Mister Wolf
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The worst thing about PC gaming is....
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nkarafo
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Fixed.
And Windows sucks but you can tame it to a point and debloat it if you have some attention span and you are willing to spend some time to fix it.
Dorfdad
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The biggest two problems I have is the inability to use a controller for everything. Having to use a keyboard most of the time to launch games enter text etc from couch and the constant tinkering and bad pc ports.
I usually get 2 hours to game and I find myself spending that time tweaking shit. Oh and hackers suck. Pc is super easy to hack most games and anything competitive seems filled with losers hacking.. I end up plying on consoles for those and disable crossplay..
I usually get 2 hours to game and I find myself spending that time tweaking shit. Oh and hackers suck. Pc is super easy to hack most games and anything competitive seems filled with losers hacking.. I end up plying on consoles for those and disable crossplay..
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Not fixed, as benchmarks like the one posted above shows.
And about the debloat:
Takes just 1 or 2 minutes.
nkarafo
Member
Use Kodi or some other frontend.
Any tinkering will be done once. Then you can launch games from your couch.
I use kodi for games, emulators, movies and even Youtube. I launch everything from my bed, i only have a wireless KB/Mouse nearby in case something crashes or freezes, which is rare.
Obviously we are talking about games that support a gamepad, natively. But even those that don't you can still use Joytokey and create a profile for each.
If you are on PC, there's always a solution.
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EverydayBeast
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Absolutely than there's bugs, errors, updates that aren't normally on consoles and the physical feels less and less than a gaming device, too big, printers hooked up to it, there's something about consoles where your expectations are about fun.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You can force controllers for virtually every game with apps like JoytoKey. Controllers can be used as mouse plus virtual keyboards are a thing. It is consoles that suck limiting your options for controllers.
Lucifers Beard
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At the moment? Windows. Windows 11 in particular is just a bloated mess of an operating system that seems to break something with every update. Otherwise PC gaming is annoying when one day everything works fine and the next, a game doesn't launch or something goes wrong and for the next hour or two you find yourself on Google trying to fix an issue, when all you wanted to do is play a game.
For me I feel like with the more limited time I have, I'm moving further away from PC gaming. It's so much easier to put a game in the PS5 and it typically just works. Yeah it doesn't look as good and has it's own problems at times, but it just plays out of the box.
With all this being said though, if the Steam Machine is priced right, I'll get one and replace my PC with it, despite the Steam Machine having a bit less power.
For me I feel like with the more limited time I have, I'm moving further away from PC gaming. It's so much easier to put a game in the PS5 and it typically just works. Yeah it doesn't look as good and has it's own problems at times, but it just plays out of the box.
With all this being said though, if the Steam Machine is priced right, I'll get one and replace my PC with it, despite the Steam Machine having a bit less power.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
This is extremely rare to happen like the Forza Horizon 3 case. And holy bullshit about 1 or 2 hours. It takes 1 or 2 minutes to know what is happening and 5 to fix if it is fixable.
Lucifers Beard
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I mean you're right, but it also depends on what the problem is, so it varies. I had an issue where it was completely unclear what the problem was with Helldivers 2 crashing every 5 minutes so after going through everything I thought it could be, including reinstalling the game, drivers, bios updates etc, I ended up reinstalling Windows.This is extremely rare to happen like the Forza Horizon 3 case. And holy bullshit about 1 or 2 hours. It takes 1 or 2 minutes to know what is happening and 5 to fix if it is fixable.
Not all fixes are 5 minutes, that's bullshit.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Reinstalling Windows is never a better solution unless you or a virus fucked the windows integrity.
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Felessan
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I hate to pop your delusional bubble
But for the last 40-50 years PC always was first and foremost a tool for productivity and this meaning occupied like 80-90% of PC usage. Entertainment and creativity always was side activity for PC as a whole
And now main purpose bloat out of proportion and start to squeeze that corner where gaming is.
Btw - it's still tools for productivity and not investment, no one besides some scalpers occasionally invest in hardware to see it getting more expensive, companies buy huge volumes of hardware to produce something else of value.
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Radical_3d
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dcx4610
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It's the prices for me and the price to performance increase. I used to build a new system every 3-5 years. A full build would usually be around $1200 for top of the line stuff.
As of now, I'm still on my system from 5 years ago. I upgraded the GPU but the CPU and memory are still good enough to run most games at high frame rates. I'm definitely bottlenecked in some games but still hit 60fps in pretty much everything.
