There is no Epstein Client List

Aaight look here's what I wrote. yawl tell me if I'm good enough and I'll write some entirely different shit and record it.

yo yo

Politicians use Jeffrey as a tool, listen,
Don't be fooled, examine how the system failed the victims.
Operation Leap Year, sat stupid on bleachers,
While money‑bags Jeffrey stole students from teachers.
FBI ignored this creep to appease their donors,
and Palm Beach police shrugged shoulders
over affidavits and folders, prostituted for secrets
locked inside non‑prosecution agreement.
Acosta signed immunity with impunity,
Between you and me, his office? a toxic community.
Thirteen months "work release," a laughable time,
pedophile on vacation committing capital crimes
funneled grants to MIT to develop rep
professors kissed the ring for the predators check.
CIA only ever had it together
when treating that bastard like a national treasure
 
Vestal said:
This should all be done by a special counsel. This will just feed the conspiracies further.
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Like I said earlier, nothing will be good enough. No matter what they release, it will satisfy nobody.

I am still at the edge of my seat. Can't wait to see what happens next.
 
JayK47 said:
Like I said earlier, nothing will be good enough. No matter what they release, it will satisfy nobody.

I am still at the edge of my seat. Can't wait to see what happens next.
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It's like the JFK "files", 9/11 "files", moon landing "files", or anything else. They have been so built up and mythologized that ANYTHING won't be enough for everyone. Trump could drop a giant stack of documents and vids from epstein's island that implicate half of congress and hollywood but if he wasn't the main star then most of you guys would keep on screaming that he redated himself.

Most likely the stuff they have is entirely circumstantial, it's not like they have dna evidence from rape kits, so it's all reliant on witnesses to push a DA to prosecute and hopefully get a jury to convict. But if all those witness refuse to testify or have enough issues to be "unreliable", then that's why Ghislaine coming forward is so important, so she can connect dots for a jury even if the girls are not there. So if she helps bag 5-10 guys, but NOT Trump, then half of y'all would be like, "fuck her, let her rot and those 5-10 guys can stay free if trump ain't in jail with them". That's TDS in a nutshell.
 
jason10mm said:
That's TDS in a nutshell.
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You don't think it's arguing in bad faith if your defense mostly lies in the "the other side is probably nuts and interpreting this wrong"? I would think there's enough tools in the toolbox to use without having to reach for the "but they're crazy" tool. What you said is addressing the strawman of a TDS addled liberal, not addressing the merits that the real people in this thread bring up.
 
Child pornography = jail time
Actual rich child molestors = no jail time

Trump is getting off scot-free.

I wonder how Amir0x feels about this.
 
Rentahamster said:
You don't think it's arguing in bad faith if your defense mostly lies in the "the other side is probably nuts and interpreting this wrong"? I would think there's enough tools in the toolbox to use without having to reach for the "but they're crazy" tool. What you said is addressing the strawman of a TDS addled liberal, not addressing the merits that the real people in this thread bring up.
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How is it bad faith? The "other side" had FOUR DAMNED YEARS to sift through the evidence, make a case against trump that didn't bring in any other 'conspirators', and then go after LITERAL HITLER.

But........nothing. Nadda, zip. Fuck all zero. The ONLY way that happens is there is squat for evidence against Trump. So either he covered his tracks better than everyone else or he WASN'T THERE. Occams razor suggests that Trump wasn't there rather than he played better than everyone else.
 
jason10mm said:
But........nothing. Nadda, zip. Fuck all zero. The ONLY way that happens is there is squat for evidence against Trump. So either he covered his tracks better than everyone else or he WASN'T THERE. Occams razor suggests that Trump wasn't there rather than he played better than everyone else.
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OR, maybe they didn't release it because it also heavily implicates higher ups in the dems too, so rather than shout about it, they kept shush. Meanwhile Trump ran on releasing the files, many high profile MAGA accounts went on the attack, blasting the media about getting the files released and now that they can't redact as much as they like, they're pretending it never even happened and wasn't a thing at all, actually, it's Obama's fault!

