The worst thing about PC gaming is....
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Doctor Hades
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Worst thing about PC gaming is absolutely the price of hardware, graphics cards in particular.
Bought my current PC in December 2022 with an i5-13600KF and 32 GB of DDR4 3600 memory. At that time I had a RTX 3080 which I replaced with a RTX 4080 in January 2023 and that is the build I am still using now. I've added additional NVMe drives and so on as well as replaced my 27" ASUS IPS monitor with a 27" Dell QD-OLED one but not touched the hardware otherwise. To be honest, my system still plays every game I've bought at 90-120 fps plus I use G-SYNC and frame gen to push framerates up to 360 fps on my monitor, which is nice for less demanding, older games (it is a 360 Hz display).
Not feeling any need to upgrade my GPU either, thankfully, and for me 1440p is the sweet spot for gaming, offering great image at maxed out settings. I've always felt that 4K gaming was overrated personally as the additional expense needed to run games well at that resolution means buying a £1,500-£2,500 GPU or reducing the settings, which negates the whole point of playing games on PC in my opinion. And most games running on 4K displays are not actually running at 4K anyway but upscaled from resolutions as low as 1080p.
I do play games on my PS5 Pro at 4K on my 55" LG OLED TV but, honestly, I think the image quality for games looks far better on PC games on my 1440p monitor, especially as I have access to DLSS and what I typically use for the majority of my games: DLAA. That's even taking into account that I am sat much further away from my 55" TV than I am my 27" monitor.
Dreading buying my next PC though as I would just how much I would to need to pay for a decent build. My last PC had a budget of £2,000 and that was without the GPU which I salvaged from my old PC. NVIDIA seem content to just keep pushing up the prices of their already overpriced GPUs and AMD are simply too far behind to even be a consideration in terms of upscaling APIs and performance. My next build will definitely be based on an AMD X3D CPU though. Hopefully, I will not need to upgrade anything until the next gen Xbox and PS6 arrive in a few years time.
Bought my current PC in December 2022 with an i5-13600KF and 32 GB of DDR4 3600 memory. At that time I had a RTX 3080 which I replaced with a RTX 4080 in January 2023 and that is the build I am still using now. I've added additional NVMe drives and so on as well as replaced my 27" ASUS IPS monitor with a 27" Dell QD-OLED one but not touched the hardware otherwise. To be honest, my system still plays every game I've bought at 90-120 fps plus I use G-SYNC and frame gen to push framerates up to 360 fps on my monitor, which is nice for less demanding, older games (it is a 360 Hz display).
Not feeling any need to upgrade my GPU either, thankfully, and for me 1440p is the sweet spot for gaming, offering great image at maxed out settings. I've always felt that 4K gaming was overrated personally as the additional expense needed to run games well at that resolution means buying a £1,500-£2,500 GPU or reducing the settings, which negates the whole point of playing games on PC in my opinion. And most games running on 4K displays are not actually running at 4K anyway but upscaled from resolutions as low as 1080p.
I do play games on my PS5 Pro at 4K on my 55" LG OLED TV but, honestly, I think the image quality for games looks far better on PC games on my 1440p monitor, especially as I have access to DLSS and what I typically use for the majority of my games: DLAA. That's even taking into account that I am sat much further away from my 55" TV than I am my 27" monitor.
Dreading buying my next PC though as I would just how much I would to need to pay for a decent build. My last PC had a budget of £2,000 and that was without the GPU which I salvaged from my old PC. NVIDIA seem content to just keep pushing up the prices of their already overpriced GPUs and AMD are simply too far behind to even be a consideration in terms of upscaling APIs and performance. My next build will definitely be based on an AMD X3D CPU though. Hopefully, I will not need to upgrade anything until the next gen Xbox and PS6 arrive in a few years time.
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ResilientBanana
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You are being brazenly aggressive against facts which is like being mad at science for telling the truth. No one is sucking corporate cock or defending Microsoft's shitty practices here, it's just a logical argument that you are taking to the next level with insults.
While the things you don't like, are literally the same things we don't like about Windows OS, which is about to horrifically become agentic. there is the simple fact that games run 5%-20% better on Windows than on Linux which makes it difficult to switch to Linux when your primary focus is gaming. This is exacerbated when wanting to play newer games which is unfortunate. If you can find data that proves otherwise, please present it.
With Windows, advanced users spend as much time disabling features as Linux users do enabling them.
As far as RAM usage is concerned, it's not typically how much RAM is being used at idle as much as it's how the system uses the RAM while functioning. When I turn my PC on I don't just stare at it. CachyOS uses around 2GB idle out of the box but many users claim 2-6GB while it's functioning and there have been bugs which take it to 32GB of RAM usage. Nothing is perfect it seems. Anyway Bazzite is 2-6GB also.
The reason I know this information is because I've been considering moving to Linux and it doesn't make sense for my use case, which is gaming. Sometimes I use other applications, but lately it's only gaming.
Below is a link for a debloated Windows ISO. I've never used it but it seemed interesting.
An optimized modification of Windows, designed for gamers.
