The Walking Dead - Season 2 - Sundays on AMC
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BlueTsunami
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Shane takes Rick out for a midnight stroll to kill him and somehow it turns into Rick murdering Shane? No wonder Rick pulled his dick (figuratively) out and laid the hammer down at the end. The group is made up of idiots (or is it the writers?). Were we supposed to parse that whole Rick and Shane scene differently or something?
To be fair Rick did a really poor job of explaining it. He went straight from "I killed him" to all kinds of justifications about how crazy Shane was. It sounded like he was trying to make a case for something.
He should've just been like "he was going to shoot me, so I had to kill him" and been done with it.
He should've just been like "he was going to shoot me, so I had to kill him" and been done with it.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
It's hilarious that I said I was sad I wasn't going to be seeing a live action version of the comic I love so much? It's hilarious to be disappointed that so many of the pieces of the comic that I enjoyed aren't being reproduced in the TV show?
Don't act like you haven't heard this about TWD tv series before, I'm not the first one to hold these thoughts.
And I don't hate the show.
Foxy Fox 39
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Or "he led me through the woods and to an open field so he could kill me. He pulled his gun on me. He said that he was going to shoot me because he was a better man for you (lori) and Carl. I told him not to do it. But he still had the gun pointed at my head and told me to draw my gun. I stabbed him instead. "
Instead the writers purposely make rick recount the story with important details left out. No one would ever do that. If you kill a man, especially if you're innocent you always tell them what happened and how the other person is at fault.
You don't say something general like..."he pushed me to do it" or "He was always defying me and testing me"
C'mon. The writers seriously need to stop. They purposely make characters have a lapse in judgement or say extremely vague things that could potentially be misconstrued just to build drama and tension.
kame-sennin
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Why do so many TV writers suck at writing female characters? It doesn't excuse people screaming "bitch whore cunt!" every time Lori comes on the screen, but she is still a poorly written character that the audience can't help but hate.
Beer Monkey
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I thought it was really weird when Rick didn't just say "it was in self defense". Period. Nothing else really needs to be said and everyone in the group had seen how batshit fucking insane Shane was.
The Lamonster
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George R. R. Martin does a great job writing women. Watch Game of Thrones sometime and try to imagine the Lori character being in that world. You can't, because she is not real.
He might be speaking from the standpoint of what everyone else in the group is thinking. Though I wonder if everyone in the group will always look at what Rick did as murder regardless.
If you've read the comic, then it should be pretty obvious that some concepts and plot devices wouldn't translate well at all to television. There's some things that will only work in the comic and some that would work better on TV, which is why I'm interested to see how they handle
Michonne's
I'm catching up on the comics myself right now and I gotta say that I've enjoyed the direction the TV Series has been taking a lot more than that of the graphic novel so far.
Anton668
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This. so much of this all over!!!!
I like the show, and will defend it for the most part. But sometimes... sometimes... its just not worth defending.
I oft ask my GF if the writers suddenly get lazy in every epi or if they are pandering to the lowest common?
Not to mention that they conveniently got rid of the only person in the group who witnessed Shane thinking about killing off Rick previously, as well as suspected him of killing Otis. The writers specifically prepared that moment to push Rick over the edge, no matter how clunky the process was to get there. Horrible setup which pretty much ruined the pay off.
I was hoping the TV show would take a serious jab at creating something that better depicted the books instead of changing things just to "work on TV". (which really just means "work with the status quo of mass audience entertainment"). I honestly don't see how the comic couldn't just work straight to TV.
Michonne's
Many of my friends prefer the TV show over the comic, and usually it's the ones that connected with the show first. Different strokes.
Fuck, now I'm one of those "the book was better" assholes.
Lord_Byron28
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Great. Lori is to The Walking Dead what Lana was to Smallville. A character that started off halfway decent but quickly became annoying and the most hated character on the show but the writers loved her and crammed her down people's throats for years ignoring the fact that fans hated her.
