given the risks - and the track record of past-their-prime directors* revisiting their early work - I'm more than happy to leave such sequels to the imagination.

*I thought Avatar was an awful movie.
 
bonesmccoy said:
I fear he would have done a Lucas.

And yet, it would be so excellent if he retconned T3 and TS out of existence and actually did make a Terminator film based upon the future scenes from T1 & T2. Given the risks - and the track record of past-their-prime directors* revisiting their early work - I'm more than happy to leave such sequels to the imagination.

*I thought Avatar was an awful movie.
Hate on Avatar's script all you want, but Cameron is so far ahead of people on the technical front it isn't funny.
 

gblues

Banned
Here's how I expect the franchise to finally end.

Have you noticed how the Terminators have become more and more human? The T-800 was mostly robotic. The T-1000 had better imitating capabilities. The fembot was both hot and deadly. And the final one was so human that it didn't even know it was a Terminator until Skynet told it.

The setting is post-judgement day. The humans are winning against Skynet, but they have new intelligence about Skynet's temporal research. Of course, John Connor knows what's about to happen so they mount the final assault.

A few amazing set pieces later, John Connor and Kyle Reese infiltrate Skynet's temporal lab. Kyle is sent back to 1984. Connor uses his hacking skills on a spare T-800 and sends it back to 1991. But he notices another entry in Skynet's log, labeled "A&E." He pulls up information on the computer and sees A&E is still being held in a second temporal lab.

John races to the lab. There are two tanks here, each with a humanoid shape in them. One appears to be male, the other female. There's all sorts of weird-looking sci-fi shit hooked up to the tanks. John reads the nameplates: "ADAM" and "EVE". Suddenly, alarms go off as the temporal system activates. John bolts back to the main room and begins trying to hack the computer system, trying to shut down the time warp. He fails, but he is able to see the destination time period: 10,000 B.C.

Cut to a calm looking pasture/garden. We get the standard electrical storm effects typical of Terminator teleport, and ADAM and EVE are left laying in the field. We then cut to first-person view showing the Terminator boot sequence, culminating in the message: Commence operation: REPRODUCTION. The blinking stops, the HUD disappears. Cut to a close-up, and we see the tell-tale red eyes fade to a completely human face. Adam and Eve look at each other and smile innocently. Credits.

You see, the machines ultimately win, because we are the machines.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
PhoncipleBone said:
Hate on Avatar's script all you want, but Cameron is so far ahead of people on the technical front it isn't funny.

Doesn't mean shit without a solid foundation...sorry.

T1>T2 any day of the week.
 

geeko

Member
I don't really enjoy comparing T1 to T2 cause honestly they feel like 2 completely separate genres. T1 is one of the best thrillers EVER. Where as T2 is pretty much the best action movie EVER. Apples and oranges.
 
T1 is definitely better than T2. The plot of T2 is so similar to the first one that it's almost a remake, but with Arnold as Kyle Reese and a new robot as Arnold. Open with the future war, 2 people come back from the future to protect a Connor, they fight, they kill the bad one and then the good one dies and they drive off at the end to an unknown future.
 

Instro

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Synth_floyd said:
T1 is definitely better than T2. The plot of T2 is so similar to the first one that it's almost a remake, but with Arnold as Kyle Reese and a new robot as Arnold. Open with the future war, 2 people come back from the future to protect a Connor, they fight, they kill the bad one and then the good one dies and they drive off at the end to an unknown future.

I could describe any sequel as a remake with that line of thinking.
 

Dead

well not really...yet
Cameron needs to get off his ass and supervise a new BRD transfer now that MGM is starting to get out of the water (which IIRC was the reason why a remaster has been held up)
 

Salsa

Member
gblues said:
Here's how I expect the franchise to finally end.

Have you noticed how the Terminators have become more and more human? The T-800 was mostly robotic. The T-1000 had better imitating capabilities. The fembot was both hot and deadly. And the final one was so human that it didn't even know it was a Terminator until Skynet told it.

The setting is post-judgement day. The humans are winning against Skynet, but they have new intelligence about Skynet's temporal research. Of course, John Connor knows what's about to happen so they mount the final assault.

