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The Wii U Speculation Thread VI: The Undiscovered Country

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IdeaMan

My source is my ass!

These last 10 days contradicted your grotesque stance from A to Z, with very detailed information, unheard before, between the NFC sensor under the D-Pad, the slight size increase of the screen, 2 DRC ports on dev kits, mass production dev kits arrival, obligation to bring demos on "bluray" discs recently supplied, support of only 1 DRC since 1 year (and its consequences concerning the games, focusing on one Wii U controller), separated flash memory for the OS, yadda yadda, i won't list all, i have already lost too much time defending my contribution to an angry dog (a pitbull ? what's this race again) like you :p :p
 

antonz

Member
I said it in the other thread but its worth repeating.

I think people will be shocked with just how heavy Nintendo embraces the Media/Social Hub with the Wii U. They arent going to totally reinvent it since much of what they will have is available elsewhere but they are gonna make a pretty serious push in the direction while remaining true to their gaming roots.
 

IdeaMan

My source is my ass!
Hints on a push for social gaming and/or use of Nintendo franchises by external studios ?

I was contacted by another source that the ones i'm usually referring to in my posts, with intriguing informations, i'll summarize it in a succinct list:

- Nintendo sent recently characters descriptions of their intellectual proprieties. Instructions on how to employ them.

- Many figures of Nintendo are involved, i was only able to read some from the Mario universe.

- It's very detailed, it not only concerns the image of those fictional folks, but also their attitude, their behavior, how they speak (like Peach, as a princess, must use less contractions and slang than Mario and Luigi), and things to avoid about them (like depicting Mario too much as a plumber, etc.)

- Those texts are in english, but refers to NCL. It could be instructions coming from Nintendo Japan then translated and supplied to western studios by Nintendo of America, or it could directly originates from NOA writers staff.

- The receivers are from gaming websites, social medias, applications makers, etc. The content is intended to dedicated writers of those companies, to shape how they'll use those characters, make them act, talk.

_______________________

Now, some assumptions, speculations, attempts to cover every scenarios possible from these news, mixed with infos & additions to the main points wrote above:

- It's far from being the first time Nintendo send such texts to studios, to control their image, their intellectual proprieties (for merchandising things for example), tell to other companies how to use their characters in licensed projects, etc.

--> Therefore, it could just be that again, some by-products being planned and that requires instructions for the contracted companies to employ Big N figures properly.

--> Considering the receivers, Nintendo may tell to writers, journalists, of gaming websites, how to talk about their characters, like using their more known names/western ones rather than older/japanese ones (koopa<>bowser, peach<>toadstool, etc.)


Important point:

- However, the depth, the thorough nature of those instructions, including their manners, how they communicate, clearly implies a more extensive, intricate utilization of these characters than the previous scenarios. What's in play isn't only methods to write about them, but even from their prospective.

--> Such elaborate use, cross-read with the last line of the facts list ("social", medias background of the recipients) could indicates more ambitions or even a strong push from Nintendo toward social aspects, like applications for Wii U, websites (social networks, communities, sharing platforms, etc.) accessible on the system and taking advantage of Nintendo characters (a lot of possible usages could be involved here, like Mario greeting and helping you in a website, Mushroom Kingdom inhabitants mini-game akin to social gaming on Facebook, etc.).


- The receivers seems to be external studios.

--> Nintendo employees were often behind these tasks before (promoting and using their characters on medias). It could then point to more contracting of "third-parties", writers from the outside, instructed on how using their figures in social networks, platforms, for a bigger promotional/marketing effort, make their brand recognition from the public further widespread, and mobilizing their intellectual proprieties for that goal.


Big grain of salt & all, as it's not from my usual sources, but it seems believable as we know from interviews Big N intents to do more social content, and we've heard some news of companies working with them since one year. Read all this with caution and keep your expectations in check before dreaming of deal-breaker social game/applications from Nintendo. Nonetheless, the depth of those instructions, the jobs of the receivers, and all the other elements, are intriguing, and tends to rule out the event of just a classic merchandising thing.

Don't forget to check the yesterday's tidbit about the history of DRC support on dev kits, and possible signs of the existence of Wii U classic controllers.
 

HeySeuss

Member
These last 10 days contradicted your grotesque stance from A to Z, with very detailed information, unheard before, between the NFC sensor under the D-Pad, the slight size increase of the screen, 2 DRC ports on dev kits, mass production dev kits arrival, obligation to bring demos on "bluray" discs recently supplied, support of only 1 DRC since 1 year (and its consequences concerning the games, focusing on one Wii U controller), separated flash memory for the OS, yadda yadda, i won't list all, i have already lost too much time defending my contribution to angry dog (a pitbull ? what's this race again) like you :p :p

Its an english bulldog. And I just like fucking with you because it's fun. I know you have given good info, you just enjoy the self promotion aspect of it more than you should and add more fluff than necessary. But I do enjoy and appreciate your posts.