When I price out a new build, it's literally over 4 grand. 4 grand for what? 30 more fps? Plus, my build is rock stable and it's always stressful building something new and hoping you have the same stability. Especially with how many bugs and manufacturing issues there are these days in hardware.
I definitely want a new build, but I just can't justify the prices.
As of now, I'm still on my system from 5 years ago. I upgraded the GPU but the CPU and memory are still good enough to run most games at high frame rates. I'm definitely bottlenecked in some games but still hit 60fps in pretty much everything.
When I price out a new build, it's literally over 4 grand. 4 grand for what? 30 more fps? Plus, my build is rock stable and it's always stressful building something new and hoping you have the same stability. Especially with how many bugs and manufacturing issues there are these days in hardware.
I definitely want a new build, but I just can't justify the prices.
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Felessan
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I see it as just another round of automatizationThe value:
Same as in dotcom boom (that was based also on PC automatization but for different bunch of jobs) - I think that expectations and valuations are unfounded but nevertheless it still bring quite a lot of value if used properly and gradually over the next decade or two a lot of jobs will be replaced by AI
It's already happening - some of menial/junior tasks are given to AI like documents read out, basic reconciliations/error checking, simple RAD etc.
As in any automatization there are bound to be errors and it require supervision, but human input still greatly reduced.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Just too much responsibility to get the most out of it. It's like my problem with having a huge penis. I owe it to the world to make sure it gets used to its highest potential. Someone like me that has a huge penis struggled maintaining a life style of lots of sex and pc gaming at its finest. So I had to give up pc gaming and stick to peasant console gaming.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
GPU prices and shader compilations.
Other than that, it's the best platform.
Other than that, it's the best platform.
ResilientBanana
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Did the price of consoles go up or down? When a console releases, is it typically in stock or is there a shortage?
I think all electronics follow the same trend
I think all electronics follow the same trend
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CuteFaceJay
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2nd hand 3090's are TOO CHEAP on ebay right now. How are there even any listings left?
R6Rider
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Summed up in one post.
Mister Wolf
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People want access to Nvidia Frame Gen.
Xbox 360 slim
Member
WTF? You have a 4090, am I taking crazy pills?
MiguelItUp
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Very true. I hate that trends have involved computer components which in return affect the cost and availability for those that just want a computer for gaming and then some.
It's wild to think about how there was a period where you could build a solid rig that would be relevant for a few years for $600-$800 dollars.
It's wild to think about how there was a period where you could build a solid rig that would be relevant for a few years for $600-$800 dollars.
ResilientBanana
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Incredibly Misinformed.
Windows is bloated, but not to the degree that people assume.
Most requirements are indeed to increase security
AI/Copilot sucks, with you there
Windows Recall is an option, can be disabled, and is locally encrypted to the machine. May also be set to not include applications. It's only on PCs with Copilot+
EUFI is not a weird BIOS setting, it should be turned on standard. It allows you to boot from drives larger than 2TB, provides faster boot times, provides enhanced security features, allows the BIOS to have a GUI rather than just a black/blue screen with text, ensures only trusted software is loaded during the boot process. It's also been around since 2006. So..
Linux performs better on a select few games, but not most and usually never on major releases, and major releases never get updated to do so. As some users pointed out there's typically a -5% to -20% performance impact when moving to Linux. This alone has impacted my move to the OS.
Bazzite and CachyOS are great, but not as user-friendly as Windows and don't significantly improve performance specifically for gaming despite being very light in weight. CachyOS is the more difficult of the two. With Bazzite having preinstalled packages for gaming with nVidia support out of the box. But overall Windows wins in terms of usability as Linux will hit you with many roadblocks along the way due to compatibility issues.
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Hawk The Slayer
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Worse and only bad thing is the Price and that's literally it. Besides the price, it's the best gaming piece as you can play the most and greatest games, modding, emulation, and ease of internet and for everything else. It's something you'll almost always have on when you're home. Price is the only bad thing.
cinnamonandgravy
Gold Member
price
no physical
and it does take some tinkering talent/knowledge/patience to get the very best out of the platform (enabling/disabling settings, fan profiles, etc)
but you get better IQ and performance over consoles
i cant say no to that
no physical
and it does take some tinkering talent/knowledge/patience to get the very best out of the platform (enabling/disabling settings, fan profiles, etc)
but you get better IQ and performance over consoles
i cant say no to that
DarkShadowXI
Gold Member
I'm gonna run my 4090 until the wheels fall off.
Then I'll probably stick with Nintendo, PlayStation, and SteamOS.