A few amazing set pieces later, John Connor and Kyle Reese infiltrate Skynet's temporal lab. Kyle is sent back to 1984. Connor uses his hacking skills on a spare T-800 and sends it back to 1991. But he notices another entry in Skynet's log, labeled "A&E." He pulls up information on the computer and sees A&E is still being held in a second temporal lab.

John races to the lab. There are two tanks here, each with a humanoid shape in them. One appears to be male, the other female. There's all sorts of weird-looking sci-fi shit hooked up to the tanks. John reads the nameplates: "ADAM" and "EVE". Suddenly, alarms go off as the temporal system activates. John bolts back to the main room and begins trying to hack the computer system, trying to shut down the time warp. He fails, but he is able to see the destination time period: 10,000 B.C.

Cut to a calm looking pasture/garden. We get the standard electrical storm effects typical of Terminator teleport, and ADAM and EVE are left laying in the field. We then cut to first-person view showing the Terminator boot sequence, culminating in the message: Commence operation: REPRODUCTION. The blinking stops, the HUD disappears. Cut to a close-up, and we see the tell-tale red eyes fade to a completely human face. Adam and Eve look at each other and smile innocently. Credits.

You see, the machines ultimately win, because we are the machines.


That's awful.

But its creative and i respect your take :p
 

Bad_Boy

time to take my meds
gblues said:
Here's how I expect the franchise to finally end.

Have you noticed how the Terminators have become more and more human? The T-800 was mostly robotic. The T-1000 had better imitating capabilities. The fembot was both hot and deadly. And the final one was so human that it didn't even know it was a Terminator until Skynet told it.

The setting is post-judgement day. The humans are winning against Skynet, but they have new intelligence about Skynet's temporal research. Of course, John Connor knows what's about to happen so they mount the final assault.

A few amazing set pieces later, John Connor and Kyle Reese infiltrate Skynet's temporal lab. Kyle is sent back to 1984. Connor uses his hacking skills on a spare T-800 and sends it back to 1991. But he notices another entry in Skynet's log, labeled "A&E." He pulls up information on the computer and sees A&E is still being held in a second temporal lab.

John races to the lab. There are two tanks here, each with a humanoid shape in them. One appears to be male, the other female. There's all sorts of weird-looking sci-fi shit hooked up to the tanks. John reads the nameplates: "ADAM" and "EVE". Suddenly, alarms go off as the temporal system activates. John bolts back to the main room and begins trying to hack the computer system, trying to shut down the time warp. He fails, but he is able to see the destination time period: 10,000 B.C.

Cut to a calm looking pasture/garden. We get the standard electrical storm effects typical of Terminator teleport, and ADAM and EVE are left laying in the field. We then cut to first-person view showing the Terminator boot sequence, culminating in the message: Commence operation: REPRODUCTION. The blinking stops, the HUD disappears. Cut to a close-up, and we see the tell-tale red eyes fade to a completely human face. Adam and Eve look at each other and smile innocently. Credits.

You see, the machines ultimately win, because we are the machines.

Sounds like something that would fit better in the matrix. or something.

keep that adam and eve shit out of my Terminator.
 
Guevara said:
Arnold's greater as the villain, T1 > T2.

And this is why T1 is so much better than T2.

What made the film work was Arnold. You cast anyone else in that role and T1 would have been a failure. At the time Arnold was still largely unknown to most of the film audience. That together with his wooden emotionless voice acting and off kilter pronunciation made the Terminator seem that much more real. While Arnold was still very raw as an actor, what he did have was physical confidence and a presence on screen. He moved and handled weapons like you would imagine a Terminator would.

Put all of that together with a well written and serious sci-fi film and you end up with a movie that almost felt like a documentary. It's what made the movie work so well.


Also: T1 has Bill Paxton whereas T2 does not. By virtue of the Bill Paxton rule T1 is better.
 
DeadTrees said:
Come on, OP, how can you possibly avoid mentioning the whole Cameron/Starlog/Harlan Ellison debacle?
Because I am tired and didn't have time to dig up info. Perhaps tomorrow or if another poster can post it. The evidence is damning if I remember correctly.
 
gblues said:
Here's how I expect the franchise to finally end.

Have you noticed how the Terminators have become more and more human? The T-800 was mostly robotic. The T-1000 had better imitating capabilities. The fembot was both hot and deadly. And the final one was so human that it didn't even know it was a Terminator until Skynet told it.