Edit: I see now why your post seemed extra salty this time. Musta hit a nerve with the social gaming mocking. :p
 

Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
I said it in the other thread but its worth repeating.

I think people will be shocked with just how heavy Nintendo embraces the Media/Social Hub with the Wii U. They arent going to totally reinvent it since much of what they will have is available elsewhere but they are gonna make a pretty serious push in the direction while remaining true to their gaming roots.

What is more likely to be a part of their plan, Twitter or Facebook?
 

antonz

Member
What is more likely to be a part of their plan, Twitter or Facebook?

I would expect them to target both heavily. There is alot of ways they could use twitter through gaming to advertise their own games. Your playing Zelda for instance and defeat a Boss and can tweet your success etc. All your friends see your game brags etc which in turn is clever advertising
 

Emitan

Member
I would expect them to target both heavily. There is alot of ways they could use twitter through gaming to advertise their own games. Your playing Zelda for instance and defeat a Boss and can tweet your success etc. All your friends see your game brags etc which in turn is clever advertising

I hate stuff like that. I don't really see the appeal.
 

IdeaMan

My source is my ass!
Its an english bulldog. And I just like fucking with you because it's fun. I know you have given good info, you just enjoy the self promotion aspect of it more than you should and add more fluff than necessary. But I do enjoy and appreciate your posts.


Edit: I see now why your post seemed extra salty this time. Musta hit a nerve with the social gaming mocking. :p

you're mean ! come to daddy and give me a kiss :)
 

antonz

Member
I hate stuff like that. I don't really see the appeal.

I agree but its the exact kind of things the achievement whores etc love. The whole idea of gamerscores and such is pure ego stroking.

Battlefield 3 on PC every single thing you earn gets a nice status update on your account page from number of kills to when you unlocked a gun etc
 

Shikamaru Ninja

任天堂 の 忍者
It's his first time doing hardware then? I really hope every single player game can be played entirely on the tablet.

The hardware's have multiple producers and lots of staff. He is just one of many. But more specifically he has a group in EAD responsible for several games.
 

Aguila

#ICONIC
Hints on a push for social gaming and/or use of Nintendo franchises by external studios ?

I was contacted by another source that the ones i'm usually referring to in my posts, with intriguing informations, i'll summarize it in a succinct list:

- Nintendo sent recently characters descriptions of their intellectual proprieties. Instructions on how to employ them.

- Many figures of Nintendo are involved, i was only able to read some from the Mario universe.

- It's very detailed, it not only concerns the image of those fictional folks, but also their attitude, their behavior, how they speak (like Peach, as a princess, must use less contractions and slang than Mario and Luigi), and things to avoid about them (like depicting Mario too much as a plumber, etc.)

- Those texts are in english, but refers to NCL. It could be instructions coming from Nintendo Japan then translated and supplied to western studios by Nintendo of America, or it could directly originates from NOA writers staff.

- The receivers are from gaming websites, social medias, applications makers, etc. The content is intended to dedicated writers of those companies, to shape how they'll use those characters, make them act, talk.

_______________________

Now, some assumptions, speculations, attempts to cover every scenarios possible from these news, mixed with infos & additions to the main points wrote above:

- It's far from being the first time Nintendo send such texts to studios, to control their image, their intellectual proprieties (for merchandising things for example), tell to other companies how to use their characters in licensed projects, etc.

--> Therefore, it could just be that again, some by-products being planned and that requires instructions for the contracted companies to employ Big N figures properly.

--> Considering the receivers, Nintendo may tell to writers, journalists, of gaming websites, how to talk about their characters, like using their more known names/western ones rather than older/japanese ones (koopa<>bowser, peach<>toadstool, etc.)


Important point:

- However, the depth, the thorough nature of those instructions, including their manners, how they communicate, clearly implies a more extensive, intricate utilization of these characters than the previous scenarios. What's in play isn't only methods to write about them, but even from their prospective.

--> Such elaborate use, cross-read with the last line of the facts list ("social", medias background of the recipients) could indicates more ambitions or even a strong push from Nintendo toward social aspects, like applications for Wii U, websites (social networks, communities, sharing platforms, etc.) accessible on the system and taking advantage of Nintendo characters (a lot of possible usages could be involved here, like Mario greeting and helping you in a website, Mushroom Kingdom inhabitants mini-game akin to social gaming on Facebook, etc.).


- The receivers seems to be external studios.