We designed Atlas to maximize performance and minimize latency. Experience higher framerates and lower latency compared to stock, slow Windows.
atlasos.net
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Dorfdad
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Yeah I use that also, however there are a ton of things that require pulling out my keyboard and typing / navigation for windows apps etc.. just not a smooth experience for controllers. Stream big picture is ok but the lack of customization size of icons etc is a pita. Though reducing text size does help shrink the game banners at the expense of my eyes!
phant0m
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Here you go:
Linux vs Windows tested in 10 games - Linux 17% faster on Average
Computers, hardware, software and gaming in Spanish and English
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Windows vs Linux gaming benchmarks, by me
I went for the most simple benchmark runs I could do in order to achieve a general idea of how much a difference in performance (CPU) there is between Linux and Windows. I tested three games, two of which I play quite often. FFXIV, Baldur's Gate 3, and Cyberpunk 2077. For all three games, I...
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Linux vs Windows Gaming Benchmarks: Fedora 40 Scores Surprising Wins
The conversation around gaming on Linux sure has changed in the last few years. And these benchmark results prove it.
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I suggest you stop 'considering' and just do it. Dual-boot if you really need to, but I've been gaming on linux exclusively for the last year and as long as you don't play games w/ kernel anti-cheat it's been fantastic.
Here's what I've played on Bazzite this year, great performance/no issues (5800X3D / RX 7900XT):
- KCD2
- Avowed
- Tainted Grail
- Black Myth Wukong
- Doom TDA
- Borderlands 4
- Ninja Gaiden II Black
- Oblivion Remake
- Dune Awakening
- AC Shadows
- Dying Light: Beast
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ResilientBanana
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Here you go:
Linux vs Windows tested in 10 games - Linux 17% faster on Average
Computers, hardware, software and gaming in Spanish and English
Windows vs Linux gaming benchmarks, by me
I went for the most simple benchmark runs I could do in order to achieve a general idea of how much a difference in performance (CPU) there is between Linux and Windows. I tested three games, two of which I play quite often. FFXIV, Baldur's Gate 3, and Cyberpunk 2077. For all three games, I...
Linux vs Windows Gaming Benchmarks: Fedora 40 Scores Surprising Wins
The conversation around gaming on Linux sure has changed in the last few years. And these benchmark results prove it.
I suggest you stop 'considering' and just do it. Dual-boot if you really need to, but I've been gaming on linux exclusively for the last year and as long as you don't play games w/ kernel anti-cheat it's been fantastic.
Here's what I've played on Bazzite this year, great performance/no issues (5800X3D / RX 7900XT):
- KCD2
- Avowed
- Tainted Grail
- Black Myth Wukong
- Doom TDA
- Borderlands 4
- Ninja Gaiden II Black
- Oblivion Remake
- Dune Awakening
- AC Shadows
- Dying Light: Beast
He mentioned right at the beginning this works with a lot of games except games that require anti-cheat. I'll give it a shot and see how it goes.
phant0m
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Yup. And over the last year or so they've made a ton a progressing getting EAC/Battleye working in Linux. It's mostly the deep kernel level stuff (Vanguard, Ricochet) that still needs Windows.
Xbox 360 slim
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I'm forced to play on PC. Too many games I like that aren't on consoles.
PaintTinJr
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Back in mid 90s u bought 1k usd pc only for it to be irrelevant year or at max 2 years later, back then we had crazy hardware progress on a yearly basis.
Now u get rtx 3060, 32gigs of ram together with midrange zen3 (5000 series) cpu like r5 5600x which u could get for well under 1k total back in early 2021- u will be fine till crossgen ends aka around 2030.
Here how those games gonna look and run:
Those are specs above upcoming gabecube btw =D
Now quick comparision on how topend pc (1,5k usd+ adjusted for inflation for cpu alone)ran first doom at launch:
U entitled young bucks have no idea how tuff it was back in early pc days, common practice was running games in small window at half/third or sometimes even quarter resolution of ur monitor just so u could achieve semi stable 20fps on low settings
Most games of the time could be optimised to run faster *if* the game's files were small enough to be installed in a RAM drive from extend memory and there was still enough RAM over to meet the games RAM needs. Even old Amstrad Word Processors of the late 90s that were 8088XTs under the hood could run games like the original PGA tour Golf at decent performance that way IIRC, and I'm pretty sure I got DOOM running decently on a 386DX 33Mhz in 8MB of RAM that way at friends.
But that might have been using Digital Research Dos off a boot disk I took with me rather than using the PC's Dos/Win. Running out of a RAM drive worked for quite a lot of games that were still cross gen and effectively worked on 512KB minus the OS overhead to still run on 8088XT or were using 640KB minus the OS overhead to remain compatible with 80286 and above without any spec requirements on having extend memory - or an ISA/EISA Expanded 16MB RAM board - to make a game sale.
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Solarstrike
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Just a few things. Hackers, cheats, no-gooders, evil-doers, slaptards, jackasses, asshat's, mf'ers, piece of sh!t's, aimbotter's, and campers.
nkarafo
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Those are PC exclusives?
