There is no Epstein Client List
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BlackTron
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It's good to know that a limit does in fact exist.
Donald mac Ronald
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Busted a nut
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Senua
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Well…
Article: The 2003 birthday letter to Jeffrey Epstein reported on by the WSJ, bearing Donald Trump's name and found in a leather-bound album compiled by Ghislaine Maxwell, features the outline of a nude woman and a strange dialogue between Trump and Epstein.
In the dialogue, Trump notes that, "We have certain things in common, Jeffrey." Jeffrey replies, "Yes, we do, come to think of it."
Trump then remarks, "Enigmas never age, have you noticed that?" and closes, saying, "A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret."
Trump has called the letter fake.
Hero of Spielberg
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Totally normal interaction between 2 regular guys ... nothing sus at all.
kevboard
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Reads less like Bond and more like Dr. Evil.
ChorizoPicozo
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is this relevant? :
rm082e
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This piece right here - that's the part some of us (me included) have never been able to wrap our heads around.
This isn't even really about politics, it's about influence. We can set all the policy and culture war talking points aside for a minute because they're not relevant to this piece.
For the last ten years, I've watched people (some of my own family members among them) project this whole fantasy onto Trump that he would somehow tear the system down instead of just exploit it like all the other elites. His core supporters seem to see him as this sleeper agent fighting for the average joe.
I cannot understand how anyone thought that. I could drone on for paragraphs about all his flaws, and everyone could just dismiss me as a victim of TDS. But the point of listing all the bad about him is to try and get his supporters to see that there's nothing that should have ever made him credible. I know he likes to say "I'm fighting for you!" on his social media posts, but there is nothing about him that should lead his supporters to believe him. Everything about him screams con man, and I don't get how they don't see it.
That's why the term "cult" feels directionally correct. I know some people in the center and left use that word with venom. They talk down at MAGA and make fun of them. For me, I don't flame or insult anyone ever. That's just not in my nature. But beyond that, I don't feel anger/resentment/superiority towards his supporters. What I feel is completely confused. Honestly, I just want to understand how my fellow citizens could possibly believe in him when I'm so completely allergic to him. It's the exactly opposite reactions we have to the same guy that leaves me so confused.
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12Goblins
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"Voice Over: There must be more to life than having everything," the note began.
Donald: Yes, there is, but I won't tell you what it is.
Jeffrey: Nor will I, since I also know what it is.
Donald: We have certain things in common, Jeffrey.
Jeffrey: Yes, we do, come to think of it.
Donald: Enigmas never age, have you noticed that?
Jeffrey: As a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you.
Trump: A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.
Donald: Yes, there is, but I won't tell you what it is.
Jeffrey: Nor will I, since I also know what it is.
Donald: We have certain things in common, Jeffrey.
Jeffrey: Yes, we do, come to think of it.
Donald: Enigmas never age, have you noticed that?
Jeffrey: As a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you.
Trump: A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.
Hero of Spielberg
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MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
This sounds so painfully fake that it might be real.
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The_Observer
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I'm not here to convince you and explain the whys. You couldn't be anyway by anyone else, you have to find yourself the answers because you will dismiss them if someone tries to convince you about something that doesn't align with your worldviews. If you really wanted to know why they think like this you would have started researching about this yourself outside of the msm and leftist bubbles. There is a reason for why a lot of people think or rather thought the same worldwide. Don't think for a minute that this is just an American thing.
I said that part to just simplify the issue. It's not just about poorness and richness. Besides don't tell me the average Joe starts with the same chances as these corrupt "elite". Their richness comes from corruption and they make more with corruption. The average Joe who lives month by month has no excess money to risk it on the stock market. With the rise of AI and robots and the "elite's" constant blabbering of overpopulation and climate change while travelling with their private jets makes one wonder what is the plan for the future. And I'll just leave it at that.
Edit: Trump was seen as the savior and the problem is if Trump is also swamp, which at the moment seems so, then who else is there? No one. That's the reason for this huge falling out. We are fucked from far left to center to far right and everything in between. We are "useless eaters" for them (their words).
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MidGenRefresh
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Must be upset to go full referring to himself in the third person mode.
Sounds like another easy ~ 20 million dollars added to Donnie's bank account.
Unknown Soldier
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He's going to get the mainstream media to pay for his entire Presidential library costs at the rate this is going
Probably written by Miller and he forget who he was pretending to be.Must be upset to go full referring to himself in the third person mode.
CliffBronger
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Hero of Spielberg
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Geez there must be some people seriously sweating right now
Wildebeest
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Useless eaters is a nazi term for disabled people. In reality they want lots of extra people because they are "surplus labor" and suppress wage prices. History has shown that when there is a labor shortage it is bad for elites as they have to make all sorts of concessions. This is even why we are using a common and vulgar language like English to communicate and not a proper language like French or Latin.
