There is no Epstein Client List
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Buggy Loop
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What do you mean? Children gangbang in the sewers isn't the first thing that pop in your mind when it comes to defeating a monster ? /s
gradient
Resident Cheap Arse
Unfortunately, you're probably right.
Total abandonment of rational thought and critical thinking and willing to completely 180 on even the things they've been most vocal about on command.
Morally pliable, mindlessly obedient and compliant with whatever their leader says. It's a cult.
That was a bit of a bizarre scene, but it was kids with kids, so not (technically) pedophilia, I think, in that context. PLENTY of very well respected authors have underaged characters having sex.
As a teen when I read it, I TOTALLY hoped my friend group would eventually include a girl into that kind of bonding experience
If writing something on a work of fiction is indicative of anything, then i don't want to know shit about Pasolini private life, or about Jeff Lindsay.
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
He could very well be on the socalled list, but this is a bad take IMO
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Poppinfresh
Gold Member
I'm probably a bit further to the liberty-minded right than most MAGA people but I'll answer this anyway.
I don't give a single sh*t about the Epstein list being releaesd. Never have, never will.
I'm far more concerned about my tax dollars going to arm Ukraine (something I'm against) and Trump's attacks on actual conservatives like Thomas Massie. Both of those will get me to abandon support of the administration faster than not releasing the list.
That said, I think the Trump Administration is handling the Epstein debacle in the worst way possible. It would have been far better to just say something like "After careful consideration, we've decided not to release the list because of national security issues" or something similar, instead of trying to gaslight people into thinking it's a hoax.
The fact that the full Epstein information that was going to be released hasn't been leaked yet tells me that whatever the information is, it's probably not all that damaging to Trump or his Administration. Otherwise, someone left-leaning with access to it would have leaked it. It's probably far more damaging to the left than it is to the right. But that's just a hunch on my part.
Finally, if the Administration is going to go down this road of "it's a hoax" then Ghislaine Maxwell needs to be released from prison immediately. You can't jail someone for a hoax, can you?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It honestly does feel like that, there's gonna be something else next week and this news will start taking the backseat.
This is why even though I am not a far leftist and I can't stand the SJW crowd I never got behind Trump. My parents know people who worked with him in Atlantic City and not a single one has a positive word to say. He is as sleazy as they come. It is an indictment of the far left though that he is still a better option to many people than what they offer.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It's just as damaging to the right.
Did you not see how Republicans UNIFORMLY voted against it being released? How Trump , who ran on releasing it (along with Patel, Bondi and bongino) are NOW saying it isn't real and that Democrats wrote it which means there was no crime ...
That points to Trump and Republicans being implicated.
Toons
Member
Been trying to say all the signaling about "woke" this and "DEI" from the grifters on yoruhe and Twitter is meaningless. A distraction. Designed to rot your brain.
Now here we are snd these same gtifters are following along in the coverup.
Some people are more easily fooled than I would've hoped for.
Toons
Member
Bet you this guy was complaining about being "forced" to wear masks. Now he's giving orders.
SpiceRacz
Member
He's being sarcastic.
Mistake
Member
Bro, what the hell are you talking about? This topic was basically forced into conversation by the right and has been in their news circles for years now. I haven't seen a single person who isn't upset with how this has been handled. You talk about cults, but your take is as ignorant as it gets
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Rien
Jelly Belly
It was being sarcastic. Dave Smith is a solid guy overall imo.
The Sum of Zero
Member
So that explains the spin from the spineless influencers
If only this would seal it, but some people still twist their panties in incredible ways to defend it.
A few in this thread, even. I kinda want to know their secret. Is it drugs? If it helps divorce you that much from reality, I need some of that shit lol.
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12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
I don't think that is that same dave smith from legion of skanks unless there is another dave smith?
DreamcastSkies
Gold Member
I think this whole moment is the start of post Trump politics. You may be right in suspecting it won't cause that many of his supporters to dissent but I think it's clear Trump fatigue and disillusion (even among his supporters) is here to stay and will increase. There was talk about a third Trump term. I think this moment in time will put a stop to that. I heard Tucker Carlson give a speech. It sounded like giving a platform someone would run on for a presidential election. Whether you love him or hate him, I think Trump fatigue is real and we're entering a post-Trump political landscape.
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DreamcastSkies
Gold Member
I'll catch hell for this but I do agree with you. I'm not a blind lover or hater of anyone. I'm not trying to defend Trump or paint him as someone who doesn't make mistakes. I'm not saying rallying up his base with some implied Epstein list disclosure didn't occur. But are we positive there is some neatly organized easy to understand document chronicling the names of individuals who went to that island over the years AND lists what crimes they comitted?
Trump is learning when your campaign is fueled by anger against the elites and promises of some sort of retribution, you might lose your support from that same fuel.
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Kenneth Haight
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Hypernormalisation
HyperNormalisation - Wikipedia
hypernormalization was a term first coined by historian Alexei Yurchak in his 2005 book Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More: The Last Soviet Generation. In it, Yurchak described the paradox of living in the Soviet Union before its dissolution in 1991, when everyone knew the system was failing, but since no one could imagine a possible alternative to the status quo, politicians and citizens alike were resigned to maintaining the pretense of a functioning society. Sound familiar?
Great documentary and well worth watching
Toons
Member
Well that's good. It's hard to tell on Twitter these days. My bad
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
Nobody thinks there is a actual bullet point list that says Obama likes 13 year old brunettes with a penchant for toe sucking..
"List" is shorthand for the information that the government hasn't released regarding Epstein's clients.
Sushi_Combo
Member
Replace boss with "King"
Hilarious watching the far right scramble on this.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
*Assuming it exists.
