ProtoByte
you are of the opinion that it's almost all a hoax? Or did I misunderstood your posts.
I'm from italy so i honestly only look up news for the us here on gaf and some other foreign forums, i don't really dig that much.
I'm not really into politics in general.
So you think it's all an overblown charade?
Epstein was a sex trafficker and a pedo, and Maxwell was his accomplice.
I do not believe the grand conspiracy that "the world's richest and most powerful people" or anyone else engaged in these crimes with him or purchased in them from him and/or that this was (and would logically have to be) used either as leverage and blackmail by him or some assortment of ringleading intelligence agencies; who would still not be able to run such an operation for 30+ years globally without coming into any truly credible journalistic or prosecutorial trouble, or it leaking from inside. There have absolutely been strange aspects to the story, but it's not nearly as secretive and sealed as it's made out to be. "Epstein Files" have been being released for years. There's plenty of stuff that's publicly available to read. People just don't do it.
The chief allegation that all the spun and re-spun grander conspiracy theories stem from came from Virginia Giuffre in 2014, who was so non-credible, the Maxwell prosecution didn't call her as a witness. That said, Giuffre's claims triggered a near decade long set of investigations and civil litigation backed by some of the world's most high powered law firms. She managed to get an out of court settlement from Prince Andrew because he was dumb enough to do that BBC interview, and had to actually retract her claim against Alan Dershowitz. After accusing a wide host of other big names for crimes, those are the only resolutions the legal arsenal she (and all other civil accusers) had could reach against named individuals (outside of Ghislaine Maxwell) 8 years after making the allegations in the first place. It was really the Miami Herald articles (EDIT: the Netflix documentary came after his death in 2020) - followed then by Epstein's arrest and death that allowed for events to even play out as such.
The others that Giuffre accused in court filings were never successfully sued or even settled with out of court.
Giuffre's death in April was very unfortunate, but the idea that it was "them" (the conspiracy) after more than 10 years of claims, investigations, civil disputes and millions in settlements money as opposed to her committing suicide as per Australian authorities is pretty silly on its face. "Why did she do it", you ask? Might have something to do with the restraining order that barred her from seeing her children:
The Jeffrey Epstein victim died by suicide without a clear will, leaving her royal payout in limbo
www.thetimes.com
There's a lot of attendant stuff with all of this, but the main takeaway is that Giuffre was, by available evidence, consistently non-credible.
Another person who "named names" was also dismissed on the claims of third parties.
The records are part of a defamation lawsuit brought by Virginia Giuffre, an alleged victim of Epstein, against his longtime companion Ghislaine Maxwell.
abcnews.com
JP Morgan and DB each settled class action lawsuits compromised of Giuffre anonymous and non-examined self identified victims amounting to over 350 million dollars just for having had Epstein as a client in the past. Better to pay out than be dragged in a messy civil trial about something as radioactive as this subject.
The victims in the Maxwell trial did not allege being trafficked to third parties beyond Epstein himself.
So then, why is there such a powerful narrative about this online? Beyond the civil money around this, it was a big political tool as well. The online right and its whisperers absolutely leveraged the theory that "the system" set up and covers up such a disgusting thing as fuel for the movement. It was ancillary, and Trump himself never put any emphasis on it, but it did have significant enough influence in the election by way of activating some people who are not politically activated by conventional means. Frankly, you even see it here. It's a powerful thing for "the people" to believe that the entire elite class is so satanic and depraved, and all that's need to be done to bring forward utopia is use the outrage over that to finally bring down the oppressive "system". No rigour or evidence required.
Now that the admin has underdelivered, ie not confirmed the low-information biases of the most vocal segment of "the base", the other side of the political aisle (after 4 years of having the presidency with these files at hand) sees great opportunity in using it as an effective wedge in the right, and a cheap galvanizer on the left.
There's more that has been and could be further explained re: Dershowitz's statements as portrayed by non-linked headlines and clips (
https://archive.is/ZUx0q), the Alex Acosta myths (look back to my previous posts here) screwy settlement foundations/NGOs etc, but this post is long enough. People can fact check of course.
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....nothing is going to happen, nothing is going to change.... it's just entertainment on social media and the "Absolute Cinema" around Trump´s persona and presidency; A true Reality Show.
