phosphor112
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Don't think images do it justice... You know... It's like saying KZ2 looks bad cuz a still image is just a blurry wtf thing of gray.
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Don't think images do it justice... You know... It's like saying KZ2 looks bad cuz a still image is just a blurry wtf thing of gray.
tkscz
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This makes Samaritan look like shit?
What's CVG's agenda? What's with the whole "You were wrong to say it's not awesome!" schtick? Why so completely uncritical?
I was honestly expecting much, much better.
Hot Coldman
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Sorry, I meant it's annoying that they won't change the music and bring them over. Also Porky makes way more sense, whatchoo talkin' bout.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I have no idea, I'm not everyone.
I never said Wii-U wouldn't sell well, and I haven't yet made my mind up on who will "win" this generation (way too early to tell). My main point here is that I see no signs pointing to the Wii-U having better third-party support then the GCN from western developers. I do however see the potential for the Wii-U to gain some major support from Eastern-developers.As for people saying the blue-ocean tactic won't work this generation, I imagine it is because they believe that most casuals are too busy buying apple products and such to give a shit about a new Wii (similar to what Patcher said) or they feel like Kinect has eaten enough into that market to where even if Wii-U was a success out the gate like Wii, the water is now too clouded from other "quality" casual outlets to sustain itself like the Wii did for 5 years.
Personally I do believe that Kinect will cause problems for Nintendo with the casual market, but if they strike gold with some killer casual software again then I see no reason why consumers wouldn't rush out again to buy the next big phenomenon. I also think the Patcher comment is bullshit and very short-sighted. If anything, Kinect proves that casual gamers are still willing to buy video game consoles.
DaSorcerer7
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"game journalism" ...not surprised
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
It's all due to the theory that "Nintendo have somehow betrayed them by going after the casual this gen."
It's a terrible theory, but lots believe that.
Hello nintendoenthousiast o/
btw, there are some alterations of what i wrote yesterday in your summary
don't forget they called the Wii U "the frankestein monstrosity"
MisterHero
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His brother's name was PickySorry, I meant it's annoying that they won't change the music and bring them over. Also Porky makes way more sense, whatchoo talkin' bout.
Picky and Pokey, not Picky and Porky
I think a reference to his tendency to poke into Ness's business is funnier/more clever than referencing his weight.
-Pyromaniac-
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I get where people are coming from when they hate on Nintendo. It's not so much betrayed, it's just that a lot of people (espcially those hardcore ones on neogaf) really LOVE Nintendo games, no doubt in my mind about that. But they very much dislike what the Wii was and therefore didn't get it, so it angered people because they didn't get to play the games they love because of it. I dislike the Wii plenty but I never resorted to hating, but everyone is different. I think it's more frustration rather than hate. Though I'm sure there's the bandwagon of people who use the opportunity to express some weird deep down fanboy hate.
Not saying it's right, or fair, or normal. Just saying I get it.
Not saying it's right, or fair, or normal. Just saying I get it.
shadyspace
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But they love Apple...?
Nintendo hate was pervasive among mainstream gaming outlets way before the Wii came along.
GameplayWhore
Member
Nah, not that. I was talking about hardware features of the device.
What are they, by the way? Some sort of "achievement" like thing?
Cheesecakebobby
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Those particle effects are gonna look way more awesome in motion, but I see why people are feeling underwhelmed at these screens. I think the most important aspect of UE4 is going to be how dev-friendly it is - it seems to be employing measures that will reduce the time and effort required to build and test levels etc. I hope Epic decides to make the engine scalable enough that developers can benefit from the valuable tools even if they can't utilise as many particle and other effects as they could on more powerful hardware. I'm slightly more optimistic about the prospect of UE4 on Wii U now, though I am still skeptical about major multiformat UE4 games getting Wii U ports.
The Wii U not being backwards compatible with GameCube and not having a port of Resident Evil 5 destroys my dream of being able to play every mainline RE game on a single platform/single collection.
Hmph..
That annoys me way more than it should.
That too.
It's all ridiculous.
AceBandage
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It isn't because Reggie locked all the journalists in an air tight room and farted?
I thought we had already established that.
I thought we had already established that.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I was referring to fans not the media, the media is part of the bandwagon I mentioned though. They've definitely amplified their weird agendas this gen.
GameplayWhore
Member
You forgot GameCube Virtual Console and the inevitable Resident Evil Collection U
: Chronicles
I'm in PAL land so he doesn't affect me, but I still hate him. So wooden and annoying. I want someone with a little pizazz who actually seems excited about what they're selling.
I'm blaming you if this does come to fruition.
http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/whispers-of-the-wii-around-the-industry-pre-e3-2012-edition/
what ? maybe some games will still be brought and run from SD (or flash memory, external HDD), but the rest doesn't cross at all with i've heard (the following message that i talk about in my yesterday post).
what ? maybe some games will still be brought and run from SD (or flash memory, external HDD), but the rest doesn't cross at all with i've heard (the following message that i talk about in my yesterday post).
nordique
Member
I personally think the UE4 screens are impressive, but I also hope this makes people realize:
1) the jump will only be "huge" not a "quantum leap"
2) once everything is in HD with shaders there's a certain standard set. I mean, this is tough to distinguish between high res Uncharted 2/3 screens or high res Gears of War 3 graphics on a super technical level.