Technically, they did release a list, though it was already out there: The flight logs.
She was desperate to feed the very online MAGA base (as a lot of people in the admin are) and very imprecise with her words.
Frustration with Bondi’s Epstein fumble grows beyond MAGA
The attorney general irked the online right, and some of her own colleagues, by citing a “client list” that she now says didn’t exist.
www.semafor.com
>"The list? There was no list ever on her desk, because there is no list. That was a sensationalized thing. Why did she say that? I don't know," one administration official told Semafor. "She's the one that's been continuously overpromising for months."
>"My response was, 'it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed,' meaning the [Epstein] file along with the JFK, MLK files as well," Bondi said. "That's what I meant by that."
Wrong. Maxwell is in prison for trafficking minors to Epstein. And conspiring to do so with Epstein. The people who have claimed grand conspiracy as alleged victims were not and are not credible.
It's only sus if you don't do the reading. Which I understand most people don't do, like the clowns who are lol'ing at my posts without actually addressing the real evidence.
Again, I ask you, Gymwolf; where does your idea about a massive blackmail network actually come from? This is genuine, because I can provide evidence to back up what I'm saying.
El Muerto
Member
There was Epstein's little black book that was evidence during the Maxwell trial. It was uncertain if these were actual clients or just people Epstein wanted to meet. Some folks on there "claim" they never met Epstein.
Jeffrey Epstein's Little Black Book REDACTED | DocumentCloud
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Dr_Ifto
Member
That reads like a rolodex. Doesnt explain anything. I would assume that Trump wanted to release something, but they really dont have a list that MAGA wants. One never existed.There was Epstein's little black book that was evidence during the Maxwell trial. It was uncertain if these were actual clients or just people Epstein wanted to meet. Some folks on there "claim" they never met Epstein.
Jeffrey Epstein's Little Black Book REDACTED | DocumentCloud
Ain't NOBODY talking about a "Trump third term" except smooth brain leftists that really think an 80+ year old guy is gonna become a God-Emperor and rule for a thousand years if AOC doesn't run against him in 2028. Good grief.
GymWolf
Gold Member
I'm from italy so i honestly only look up news for the us here on gaf and some other foreign forums, i don't really dig that much.*Assuming it exists.
Technically, they did release a list, though it was already out there: The flight logs.
She was desperate to feed the very online MAGA base (as a lot of people in the admin are) and very imprecise with her words.
Frustration with Bondi’s Epstein fumble grows beyond MAGA
The attorney general irked the online right, and some of her own colleagues, by citing a “client list” that she now says didn’t exist.
>"The list? There was no list ever on her desk, because there is no list. That was a sensationalized thing. Why did she say that? I don't know," one administration official told Semafor. "She's the one that's been continuously overpromising for months."
>"My response was, 'it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed,' meaning the [Epstein] file along with the JFK, MLK files as well," Bondi said. "That's what I meant by that."
Wrong. Maxwell is in prison for trafficking minors to Epstein. And conspiring to do so with Epstein. The people who have claimed grand conspiracy as alleged victims were not and are not credible.
It's only sus if you don't do the reading. Which I understand most people don't do, like the clowns who are lol'ing at my posts without actually addressing the real evidence.
Again, I ask you, Gymwolf; where does your idea about a massive blackmail network actually come from? This is genuine, because I can provide evidence to back up what I'm saying.
I'm not really into politics in general.
So you think it's all an overblown charade?
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Maybe there's not an actual list, but a motivated team of investigators should be able to piece together a substantial report on who was a regular client of Epstein's.
That's what bothers me, there should be an ongoing investigation into finding out who were his clients and prosecuting them, but there doesn't appear to be an active investigation. I've watched true crime shows where people robbed a bank for $6,000 and were hunted down to the ends of the earth. But an ongoing Jeffrey Epstein investigation? Doesn't appear to be one.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Trump himself floated the idea and we've seen interviews of his followers stating they're all for it.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Tripling down w/ insults towards any of his supporters who believe it's real. Has renamed it "the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax."
LMBO!!! He's ... More of a delusional man child than I could ever imagine!
This sort of gaslighting strategy was effective for previous scandals, but I don't think it's going to work this time.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I suppose we'll see. There are already folks doing mental gymnastics trying to square the two narratives.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Yeah, this is terrible and pretty much the end for Trump. I think his administration wanted to release the files but got "It's what it is" talk from the people who are really in charge.
Not to mention GRRM said "it is done, just had to split the book into two" back when ADWD was released....in 2011.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Just part of it. There's believed to be other documents with names and dates and other incriminating details
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
I'm terrified that they're going to cherry pick a handful of innocuous documents and release those as "the entire list". Depending on how the media plays ball, people might end up believing that.
I'm terrified that we'll eventually be at a point where people are arguing whether or not there ever was a "real list". Because at this point, Trump is backed into a corner (and I think even he realizes that), and there seems to be a 0% chance he's going to allow the full list to be released. Whether it's because he's detailed in it, or because some of his friends/benefactors are, who knows.
It feels like all of his societal deception and deflection has culminated to this point, and I'm genuinely worried that those news cycle playbooks will work, even for something this serious.
It sickens me to think that the only way we'll ever get truth about this is if a Wikileaks kind of scenario happens.
The only silver lining to this current scenario (and I use that term loosely) is that for the first time in what feels like forever, the left and the right can genuinely agree on something in the public eye and find common ground. That's the type of strength and power we need right now.
Yeah, for one brief, special moment before we're all at each other's throats again!
demigod
Member
Damn Adam, making fun of your king now?
Too late, they got conned. He's already the president.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
My king? Bruh .. no.
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