The worst thing about PC gaming is....

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The fact that PCs and PC components, are now seen as more than just vehicles for entertainment and creativity. They, especially their components and power, are now being viewed as investments.

Thanks to AI, crypto, and all that other tech-bro Web3 grifting shit, components like ram and GPUs which were simply once seen as products for gamers and creators like me and you, components that were exclusively for us to play games like Crysis and GTA5 at high framerates (or do some quick and easy blender renders), are now being scalped and overpriced in low supply. Corporations and organizations all over the world turned the common gaming PC (or workstation PC) into pure gold which can be sold for a high price.

Every day, there's some new shortage caused by some massive new tech """"discovery"""" (just another grift waiting to burst like everything else in this bubble). AI, crypto, chips, Sora2, whatever the fuck. And businesses rush to buy GPUs, Ram, CPUs, etc in bulk from companies who abandoned their loyal gamer and creator bases, while leaving us with 400% markup scraps that might not have all the advertised ROPs, enough VRAM or even a functional power connector.

Console gamers, as crazy as it sounds, really don't have to deal with being in competition with other multi billion dollar corporations overvaluing and then buying up all their hardware. OpenAI isn't going to buy up 12000 PS5s just to use their memory. People see these as gaming machines and the people who buy them are likely gamers. No miners, no AI "art" generators, no LLM losers. This combined with subsidization, very large used markets, and connections among companies like Sony and Nintendo mean they get somewhat reasonable prices. They only have to worry about the dumbass scalpers, who are honestly a significantly less ridiculous problem because they're just average middle class dudes trying to strike it rich, instead of technocrats and tech bro trust fund babies.

I'm a PC gamer, so maybe this is just me seeing the grass as greener on the other side. But other gamers have it so easy since their platforms are not as directly affected by all this new tech-grift bullshit that's been popping up for the past 8 years.
 
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You're right. PC gaming is a lot more expensive than it used to be.

I said this in another thread, where in 2017 the 1080ti launched for £699. The 5090 launched this year for £2K. Even adjusting for inflation, that is a massive jump.

Wonder what the 6000 series will launch at?

You can however build a decent mid range for under £1500, but there was a time not so long ago when that money fot you a top of the line rig.
 
Well, with consoles we now have the first generation where the hardware actually gets more expensive instead of cheaper. And with PCs you also have to consider: no paywall for online play or cloud saves, cheaper games, free choice of input devices, and much more. Consoles are basically 'take it or leave it,' while PCs are 'everything's possible, nothing's mandatory.'
 
Choppy/glitchy graphics and then having to tinker for ages to get the highest fps vs smoothness. Then the constant upgrades to eek that extra bit of performance out.

Sorry - that's the BEST bit!

Hmmm - probably having to sit at my desk vs console gaming on the couch.
 
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Consoles use the same technology which has the same shortage problems, but mitigated by volume.
It was nearly impossible to find a PS5 in a shop for 2 years in my country, same period as the crypto bubble which made graphic card prices jump like crazy.
 
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The things you can do with a PC far outmatches a console, and indeed that is not always for the better given your examples. Yet I would always prioritize my PC over my console(s) when it comes to purchases and usage.
 
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Nobody is buying gaming hardware for AI shit . OpenAI might not be buying 12000 PS5s, but they aren't buying 12000 5090s either.

PC hardware is getting more expensive because there's less of it being made. Manufacturers have a clear incentive to use their production capacity for specialized AI chips instead. Consoles will be affected by this as well. Next gen hardware is going to cost an arm and a leg.
 
Consoles uses the same chip/DRAM/NAND wafers as everything else and pays the same market prices for them. If prices go up, the console vendor has to either subsidize them more or raise prices (which we've seen happen). The cost of the RAM and NAND in a PS5 has increased by about ~$100 since they last raised the US price in August for instance, so either Sony accounts for that in their NPV subsidization model (raising prices on games/subs/etc) or they'll have to raise their prices too eventually.
 
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Nobody is buying gaming hardware for AI shit . OpenAI might not be buying 12000 PS5s, but they aren't buying 12000 5090s either.

Yep. They're not buying gaming GPUs.

They're buying the H100 GPU that costs 25k per unit. A card designed for AI.
 