Rick's bad explanation worked for me, mostly because I think Rick is still a good guy deep down and he probably does feel like a murderer. Yes, Shane had a gun on him and was trying to kill him, but Rick didn't just subdue him, he made sure Shane was dead.
I think what Rick did was necessary, but I think the guy also just ended his best friend's life, and probably immediately started second-guessing everything he'd done, blaming himself, etc. So when he tells the story to anyone else, he gets bogged down in his emotions instead of just stating the facts.
I think what Rick did was necessary, but I think the guy also just ended his best friend's life, and probably immediately started second-guessing everything he'd done, blaming himself, etc. So when he tells the story to anyone else, he gets bogged down in his emotions instead of just stating the facts.
Anton668
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Anton668
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Yeah, because they were all there to confirm Rick's story and a murderer would NEVER lie to make himself seem sympathetic. All they knew was that four guys went out into the woods to look for the prisoner. Except for Darryl and Glenn
He's a guy trying to justify his actions to himself. He blames himself for Shane's death, but just like the whole "YOU DID THIS! NOT ME!" thing immediately after the stabbing, he's fully invested in trying to convince himself it's not his fault. Inner conflict, and all.
So what he's wanting is to explain the thing he fears himself to be, have somebody (like say his goddamned wife) tell him he did what he had to and it's all okay, and start to recover.
Instead his judgment gets questioned and he basically melts down--lashing out and all.
So yeah I think he's pretty crazy right now, but I actually feel they earned it through the story and they may actually intend us to think he's imbalanced. As opposed to, say, Lori, who I don't think we're supposed to view as a terrible mother and human being in general.
Anton668
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wait, wha?!?!?! yeah, because for 2 seasons they have been showing Rick as untrustworthy, only thinking about himself, never trying to help the group survive, prone to flying off the handle violently, etc... etc...
sure the group really had a reason to doubt him, yup!
just accept it, shitty writing is shitty
-Pyromaniac-
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Actually Daryl's findings do back up Rick's story completely. He even alluded to it. He had half the story down, Rick had the other half. Combine the 2 = pretty believable story backed up by solid evidence.
Foxy Fox 39
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Uhhh. No. Darryl had already told them that Shane was walking with Randall and basically told them that this whole scenario smelled of Shanes BS.
He basically told them Shane killed Randall. Is the group stupid? They can't put two and two together. They saw Shane hooting and hollering about Randall going off into the woods and hitting him in the the face with a rock.
Darryl didn't even believe Shane and called him out on that BS. (the "That kid weighs 150 soaking wet" comment)
So they also can assume that Shane was crazy enough, and vested enough into the plan to potentially break his own nose (Didn't Darryl spot the tree where he did it?).
Either the group is full of complete morons who really don't need to survive the apocalypse or the writers don't pay attention to their own dang story. Either one and my excitement starts to take a hit.
Anton668
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I understand your point, but dont agree with the way the writers showed it. He still could have told the whole story, breaking down as he did, questioning himself in front of the group or whatever. how it came out in the show was a bad plot device to build tension
Hell, if they wanted to build tension, why not have Lori call out T-Dog for wanting to bail on everyone and head for the coast? T-Dog needs more screen time anyways! (but not to much more else he gets himself killed! lol)
Miggytronz
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THIS!
Yeah, I get what you're trying to say but remember that only Rick and Shane knew the full extent of the conflict going on between them.
To the group, sure Shane looked a little off and acted like a loose cannon sometimes, but they probably still recognized him as trying to protect the group (despite that in the end he couldn't give a single shit about anyone not named Lori and Carl) and so most of them probably weren't considering how deep in shit the situation really was.
So I think you'll have to forgive the group (at least for now) for not looking too much into Shane's antics. Nothing the group knew of the situation would've justified Rick killing Shane in their minds. Not at this point anyway.
Also, I think Rick doesn't even give a shit what anyone else thinks. He tried explaining it to Lori and look how she reacted.