It is true that politics is dirty in a way. People there were behind Trump only because he brought electoral success by reaching people they couldn't communicate with easily and who they thought were scum. Now they look to the next election and think they can do something like stage manage someone like Vance as the being the new "leaner, meaner and cleaner" Trump. But its all the same bullshit.
E-Cat
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Dude, of course there's no one and of course Trump's a charlatan -- two obvious statements, except the latter for MAGA. For them, Trump's like a wish fulfillment chameleon, a magic genie, not unlike god. In fact, according to various polls, they trust Trump more than god. Typical cult behavior.
The real answer is that there is someone, and has been all along -- democratic socialists. In fact, the poor rural MAGA voters are the ones who stand to suffer the most from e.g. the cuts to Medicaid, because they're the biggest beneficiaries. But they've been fed the ethos that they're just temporarily embarrassed millionaires and need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and Bernie wants to turn the US into Venezuela (instead of giving them healthcare and a basic social security network). So here we are.
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BattleScar
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In spite of all this, people still be like "Tax on high net worth individuals is bad". The more power and money you allow these parasites to accumulate, the easier it is for them to get away with this despicable shit.
Second Gilded Age. Been named for a bit now. We'll see if people can ever figure out that income inequality is a little out of whack right now.
The_Observer
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Oh, man, where to start… it seems you are bit behind. I'm sure you heard about the rise of AI and robotics. Here is Yuval Noah Harari. Please check who he is and who is he connected with etc. Before you say that he says useless class indstead of eaters, does it change anything at all? Just 2 short videos as a start:
You can't be serious that you are demonstrating in the same post that you are exactly like them but in the opposite way. Seriously? You still trust any of these slimebags? How is Bernie different than any of the others? Please tell me you are just joking here because the irony is too powerful.
E-Cat
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Bernie is not bought by big money like most of Congress, so actually means to drive the policies he claims he's for -- which is precisely why he's so maligned by the right. Does anyone actually doubt Bernie is a socialist?
His economic policies are the ones that seem to benefit the low-IQ, poor rural MAGA voters the most. But they don't look at the policies, they look at labels which in and of themselves lack informational content because they lack the intellectual capacity to parse out the signal from the noise -- which is how they got bamboozled in the first place into thinking Trump would bring down the pedo deep state, not that he is them.
Just objective observations by a European who has no horse in this race. I don't actually care if their lives get better, I kind of detest them for bringing us Trump twice.
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Wildebeest
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No offence but Harari is the popular guy who mostly talks bullshit not the person who teaches the real history. He presents his whacky ideas, without evidence, as being solid fact. When he talks you could categorize a lot of what he says as intended as being entertainment or bad science fiction.
Bojji
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Drugs and computer games? If games will have the same level of quality as we have now then "useless people" will start a revolution.
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Must be upset to go full referring to himself in the third person mode.
And yet he wasn't this quick to threaten legal action against Musk when Musk said he was in the files...
If he's so confident about winning a court case against a letter that indicates involvement, why isn't he so bold and confident about winning a case against a direct allegation of involvement?
Nocty
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The playbook of previous governments the world over when this kind of thing comes up is to distract us with war.
I would not be surprised if we get sudden and dramatic escalations from one or more of the global conflicts going on at the moment, so Trump can pull the wool over everyones eyes with 'more serious matters to attend to'
You can see it coming a mile off
I would not be surprised if we get sudden and dramatic escalations from one or more of the global conflicts going on at the moment, so Trump can pull the wool over everyones eyes with 'more serious matters to attend to'
You can see it coming a mile off
The_Observer
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Well, let's just agree to disagree. In my opinion none of them can be trusted and I have seen enough of Bernie as well to know what a corrupt person he is.
I can't believe we still have people who think like this after what we have been going through the last years. Good for you if you can still convince yourself that the world is normal.
Now that's a fair point!
Zero citations in his books, yes. And they're full of kooky, irrational stuff, like the chapter in Sapiens about Patriarchy.
E-Cat
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Sure. This is emblematic of (especially American, but) politics in general, where people can no longer agree on an objective set of things that are true. Not in the sense of "I have this right-leaning political opinion" and "you have this left-leaning political opinion", but that the universally accepted base facts that the ensuing political discourse, however vicious, should be based upon themselves become negotiable, malleable, dependent on one's own political bubble. The MSM is in large part to blame for this, eroding the common ground. Money in politics / special interests dictating what actions are taken means it becomes impossible to ascertain whether a given politicians' rhetoric matches up with their actual hidden agenda, and democracy becomes impossible. From my perspective, the problem is not that MAGA is not seeing that something is rotten in the beltway, but that they're failing to properly identify the rotten eggs because a naive, first-order surface take would seem to indicate the opposite of corruption, and they're not following the money trail. This is of course by design by the powers that be.