Then I'll probably stick with Nintendo, PlayStation, and SteamOS.
lachesis
Member
Well, we PC builders are such niche part of the industry - that any turmoil in the industry in any of its parts - it becomes a big issue for us the builders.
I started building one to look for quality components and performance at reasonable price - but that "reasonable" part is so easily shaken and disturbed.... and nobody really gives a rat's ass when it does.
I started building one to look for quality components and performance at reasonable price - but that "reasonable" part is so easily shaken and disturbed.... and nobody really gives a rat's ass when it does.
LordOcidax
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The parts prices…
Major Insano
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Most multi-player games are trashed by cheating hacker degens.
FalconPunch
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Eh, the chips are the same. The only difference is the ram really. The gpu vendors are just designing ai chips and shoehorning them in for gamers. Amd for example has cdna and rdna but I believe they're being unified for the next release. I could be wrong though.
phant0m
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Misinformed?? Motherfucker there's no being misinformed when you fire up a clean install of a fresh OS and it's eating like 4 GB of RAM doing absolutely nothing. And like I said in my original post, I shouldn't have to spend time or energy disabling Windows shit that I didn't ask for. I wasn't talking about UEFI itself, but the Secure Boot + HVCI/VBS requirements for games like BF6 to even run. And we haven't even touched on the requirement to sign in with a fucking online MS account. And don't give me the "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" workaround bullshit, because again I shouldn't have to and they already announced they're taking it away soon.
Anyway, since both of you like the taste of corporate dick so much,
Please buy Office 365! SCORE! You got a free trial!
Please try CoPilot!
Have you tried Microsoft Edge? Please don't change your default browser., it's like super good now. We promise!
I know it sounds like I'm a MS/Windows hater but I'm really not. I would pay very good money for what would essentially be Windows 7 with security updates and DX12 support. No online bullshit, no start menu that pulls content from the web, local accounts only. No phone sync, no MS Store, no Copilot.
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FalconPunch
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I don't agree entirely. It is rare but, when something breaks, it takes a while for a known fix to pop up. The idea that it takes about 1-2 minutes is a bigger lie than the 1-2 hours.This is extremely rare to happen like the Forza Horizon 3 case. And holy bullshit about 1 or 2 hours. It takes 1 or 2 minutes to know what is happening and 5 to fix if it is fixable.
Secondly, on pc, things are more likely to release and remain broken except fixed by a modder. Just this week, we saw a modder release a fix for 8gb gpus in Monster Hunter. Something the developer should have fixed but instead ignored.
phant0m
Member
Don't forget the OG Dark Souls release, was basically unplayable until modders fixed it.
The flip side of that is obviously PC has wide mod support for people to enhance and bring other cool things to games that aren't possible on console.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I am not blind to any corporate dick. I go where the best is if I can. Using constantly Win11, Nobara and SteamOS, Windows for gaming is just better overall by far.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I can't even remember the last thing that broke before the FH3 case.
Things are less likely to release and remain broken, not more. Monter Hunter Wilds is also performing or looking like shit on consoles so it's Capcom entire fault there.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
There was nothing unplayable there. It was virtualy exaclty the same as on X360 locked at 720p and 30- fps.
Durin
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The worst part right now has been stuttering in some games, both the traversal and shader compilation variety. Will likely get fixed, but game production takes years so the adjustment is on a lag time. GPU prices also blow.
PC definitely has it worse for consumer hardware getting scalped directly...but console owners and everybody using electronics does have to deal with this AI boom problem, and is in competition with everyone else at these silicon foundries.
Tariffs + inflation aren't the only reason consoles have gotten more expensive instead of cheaper, they're all competing for VRAM, SSD memory, etc. You also have to deal with the fact that consoles are cheaper lower margin items, so there is less incentive to prioritize those over more lucrative AI data center contracts...unless Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo pay up to not get a crap place in the line, nerfing their volume pricing deals.
PC definitely has it worse for consumer hardware getting scalped directly...but console owners and everybody using electronics does have to deal with this AI boom problem, and is in competition with everyone else at these silicon foundries.
Tariffs + inflation aren't the only reason consoles have gotten more expensive instead of cheaper, they're all competing for VRAM, SSD memory, etc. You also have to deal with the fact that consoles are cheaper lower margin items, so there is less incentive to prioritize those over more lucrative AI data center contracts...unless Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo pay up to not get a crap place in the line, nerfing their volume pricing deals.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
If it bursts. I hope it does, but nothing is certain.
Durin
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It likely will, it shows quite a few signs of the dot com bubble, and even when it bursts AI will stick around. Demand will just go down, with fewer companies remaining that are actually producing value with the tech.