And just for the record, I don't care how many on the Left or Right are on the list, get them out there, if it causes a "collapse" in the system, then so be it, the fact that we're at this point in society where mega rich and influential pedos are "needed" to keep the status quo is some serious fall of Rome shit.
 
jason10mm said:
It's like the JFK "files", 9/11 "files", moon landing "files", or anything else. They have been so built up and mythologized that ANYTHING won't be enough for everyone. Trump could drop a giant stack of documents and vids from epstein's island that implicate half of congress and hollywood but if he wasn't the main star then most of you guys would keep on screaming that he redated himself.

Most likely the stuff they have is entirely circumstantial, it's not like they have dna evidence from rape kits, so it's all reliant on witnesses to push a DA to prosecute and hopefully get a jury to convict. But if all those witness refuse to testify or have enough issues to be "unreliable", then that's why Ghislaine coming forward is so important, so she can connect dots for a jury even if the girls are not there. So if she helps bag 5-10 guys, but NOT Trump, then half of y'all would be like, "fuck her, let her rot and those 5-10 guys can stay free if trump ain't in jail with them". That's TDS in a nutshell.
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if she can help bag 5-10 guys, all registered democrats, that's great. Unlike what a lot of conservatives like to project, not everyone is a political hack that is more loyal to their side over their own sense of ethics. In fact, most democrats fucking hate democrats

By this point it doesn't even matter for him if he even releases the files, everyone knows he is a pedophile. Pardoning a convicted sex child traffickers is a winning move for him right now, that's how fucking bad it is.

If it was just money laundering he would just divulge his implication and nobody would care. Everybody knows he's a pedophile and it'll follow him for the rest of his presidency and he still won't release it. The only way out of this mess is some deep state cop out BS explanation.
 
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demigod said:
Child pornography = jail time
Actual rich child molestors = no jail time

Trump is getting off scot-free.

I wonder how Amir0x feels about this.
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star wars GIF
 
jason10mm said:
How is it bad faith? The "other side" had FOUR DAMNED YEARS to sift through the evidence
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You still on the democrats?

Did the democrats deny a motion to release the list? Did the democrats say it didn't exist? Did the democrats say it was a Trump hoax? Did the democrats offer ghislane immunity and negotiate with her? Are the democrats currently eyeing pardoning her?

It ain't "TDS" to point out this stuff that TRUMP is doing.
 
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Toons said:
You still on the democrats?

Did the democrats deny a motion to release the list? Did the democrats say it didn't exist? Did the democrats say it was a Trump hoax? Did the democrats offer ghislane immunity and negotiate with her? Are the democrats currently eyeing pardoning her?

It ain't "TDS" to point out this stuff that TRUMP is doing.
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They said nothing about it because they don't want to imprison pedos, they just want to jail Trump.

And the "Epstein files" don't help them do that.
 
EviLore said:
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Balls deep into it. He knows it, we know, everyone knows it. The question is why did he campaign on it, if I were Trump, which luckily I'm not, I would not run on the hopes that I'm not a pedophile. And he is. The sitting president of the United States, the largest country in the world, is a pedophile. May whatever Matrix overlord have mercy on our soul, because we badly need it.
 
jason10mm said:
How is it bad faith? The "other side" had FOUR DAMNED YEARS to sift through the evidence, make a case against trump that didn't bring in any other 'conspirators', and then go after LITERAL HITLER.