Consoles will be affected by this as well. Next gen hardware is going to cost an arm and a leg.
Consoles uses the same chip/DRAM/NAND wafers as everything else and pays the same market prices for them. If prices go up, the console vendor has to either subsidize them more or raise prices (which we've seen happen). The cost of the RAM and NAND in a PS5 has increased by about ~$100 since they last raised the US price in August for instance, so either Sony accounts for that in their NPV subsidization model (raising prices on games/subs/etc) or they'll have to raise their prices too eventually.
True, but that's covered by a point I made in my previous post. Sony and Nintendo will subsidize the cost somewhat because they'll be able to more effectively barter and eat costs that will be recouped by their ecosystem. (MTX, online subs, all that other BS) They're kind of the dam that keeps the prices of PS5s and Switch 2's from skyrocketing to 1500 and 1200, even if the products in that ecosystem end up costing significantly more as a result

We PC gamers have to get those components straight from the source. And they don't care that we're just consumers, they charge whatever the fuck they feel like.
 
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Yeah PC gaming is asinine at this point. Plus the real lack of optimization. I don't have a top of the line rig(7000/4090), but it's pretty good still and so many games release in a state that is so unstable. Stuttering, tearing, bad frame pacing, etc. It costs more than ever and performance is worst than ever.
 
Yeah pretty shitty to be honest, diminishing returns, only the top top end rigs play anything at the best quality.
Consoles also a mess games releasing buggy unfinished and barely running at resolutions from 2008 upscaled out the ass.
 
The constant redirecting of resources to drive other markets, leading to ridiculously higher prices and lack of availability.


Jesus will it ever fucking end?
 
Well, with consoles we now have the first generation where the hardware actually gets more expensive instead of cheaper.

Which is crazy. Consoles used to come down in price. Same as any old tech.

Now we're in a fucked up time line where tech increases in price as it gets more outdated.

Unfortunately, this is probably now the new norm.
 
The constant redirecting of resources to drive other markets, leading to ridiculously higher prices and lack of availability.


Jesus will it ever fucking end?
Which is crazy. Consoles used to come down in price. Same as any old tech.

Now we're in a fucked up time line where tech increases in price as it gets more outdated.

Unfortunately, this is probably now the new norm.
I truly miss when computers were just a thing for nerds and enthusiasts instead of turning into coveted 21st century gold that every company wants so that they can help smegma mcgoonface generate his septuple tittied AI girlfriend
 
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The fact that PCs and PC components, are now seen as more than just vehicles for entertainment and creativity. They, especially their components and power, are now being viewed as investments.

Thanks to AI, crypto, and all that other tech-bro Web3 grifting shit, components like ram and GPUs which were simply once seen as products for gamers and creators like me and you, components that were exclusively for us to play games like Crysis and GTA5 at high framerates (or do some quick and easy blender renders), are now being scalped and overpriced in low supply. Corporations and organizations all over the world turned the common gaming PC (or workstation PC) into pure gold which can be sold for a high price.

Every day, there's some new shortage caused by some massive new tech """"discovery"""" (just another grift waiting to burst like everything else in this bubble). AI, crypto, chips, Sora2, whatever the fuck. And businesses rush to buy GPUs, Ram, CPUs, etc in bulk from companies who abandoned their loyal gamer and creator bases, while leaving us with 400% markup scraps that might not have all the advertised ROPs, enough VRAM or even a functional power connector.

Console gamers, as crazy as it sounds, really don't have to deal with being in competition with other multi billion dollar corporations overvaluing and then buying up all their hardware. OpenAI isn't going to buy up 12000 PS5s just to use their memory. People see these as gaming machines and the people who buy them are likely gamers. No miners, no AI "art" generators, no LLM losers. This combined with subsidization, very large used markets, and connections among companies like Sony and Nintendo mean they get somewhat reasonable prices. They only have to worry about the dumbass scalpers, who are honestly a significantly less ridiculous problem because they're just average middle class dudes trying to strike it rich, instead of technocrats and tech bro trust fund babies.

I'm a PC gamer, so maybe this is just me seeing the grass as greener on the other side. But other gamers have it so easy since their platforms are not as directly affected by all this new tech-grift bullshit that's been popping up for the past 8 years.
That's why i got both type, switch ps5 and pc. I think the easy to access and somehow if i want to more control i will move to pc again. Depend on the needs.
 
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