--> Nintendo employees were often behind these tasks before (promoting and using their characters on medias). It could then point to more contracting of "third-parties", writers from the outside, instructed on how using their figures in social networks, platforms, for a bigger promotional/marketing effort, make their brand recognition from the public further widespread, and mobilizing their intellectual proprieties for that goal.


Big grain of salt & all, as it's not from my usual sources, but it seems believable as we know from interviews Big N intents to do more social content, and we've heard some news of companies working with them since one year. Read all this with caution and keep your expectations in check before dreaming of deal-breaker social game/applications from Nintendo. Nonetheless, the depth of those instructions, the jobs of the receivers, and all the other elements, are intriguing, and tends to rule out the event of just a classic merchandising thing.

Don't forget to check the yesterday's tidbit about the history of DRC support on dev kits, and possible signs of the existence of Wii U classic controllers.

Hmmm... so Nintendo is going to allow other studios to make applications and games for non-Nintendo platforms (Facebook, mobile phones, tablets, etc.)?
 

Emitan

Member
People follow me on Twitter for my obviously brilliant and well thought out Tweets. Not "I beat that level!"

Okay, not really

It probably doesn't help that I dislike achievements.
 
Hmmm... so Nintendo is going to allow other studios to make applications and games for non-Nintendo platforms (Facebook, mobile phones, tablets, etc.)?

Maybe I'm just being close minded when it comes to this(which is very unlike me), but I don't like it one hot damn bit. Sounds like a horrible idea, but what do I know.
 

IdeaMan

My source is my ass!
Hmmm... so Nintendo is going to allow other studios to make applications and games for non-Nintendo platforms (Facebook, mobile phones, tablets, etc.)?

Not sure if it will involve other physical support that Nintendo ones, but "virtual" platforms like facebook, why not ?

Maybe a special Nintendo twitter, starring their characters, greeting you, helping you in using the micro-blogging site. Maybe a social game ? Perhaps a special website with strong social and communities aspects, accessible on Wii U & 3DS (but then, why describing to this extent those Nintendo intellectual proprieties ?).

As i said, the instructions are very detailed, it's like the characters will be employed in an elaborated fashion, they will talk, they will be animated, they will live.

What's your take on that guys ? :)
 
I think Nintendo may only have up-to 2 Wii U tablet controllers working at once. But many multiplayer games may need the dual-sticks and for them to be clickable (like MP for Call of Duty), so Nintendo may introduce a new type of classic controller/wavebird like controller which is a wireless controller on its own that is the same as the wii u pad but without the screen.

What do you guys think?
 

efyu_lemonardo

May I have a cookie?
Not sure if it will involve other physical support that Nintendo ones, but "virtual" platforms like facebook, why not ?

Maybe a special Nintendo twitter, starring their characters, greeting you, helping you in using the micro-blogging site. Maybe a social game ? Perhaps a special website with strong social and communities aspects, accessible on Wii U & 3DS (but then, why describing to this extent those Nintendo intellectual proprieties ?).

As i said, the instructions are very detailed, it's like the characters will be employed in an elaborated fashion, they will talk, they will be animated, they will live.

What's your take on that guys ? :)

my take:
Nintendo's form of achievement system will involve famous characters commenting on your playthroughs!
 

Emitan

Member
I think Nintendo may only have up-to 2 Wii U tablet controllers working at once. But many multiplayer games may need the dual-sticks and for them to be clickable (like MP for Call of Duty), so Nintendo may introduce a new type of classic controller/wavebird like controller which is a wireless controller on its own that is the same as the wii u pad but without the screen.

What do you guys think?

I hope so. I'd buy a few of them.
 
Not sure if it will involve other physical support that Nintendo ones, but "virtual" platforms like facebook, why not ?

Maybe a special Nintendo twitter, starring their characters, greeting you, helping you in using the micro-blogging site. Maybe a social game ? Perhaps a special website with strong social and communities aspects, accessible on Wii U & 3DS (but then, why describing to this extent those Nintendo intellectual proprieties ?).

As i said, the instructions are very detailed, it's like the characters will be employed in an elaborated fashion, they will talk, they will be animated, they will live.

What's your take on that guys ? :)

Fake.

Mario using slang? Lol Mario won't talk at all (other than his one word lines).
 

HylianTom

Banned
Maybe I'm just being close minded when it comes to this(which is very unlike me), but I don't like it one hot damn bit. Sounds like a horrible idea, but what do I know.

Me too. I like how protective Nintendo is with their IPs. I just don't want them to be cheapened by spreading them all over the place.

If anyone cheapens these IPs, let it be Nintendo themselves, haha!
 