Hawk The Slayer
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Fbh
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Honestly, the cost. It's literally the reason I'm still playing on Ps5 and haven't just switched to PC.
That said, with my limited experience with PC gaming (mostly on my laptop), some of the extra tinkering can also be annoying.
Like I don't know, I buy Metal Gear Rising on Steam but it runs at super low resolution and doesn't let me change it. Have to google it online and find and apply some user made fix.
Or I try the YSX demo but it crashes on launch and I have to google it, then figure out I needed to update Visual C++ and then it works.
Or Ori 2 randomly looks completely fucked up when enabling HDR and I never figured out how to fix it outside of just restarting the PC.
It's usually relatively minor stuff that doesn't take more than 5-10 mins to google and fix. But coming from the console side I do sometimes miss the "it just works" approach.
That said, with my limited experience with PC gaming (mostly on my laptop), some of the extra tinkering can also be annoying.
Like I don't know, I buy Metal Gear Rising on Steam but it runs at super low resolution and doesn't let me change it. Have to google it online and find and apply some user made fix.
Or I try the YSX demo but it crashes on launch and I have to google it, then figure out I needed to update Visual C++ and then it works.
Or Ori 2 randomly looks completely fucked up when enabling HDR and I never figured out how to fix it outside of just restarting the PC.
It's usually relatively minor stuff that doesn't take more than 5-10 mins to google and fix. But coming from the console side I do sometimes miss the "it just works" approach.
yurinka
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I'd say:
- Having to check every game if your PC meets the HW specs for each game, and later having to spend a good time tweaking the settings to get the most optimal experience in your device
- More expensive hardware
- Having to handle with the drivers installing them separatedly, and in a few cases having to skip new ones if they introduce some issue
- The amount of cheaters in multiplayer
- Windows negatively affecting the performance of the games
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just too many to count, but worst ones
- out of control hw prices
- almost never optimized, broken ports, which mostly rely on brute force. so good luck if you are on mid range.
- even on highest end still dealing with horrible pc exclusive issues like shader comp stutters on best hw money can buy.
- unbearable system warriors, that constantly downplay any issues, so they are never getting fixed.
- out of control hw prices
- almost never optimized, broken ports, which mostly rely on brute force. so good luck if you are on mid range.
- even on highest end still dealing with horrible pc exclusive issues like shader comp stutters on best hw money can buy.
- unbearable system warriors, that constantly downplay any issues, so they are never getting fixed.
Guilty_AI
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I think ZOOM is also explicitly DRM free. Itch io, although not making DRM-free a rule, still has the majority of its games being DRM-free, with the ones which arent usually being keys.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
That 99,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of things works.
Need drawing (colored even) to understand??
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Dirk Benedict
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Then, you have jaded users, like myself that abstain from MP games, entirely. I tried to go into L4D last week.. complete fucking losers in there, rn. Eventually, I said fuck them all and killed all the specials, went ahead of them and completed all objectives ahead of them, when they tried to kill me, I already understood the assignment and killed everything that came my fucking way. Fuck loser personalities online. They don't deserve me.
phant0m
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The one that needs a crayon drawing is you bubbagump
Do you own MS stock or something?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I own Windows 11. And it just works.
OverHeat
« generous god »
SameI own Windows 11. And it just works.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
And really Steam DRM is very easy to crack on top of that. GoG is of course still better.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
Worst part for me honestly is I work from home so streaming is probably my most social aspect of my gaming. If I don't play Fortnite, ARC, or something else hyper competitive NO ONE EVER WATCHES! Its like if your just trying to be chill and talk and create a community its very hard. People just want to see you lose, rage, and scream.. As a 54 year old man it's kinda hard to keep that level up my life backstory isn't like Eminems so I lost most of my hate years ago
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
I understand more than you know. I don't stream as much, anymore. Even having a big payout waiting for me. I just don't care. I think when it's big enough, I'll cashout and maybe put it towards some bills and pay everything off, and also pay the taxes on it. That's why I delay it.Worst part for me honestly is I work from home so streaming is probably my most social aspect of my gaming. If I don't play Fortnite, ARC, or something else hyper competitive NO ONE EVER WATCHES! Its like if your just trying to be chill and talk and create a community its very hard. People just want to see you lose, rage, and scream.. As a 54 year old man it's kinda hard to keep that level up my life backstory isn't like Eminems so I lost most of my hate years ago
That said, I still stream for a small group of people and we talk shit about bad game design and I rage over some stupid shit, sometimes.
The common theme is getting baked and shitting on games on hard difficulties. It's nice and everything, but I can see how Twitch fell off and the engagement is more towards Just Chatting. I think I may make the move to YouTube and actually give a shit, this time and try to build something small.
We'll see.
awwr999999
Member
Even after spending that time and debloating - Windows still sucks at a fundamental level.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
Go for it, if you'd like to join up and do some stuff let me know I been thinking to move to YouTube as well. At least it's evergreen and you can make a few bucks on the vods.
nkarafo
Member
I still use Windows 10 so it's fine.
And as long as it plays all my games i don't care.