3) We should also wait for the full tech demo before jumping to conclusions, but this was likely done with superior graphics cards to what all of the next gen consoles will use, including Xbox Next and PS4.
Personally, I really like those screens and am content with them.
Those expecting the sun moon and stars hopefully are getting the wake up call they needed
1) the jump will only be "huge" not a "quantum leap"
2) once everything is in HD with shaders there's a certain standard set. I mean, this is tough to distinguish between high res Uncharted 2/3 screens or high res Gears of War 3 graphics on a super technical level.
3) We should also wait for the full tech demo before jumping to conclusions, but this was likely done with superior graphics cards to what all of the next gen consoles will use, including Xbox Next and PS4.
Personally, I really like those screens and am content with them.
Those expecting the sun moon and stars hopefully are getting the wake up call they needed
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
The strangest thing is, despite Sony doing badly at the moment, despite the Vita's absolutely abysmal launch, I still haven't seen a single article suggesting that Sony should go third party and make games for iPhone - whereas you see lots of sites practically demanding this of Nintendo.
Like I said before it's best to ignore RE5. You need to fight your OCD and accept that RE5 was terrible.
I have no problem with the no GC backwards compatibility since the Wii already does it, however, I do have a problem with not being able to use a GC controller for the next Smash Bros game. Unless they redesign the classic controller to resemble a GC controller with a better dpad, then I think I might pass on the next Smash Bros. game.
Those expecting the sun moon and stars hopefully are getting the wake up call they needed
Epic pretty much told us to expect that.
What bothers me is why do most GAF members not get this. They overreact and make hyperbole statements once they hear something controversial. And whats worse, if its Nintendo, there will be mild-to-obvious insinuations about them "being behind the times" and such.
Sure we understand where the hate comes from. But it shouldn't we excuse people from making the exact same remarks all over again. Especially in this thread. I expect a certain amount of intelligence to go into the discussion. GAF/the Internet shouldn't be an excuse.
Man I called that UE4 wouldn't blow people away. It's hard to believe that this will cripple the Wii U if it does not support it. Sure it'd be NICE to have it, but if it isn't then the hell with it.
And have you all checked out the Epic begging MS/Sony to up the next gen console specs thread? Not much trolling, but I had no idea some people on GAF expect real time Avatar visuals. I mean seriously.
And have you all checked out the Epic begging MS/Sony to up the next gen console specs thread? Not much trolling, but I had no idea some people on GAF expect real time Avatar visuals. I mean seriously.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
As buddy-buddy as Capcom is with Nintendo right now they were probably the first ones to know about the Wii-U and that had to have been at least a year and a half ago. That's plenty of time to get their resources straight to at least have a version of RE6 Wii-U in development at the date of that interview.
A release any later then the PC version would not be a good sign.
Yes.. the same hardcorier-than-thou crowd that eschewed Nintendo's last "hardcore" effort, citing reasons like "purple" and "handle" and "kiddeh." Yeah, I can take them seriously.
It looks great, except for the monster's face, which looks like the shoulder-plate of Locust armor or something.
GameplayWhore
Member
It's good to know that Nintendo is finally catching up with homebrewers here with respect to showing off games on a hard drive.
Nyko to the rescue?
Part of me would like to see what happens if a huge chunk of the industry pursues this level of extreme. Just to see what happens, y'know?
Meanwhile, Nintendo and its sane friends can sit in their little corner of the industry, doing their thing. It'd be fascinating to witness, you've gotta admit.
I assume it's a joint effort, not made by any particular team. It's used by 3rd party developers all over the world. Mostly for shovelware though, for obvious reasons. I believe only SQEX ever talked about the engine in public, leading many readers to believe it was just a "Wii emulator" for PC due to slightly ambiguous wording. It's also heavily used on 3DS, and Nintendo recommends its use over writing inhouse engines in the official documentation.
I'm staying away from third party accessories (except HDDs
)I learned my lesson the hard way with the N64 and the GC.
Shogmaster
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1) Price? - 249.99
2) Release date? - September 7th
3) Bullshit xbox360-based Multiplier Equivalent? - CPU: 0.6X, GPU: 2X, RAM: 3X
4) Nintendo conference surprise(s)? - launch date
5) Predict Miyamoto's role/costume/appearance context in this year's show. - Beret on, as a french painter sterotype
6) Any special MS or Sony predictions? - MS shows new ultra low pricing scheme, Sony predicts best year yet for PS3.
7) You know we're going to hear some, umm, interesting excuses from third parties. So.. what'll be your favorite? - Dev kit documentation was all in Swahili.