Zero148

Member
What's your take on that guys ? :)

wasn't there rumors about an app store on WiiU besides the e-shop for games? Couldn't this descriptions be for app developers, who could develop social apps with facebook and twitter support for the WiiU and using Nintendo characters?

I also had the thought about comments from Mario and co to your playstyle and archievments

edit: second time in a row first post of a new page (at leat with 50 posts per page) lol
 
Not sure if it will involve other physical support that Nintendo ones, but "virtual" platforms like facebook, why not ?

Maybe a special Nintendo twitter, starring their characters, greeting you, helping you in using the micro-blogging site. Maybe a social game ? Perhaps a special website with strong social and communities aspects, accessible on Wii U & 3DS (but then, why describing to this extent those Nintendo intellectual proprieties ?).

As i said, the instructions are very detailed, it's like the characters will be employed in an elaborated fashion, they will talk, they will be animated, they will live.

What's your take on that guys ? :)

In either aspect, (one being they use it more with their own system, more akin to helpers with micro transactions and the like, or the other being handled by other developers and more social gaming), the idea is brilliant. Nintendo has reached it's limit on holding back their characters and not adapting them to fit with what sells these days. Games with deep stories and characters. We won't see Mario with some dark back story but I think when moving to HD it's the perfect time to just at least give these characters voices.

On the social front, I think the Wii U pad is great to transition more toward smaller, faster, scale down experiences, which can be purchased cheap and is multi-player focused. Nintendo knows how well Apple is doing..they know how many copies of Angry Birds have been sold and as long as they have those core experiences, (the mario, zelda, mario kart, f-zero etc) there really is little harm in pushing toward the social market while expanding their characters and universe to a larger range of people.

But what do I know right? :)
 

11redder

Member
I think Nintendo may only have up-to 2 Wii U tablet controllers working at once. But many multiplayer games may need the dual-sticks and for them to be clickable (like MP for Call of Duty), so Nintendo may introduce a new type of classic controller/wavebird like controller which is a wireless controller on its own that is the same as the wii u pad but without the screen.

What do you guys think?

I think they'll have to, especially for non-asymmetrical local multiplayer games that utilise the motion control options of the upad and require more buttons than the wiimote has.
 

antonz

Member
as I read that, I totally expect to see an angry birds WiiU edition at the e-shop near launch.

Hard to say Angry Birds was supposed to come to 3DS last year then it just kinda never happened. of course after the period they announced it one of Rovios big mouths crapped all over Nintendo for being outdated and trying to overcharge people for their games.
 

Zero148

Member
I thought that was all but officially confirmed? Maybe not launch day but soon after if not.

is it? then I must have missed that news

antonz said:
of course after the period they announced it one of Rovios big mouths crapped all over Nintendo for being outdated and trying to overcharge people for their games.

that makes it quite unlikely, but it is logical from a business point of view. There is even a boxed PC Version for 10 bucks, so why not an e-shop version with angry birds,rio and space + ledderboards in 1080p for 15-20 bucks on the WiiU? I propably wouldn't buy it but i think many people would
 

Oddduck

Member
wasn't there rumors about an app store on WiiU besides the e-shop for games? Couldn't this descriptions be for app developers, who could develop social apps with facebook and twitter support for the WiiU and using Nintendo characters?

Yep, and there seems to be evidence pointing at apps from this article: http://emilyrogersblog.wordpress.co...-on-wii-u-hbo-go-and-youtube-might-be-coming/

"I found another job posted 26 days ago that hints at Nintendo pushing for applications and social media.

Source: http://jobview.monster.com/PHP-Web-Developer-Job-Cumming-GA-109480143.aspx

&#8220;Job Description: As a programmer on the LBM staff you will be working on projects ranging from custom-built PHP-based applications, mobile web applications, and social media apps. These applications rarely repeat themselves and each application is unique with its own set of puzzles. This position requires someone excited by new challenges willing to learn new things.&#8221;

A Little About Us: LBM is a boutique web development shop building custom solutions for medium to enterprise-level companies. We are a small team with challenging projects from companies like ESPN, Nintendo, Atlantis Hotel, Visa, and interesting startups.&#8221;

So Nintendo is a client/customer of a company that builds PHP based applications, mobile web applications, and social media apps. Interesting.

Here&#8217;s more info on LBM&#8217;s mobile development: http://lbm.co/services/mobile-development Their site says: &#8220;We provide a wide array of services revolving interactivity on a screen. &#8220;

Nintendo is not listed as a past client on their site. Meaning whatever their doing with Nintendo hasn't been revealed yet.

Game Informer is now reporting on the HBO Go thing: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/06/02/rumor-hbo-go-coming-to-nintendo-console.aspx
 
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