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ProtoByte
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Like I said, Trump hasn't done a full 180. But his disdain for the obsession around this topic comes from a mixture of things.
Ego: "Why aren't they focusing on all the winning I'm doing??"
Politics: This has now become a political hot potato.
Disclosure: The "odd" aspects around this that suggest intelligence ties are extremely complex and inside baseball. If Epstein was involved with intelligence directly or indirectly (and I think it would be best to use the word "informally"), it was for covert arms trading in the Middle East in the 80s. Stuff that the intel establishments of multiple countries (and you'd be surprised which ones would be involved) do not want to telegraph to their adversaries or to the wider public. There's a reason I said that post was already too long. Honestly, I don't expect many people would actually engage in all of that, but I'll link a very informative video on this at the end of the post.
Sorry Slimy and everyone who liked this post, but this and everything you said after it is wildly incorrect.
Anybody who knows anything about the Diddy case understands that Comey blew it big time and made the SDNY look stupid. She and her team overshot and whiffed on all the serious charges - the most serious 3 out of to be numerical. To be specific, Diddy was acquitted on both alleged counts sex trafficking and the RICO charge - after they dropped other charges mid trial.
The RICO was ridiculous on its face: How are you going to convict RICO with - singular sole defendant??
The charges he was convicted of don't even come with a minimum sentence. It is unlikely he spends more than 2 more years behind bars.
They were arrogant: Relying on the video where Diddy does in fact commit domestic assault and gross details of his proclivities (of which the jury saw non-public video of btw) to be enough to get a jury to convict on much more serious charges. Why didn't they charge him with domestic assault you ask? Because that would be up to state authorities, who were too late by the time the video came out. The statute of limitations had been expired for literally 5 years.
Doesn't help that she's a federal prosecutor under an admin that is politically opposed to her father. But it's a guarantee that irrespective of the admin, the SDNY office would've fired her anyway for the sheer embarrassment.
Elon's post was very stupid and manipulated the minds of people who don't understand language. Of course Trump is in "the files". Those files have been out for years. Ie the flight logs. There are likely 1000s of files and they will of course cover every high profile name that came into significant contact with any of this. "The files" =/= "the L I S T". I notice that even people here kind of flip between the two as if they're synonymous.
The way that they average podcaster has approached this topic makes me understand why some people think the internet should be restricted.
Andrew Schulz and his team are a crew full of idiots. Enjeti is a conspiratorial midwit. He's digging around and giving a surface level, impressionist picture, and obviously has a personal and/or financial agenda that tends towards "populism". Have your opinions, but be responsible if you're gonna put this shit out there and actually take it to the most plausible conclusion instead of "just asking questions" where there are some pretty well indicated answers instead of forming your conclusions and suggestions around your cursory glancing biases.
Again, I recommend listening to the much more concise and rigorous Mike Benz. <28 minutes instead of 2+ hours:
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
BlueAlpaca
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Truth means different things to different people. To the left of course truth is objective even after their socialist ideology destroyed entire countries, child mutilation is good and freedom of speech is evil. Try to be less obtuse and self-congratulatory and with a little self awareness you might understand the world a bit better.
E-Cat
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I live in Scandinavia, in the happiest country in the world. Socialism works just fine for us.
And, no, the truth is the truth, it does not have different meanings depending on who you are. "Socialism = good" is not what I mean by the "truth", as it is categorically an "opinion", and opinions are by definition not facts. I mean things like "the BBB will increase the debt by x dollars by 2035, yes or no". There is in fact an objective answer to that question, but it is not in everyone's interest to have an informed electorate.
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The_Observer
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That's why I am glad that at least on this particular sick and rotten issue every side can agree (well, unfortunately, not everyone, but the majority). Maybe this will be the start for healing as a society. It shouldn't be like this, but it is what it is…
DeafTourette
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True: several bankruptcies
True: loans from Deutsch Bank that he still hasn't paid back
True: he was successfully sued for taking money from the Trump charity
True: successfully sued for his fraudulent Trump University
This is a small list... There's MUCH more.
This is not someone who should be trusted.
Hugare
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This is 100% going to happen
This is exactly what Brazil's president, Lula, is doing right now. He is focusing on an external dispute with Trump so he can gain popularity internaly while ignoring internal scandals. Trump has an ego, so he cant shut up and ends up giving more material to Lula.
It's proven that external conflicts help decreasing presidents rejection rates. Cause it boosts nationalism.
Some huge scandal is coming to make everyone forget about the Epstein stuff.
The_Observer
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Yuval Noah Harari is closely associated with Klaus Schwab who was the head of WEF until recently. It doesn't really get anymore "elite" than that. Kooky? Yes it is. They are.
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