The setting is post-judgement day. The humans are winning against Skynet, but they have new intelligence about Skynet's temporal research. Of course, John Connor knows what's about to happen so they mount the final assault.

A few amazing set pieces later, John Connor and Kyle Reese infiltrate Skynet's temporal lab. Kyle is sent back to 1984. Connor uses his hacking skills on a spare T-800 and sends it back to 1991. But he notices another entry in Skynet's log, labeled "A&E." He pulls up information on the computer and sees A&E is still being held in a second temporal lab.

John races to the lab. There are two tanks here, each with a humanoid shape in them. One appears to be male, the other female. There's all sorts of weird-looking sci-fi shit hooked up to the tanks. John reads the nameplates: "ADAM" and "EVE". Suddenly, alarms go off as the temporal system activates. John bolts back to the main room and begins trying to hack the computer system, trying to shut down the time warp. He fails, but he is able to see the destination time period: 10,000 B.C.

Cut to a calm looking pasture/garden. We get the standard electrical storm effects typical of Terminator teleport, and ADAM and EVE are left laying in the field. We then cut to first-person view showing the Terminator boot sequence, culminating in the message: Commence operation: REPRODUCTION. The blinking stops, the HUD disappears. Cut to a close-up, and we see the tell-tale red eyes fade to a completely human face. Adam and Eve look at each other and smile innocently. Credits.

You see, the machines ultimately win, because we are the machines.


The hell?
That's some Battlestar Galactica style plot-twist right there. Props for making me actually consider it.
 

adelante

Member
LOL PhoncipleBone..after hearing his return, i knew it was only a matter of time before we had another Ahnuld thread :D
 
Yo yo yo 1 > 2 represent.

Don't get me wrong I love Terminator 2 to death. But 1 belongs beside stuff like Escape from NY and Road Warrior back in the grimy 80s. I love that look. And sadly you can't get away with it today. Not to mention having Arnold on your ass is far more frightening than facing a T-1000 with Arnold at your side.

Oh and I don't know why people hated on this song when I posted it last time. But I'm gonna post it again because it's the best youtube music video fan-dub ever.

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I got chills when Michael Beihn looks in the mirror while the music pumps up.
 

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
2 is badass at times. But 1 is fucking awesome. You fear for John Conner and Sarah at times. It is actually men vs machines.
 
Both are fantastic, but 2 > 1; it has a better dramatic relationship at its center and inverts the Terminator formula extremely well. Plus, Robert Patrick is a much more effective villain than Arnold, great as he was.
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
gblues said:
Here's how I expect the franchise to finally end.

Have you noticed how the Terminators have become more and more human? The T-800 was mostly robotic. The T-1000 had better imitating capabilities. The fembot was both hot and deadly. And the final one was so human that it didn't even know it was a Terminator until Skynet told it.

The setting is post-judgement day. The humans are winning against Skynet, but they have new intelligence about Skynet's temporal research. Of course, John Connor knows what's about to happen so they mount the final assault.

A few amazing set pieces later, John Connor and Kyle Reese infiltrate Skynet's temporal lab. Kyle is sent back to 1984. Connor uses his hacking skills on a spare T-800 and sends it back to 1991. But he notices another entry in Skynet's log, labeled "A&E." He pulls up information on the computer and sees A&E is still being held in a second temporal lab.

John races to the lab. There are two tanks here, each with a humanoid shape in them. One appears to be male, the other female. There's all sorts of weird-looking sci-fi shit hooked up to the tanks. John reads the nameplates: "ADAM" and "EVE". Suddenly, alarms go off as the temporal system activates. John bolts back to the main room and begins trying to hack the computer system, trying to shut down the time warp. He fails, but he is able to see the destination time period: 10,000 B.C.

Cut to a calm looking pasture/garden. We get the standard electrical storm effects typical of Terminator teleport, and ADAM and EVE are left laying in the field. We then cut to first-person view showing the Terminator boot sequence, culminating in the message: Commence operation: REPRODUCTION. The blinking stops, the HUD disappears. Cut to a close-up, and we see the tell-tale red eyes fade to a completely human face. Adam and Eve look at each other and smile innocently. Credits.

You see, the machines ultimately win, because we are the machines.