8) Any special E3 plans/arrangements of your own? Taking off from work? Skipping a final exam? - Park at my parents' place, have them drive me to convention center 5 minutes away
9) Your favorite bullshit gaming media critique of Nintendo's performance at E3 this year? Nintendo game quality are so much better that it's bad for the 3rd party.
10) Your own predicted complaint/peeve/angering issue regarding Nintendo's E3 performance this year? - Not enough real info on specs. Spoken in generalities to mask lack of power.
2) Release date? - September 7th
3) Bullshit xbox360-based Multiplier Equivalent? - CPU: 0.6X, GPU: 2X, RAM: 3X
4) Nintendo conference surprise(s)? - launch date
5) Predict Miyamoto's role/costume/appearance context in this year's show. - Beret on, as a french painter sterotype
6) Any special MS or Sony predictions? - MS shows new ultra low pricing scheme, Sony predicts best year yet for PS3.
7) You know we're going to hear some, umm, interesting excuses from third parties. So.. what'll be your favorite? - Dev kit documentation was all in Swahili.
8) Any special E3 plans/arrangements of your own? Taking off from work? Skipping a final exam? - Park at my parents' place, have them drive me to convention center 5 minutes away
9) Your favorite bullshit gaming media critique of Nintendo's performance at E3 this year? Nintendo game quality are so much better that it's bad for the 3rd party.
10) Your own predicted complaint/peeve/angering issue regarding Nintendo's E3 performance this year? - Not enough real info on specs. Spoken in generalities to mask lack of power.
Thinking of it, it's very amusing how the gamecube became the holy grail after the wii.
I don't mind RE5, actually. Well, I do as far as being a Resident Evil game goes, but gameplay wise I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the co-op and found the multiple run throughs collecting different items, treasures and weapons pretty fun. Don't get me wrong I have a ton of issues with it, but it might actually be my most played console game this gen.. which is strange. It's easily the worst of the mainline RE games for me, but I still thought the game was OK. Eh..
Agree with the GameCube pad shout, though. That's going to be a real shame unless, like you say, they release an updated version of the 'Cube pad.
It's cause uh...it's easier to think of Nintendo made games than Sony games. A lot of people grew up with Nintendo games, while others that grew up later grew up with the Sony platform where third parties made up the bulk of their top tier games.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I'll copy pasted my feelings about the UE4 stuff from the other thread:
When it's actually used for a full game....definitely won't be as impressive as I thought, like at all. But for PC gaming, there is tons of potential for AMAZING looking shit.
When it's actually used for a full game....definitely won't be as impressive as I thought, like at all. But for PC gaming, there is tons of potential for AMAZING looking shit.
thegodsend
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I talked to a developer recently who worked with UE3, Unity and NintendoWare and he praised NintendoWare as the best engine he ever worked with.
It would be great to see Nintendo presenting it at GDC at some point...
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
The Nintendo hate has being going of for years.
In the 90's, Sonic and Sega were perceived to be "Cool" in the way that Nintendo and Mario never was.
Can you imagine the kinds of articles you'd have if sites like IGN existed back then?
In the 90's, Sonic and Sega were perceived to be "Cool" in the way that Nintendo and Mario never was.
Can you imagine the kinds of articles you'd have if sites like IGN existed back then?
I think that in a different setting, and in motion, UE4 could have wow the main bulk of people. You know, like those dreamy/ethereal or natural landscape in 3DMark benchmarks/graphic cards capabilities demos.
The "grim dark knight with its wow/skyrim spiky armor and glowing eyes full of particles" leaving a structure with prettier than in real life bricks, and then standing in front of the Mordor's Mount Doom volcano was too classical and déjà vu to really surprise us. It will be better in movement but i would like to see this engine in a different background.
where do you think European support will fall for the Wii U?
Yeah, I mean we've seen games come off terrible in screens, but great in motion.
But right now.. this is the ideal form of the demo.. and it looks nice, but not amazing. And think we'll just hit a wall where most people won't notice or care for the difference.
Yeah, I mean we've seen games come off terrible in screens, but great in motion.
But right now.. this is the ideal form of the demo.. and it looks nice, but not amazing. And think we'll just hit a wall where most people won't notice or care for the difference.
Those people clamouring for Avatar in realtime need to look at current top-of-the-line PC cards and realise that even those don't do it and we're not getting anything near that in a home console.
Yeah, probably not the best choice of pic but in motion this thing could look amazing. Those mountains...mmmmmmmmmmm.
Just egos.
And I'm going on the official record now to say that the release of these pics is so that the word about it can get out, and expectations set, for when Epic do the worldwide reveal running on Wii U at E3. Confirmed. No other scenario can unfold from here on in as I've explored all possibilities. If you see any high-end PC's, please ignore them.
Agreed. His presentation style is excellent, he's very well spoken as well. I find that he'll usually execute some vocabulary I've never heard before super effectively, and then I try and emulate it myself.
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