Anton668
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well. Loris biggest reaction was to the fact that it was Carl who shot Shane
That's what set her over the edge.
She's just as devastated that her husband killed a man she just realized she genuinely had feelings for.
Host Samurai
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Lori is a hypercritical bitch that can't make up her mind and "friendzoned" Shane which led to his death. Shes a typical immature bitch that plays games. Now shes mad at Rick for killing him in self defense. Rick should just ditch her, hes way too good for her and her teenage games anyways.
Anton668
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dont know if I look at it that way. sure, she was... how shall we say... conflicted, as Rick was telling her. But when he got to the Carl put im down part, She went to a whole new lvl. I really think if he just walked up and said Carl killed Shane she would have flipped. Was it fuled by what he told her prior? a lil bit, but when he told her about Carl, her reaction to that news became its own entity.
What the group knows is Shane is a hothead, and that he killed Randall, which is what he always wanted to do. They also know that Shane and Rick have been butting heads for a while now. Darryl at least seemed to know what happened on the first trip to free Randall. Even if they thought of Rick as a good man, it's easy to see why they might believe that he just killed Shane, maybe in a moment of anger or confrontation but without being threatened the way he was.
Now. I will say that it's not well communicated exactly how the group comes to that sort of a conclusion. It's a reaction written badly because it's difficult for the audience to understand. They really need to step up their writing game for the next season i tell you hwhat.
-Pyromaniac-
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ummm shane came back to the group of daryl, rick and whoever else was there and told them the story that he was attacked. So the group also knows he fucking straight up lied about the whole randall thing. you keep forgetting that shane lied about the attack, that's KEY. That's the proof that he staged the whole thing to get rick.
Rick is in the clear here and anyone can see it.
Lord_Byron28
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Maybe it's just me but it seemed to me Hershel and Daryll weren't against Rick. Hershell didn't either. It was Lori, Maggie and Carol acting obnoxious and flipping their shit. Hershel, Glenn and Daryll all know how hot headed Shane can be on top of other details.
However, I may need to watch the scene over again. All I remember is the women acting half retarded.
-Pyromaniac-
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T-Dog should be on Rick's side because he was on Shane's side wasn't he? Rick is acting the same way as shane when he sided with him, except slightly less crazy.
Which would explain why he was just looking out.
As for Glenn, glenn is still a kid who choked up when he had to fight other living people so he is probably in shock about the rick/shane thing.
Vigilant Walrus
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I agree, I find these all these ASSHOLES. Infruiatingly dumb.
All the women on the show are horrible except for Maggie. It's goddam offensive and annoying how stupidly retarded they all are. Adriana is omfg...
Carl is... I dont like him. I dont like what they are doing with him. they are not portraying a kid growing up in a violent apocalypse.
its like a talking head. it annoys me that he is CONSTANTLY in harms way and nobody is watching him, and he is related to every shitty thing that happens.
she's a good mother
Kids play and get dirty.
There are killing machines everywhere. Your son is gone for an hour and returns covered in mud. You don't ask any questions?
that's not proof of shit, that's proof he wanted to get rid of the kid but knew the group wouldn't like it. There is no part of that that says he's planning to off Rick. Hell, it just as easily reads a scenario where Rick found out, got angry, and shot him.
Anton668
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which, again, goes counter to everything the group has seen from Rick to that point.
And if the group is that easily turned... they are too fucking stupid to survive and need to die off and replaced by others that arent.
And Daryl, he gets a pass
lazybones18
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No reason to unlock a bunch of nobodies
Anton668
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No reason to unlock a bunch of nobodies
ok... and Hershel. But only if he brings that pimp jacket of his!
Oldschoolgamer
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"Unlimited Family"
Yo....lmfao.
Yo....lmfao.
No reason to unlock a bunch of nobodies
Duuuuuude.
Surface of Me
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Shane would of said that he had to kill Randall when he attacked him if he just wanted to lie to get rid the kid. It's obvious it was a setup to kill Rick.
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