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Would be amazing.
 
revolverjgw said:
2 is so fucking cheesy and too glossy

I agree about the glossy part. But that boils down to preference, and also it adds it's own charm to it since it was like one of the first mad-polished action films. Now all of them follow that template.

But yeah I liked the really grimy feeling of the first more. And Furlong's lines are corny as well as "AA KNOW WHY YOU CRY" but that's also part of it's charm too.

lol that sequel idea is pretty clever but it's also already been done. POPULAR SCI-FI SERIES SPOILER
BSG
 
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*ahem*
that ledge gets me every time, otherwise T2 was a flawless action epic. T1 was a non-stop thriller/sci-fi/chase that was flawless in its own regard as well. I felt the T1 pacing was more straight forward and cohesive, but did it with virtually nothing compared to T2.

Hard to say, but it just really depends on how you individually look at each movie being totally different.
 
T2 is good and all but lets face it Terminator 1 is Cameron's best film. A true 80s horror classic.

That whole final battle from the exploding truck all the way through the factory will stick with you for your entire EXISTANCE.
 

web01

Member
gblues said:
Here's how I expect the franchise to finally end.

Have you noticed how the Terminators have become more and more human? The T-800 was mostly robotic. The T-1000 had better imitating capabilities. The fembot was both hot and deadly. And the final one was so human that it didn't even know it was a Terminator until Skynet told it.

The setting is post-judgement day. The humans are winning against Skynet, but they have new intelligence about Skynet's temporal research. Of course, John Connor knows what's about to happen so they mount the final assault.

A few amazing set pieces later, John Connor and Kyle Reese infiltrate Skynet's temporal lab. Kyle is sent back to 1984. Connor uses his hacking skills on a spare T-800 and sends it back to 1991. But he notices another entry in Skynet's log, labeled "A&E." He pulls up information on the computer and sees A&E is still being held in a second temporal lab.

John races to the lab. There are two tanks here, each with a humanoid shape in them. One appears to be male, the other female. There's all sorts of weird-looking sci-fi shit hooked up to the tanks. John reads the nameplates: "ADAM" and "EVE". Suddenly, alarms go off as the temporal system activates. John bolts back to the main room and begins trying to hack the computer system, trying to shut down the time warp. He fails, but he is able to see the destination time period: 10,000 B.C.

Cut to a calm looking pasture/garden. We get the standard electrical storm effects typical of Terminator teleport, and ADAM and EVE are left laying in the field. We then cut to first-person view showing the Terminator boot sequence, culminating in the message: Commence operation: REPRODUCTION. The blinking stops, the HUD disappears. Cut to a close-up, and we see the tell-tale red eyes fade to a completely human face. Adam and Eve look at each other and smile innocently. Credits.

You see, the machines ultimately win, because we are the machines.

I said wow. I like this idea alot.
 

Osuwari

Member
this is one of the very first films i watched as a kid so it holds a very special place for me. i remember my dad had it recorded on a betamax tape and i rewatched it several times. it was missing a few scenes and the commercial cuts were bad but now i expect those cuts whenever i rewatch it and the extra scenes kinda jump out.

when i watched it in english and with the extended scenes, it went up quite a bit in my favorite list and i can't pick between this and T2 now. the only thing i didn't like was the new sound effects from the new audio track since i like the old effects a lot more. T2's shotgun blast feels way out of place in T1 for example but there's still the old audio track for that.

i like both for different reasons. T2 also holds a very special place because it was the first film i remember seeing at the movie theater. the only thing i hated back then is that i entered too early into the theater and ended up watching the final chase scene first.
 
Anticitizen One said:
T2 is good and all but lets face it Terminator 1 is Cameron's best film. A true 80s horror classic.

That whole final battle from the exploding truck all the way through the factory will stick with you for your entire EXISTANCE.
it sticks with me no more than the last 30 solid minutes of T2.

Sarah attempting to take matters into her own hands...M16 and all after dreaming of the apocalypse = holy shit.

Going to get the chip = holy shit.

Arnold with a minigun = holy shit.

What's his name holding that detnoator until his last breath = holy shit.

Highway chase into the steel plant = holy shit.

Sarah putting a dozen rounds into T-1000's chest = daaaayum.

The final sacrifice = emotional.
 
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