But........nothing. Nadda, zip. Fuck all zero. The ONLY way that happens is there is squat for evidence against Trump. So either he covered his tracks better than everyone else or he WASN'T THERE. Occams razor suggests that Trump wasn't there rather than he played better than everyone else.
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Occams razor suggests
  • The person for whom the most evidence exists of a direct, close relationship to Epstein, inlcuding pictures, video, recorded statements, and documentation
  • Who was in power when Epstein mysteriously got ended
  • Who has made the most blatant and obvious attempt to cover up the crimes and entire thing declaring it doesn't exist
  • Who then contradicted that and claiming it's all just a conspiracy made up by his political enemies, but never acted on, which completely contradicts the conspiracy narrative you're trying to paint
  • Who then tried to gaslight his own base telling them they were bad people and he didn't want them anymore if they didn't stop talking about it
is on the list. The simplest solution is not the one which requires you to ignore all evidence of your eyes and ears and bend logic to extremes in order to create theories that contradict even the very thing that Trump himself is saying.

You avoided this pages back but have still been trying to push the same narrative ever since, so I'll post it again

gradient said:
"Files written by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the Losers and Criminals of the Biden Administration, who conned the World with the Russia, Russia, Russia Hoax, 51 "Intelligence" Agents, "THE LAPTOP FROM HELL," and more? They created the Epstein Files, just like they created the FAKE Hillary Clinton/Christopher Steele Dossier that they used on me"

Why would he have his administration claim there are no files but then go on to claim there are files, but they were created by his opponents to get him, but never used to get him?
You say they relentlessly attacked him and threw everything they had at him, but didn't use the files he says they fabricated in order to attack him? by your own logic, that doesn't make any sense. He is contradicting your argument.
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SlyDoughnut said:
They didn't control the House or Supreme Court, they followed rules of law and Biden never acted like a King
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To be fair the only thing Biden did was acting. I get that he looks a lot better then he did now that Trump is wrecking the place but Biden gaslighted the whole world for 4 years that his mental health was great and he even made it worse by running again and ruining the change for a good candidate.
It's also thanks to him that the USA is in this mess.
Maybe he didn't act like a king but he sure acted like a joker to me.

All it shows is that the USA is politically bankrupt just like a lot of other western countries. The Netherlands isn't that much better tbh. Clowns everywhere
 
jason10mm said:
How is it bad faith? The "other side" had FOUR DAMNED YEARS to sift through the evidence, make a case against trump that didn't bring in any other 'conspirators', and then go after LITERAL HITLER.

But........nothing. Nadda, zip. Fuck all zero. The ONLY way that happens is there is squat for evidence against Trump. So either he covered his tracks better than everyone else or he WASN'T THERE. Occams razor suggests that Trump wasn't there rather than he played better than everyone else.
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Or maybe the Clinton's names where all over it alongside the orange cunt therefore they'd be shooting themselves in the foot going after trump so best to just bury the lot..
 
IlGialloMondadori said:
No one gives a shit if Clinton is named. People would celebrate. Good, fuck him, off to jail you bastard.
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All everyone of any political persuasion wants is the pedos to either be put against the wall or locked up and the key threw away, I don't give a shit if it's Clinton, Trump or that nonce "prince" Andrew, nobody should be getting away with abusing kids
 
DragoonKain said:
You can't let her out of prison just for releasing names. For one, you'd have to corroborate it with evidence. She could list any names, it doesn't mean she's not making shit up. Two, even if they were accurate, it's useless without getting convictions, which would be incredibly difficult. You typically only give people deals when it leads to other convictions. You don't just let monsters out of prison for information that doesn't lead to anything.

And frankly, this isn't about the public. This is about the victims. I care far more about anyone who fucked kids being punished than I do me learning about the information publicly. And letting this monster out of prison without securing more convictions for more child sex abusers is the ultimate slap in the face to every victim this crazy bitch manipulated, sexually assaulted, molested, and trafficked.
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If you want to see others brought to judgment getting her cooperation is probably vital. The reality of the law is that the record dump everyone wants to see will just muck up reputations unless someone can and will testify as to the allegations in the records.

The documents themselves are hearsay if offered to prove the truth of the contents therein. Ie, they won't be admissible unless they meet an exception to the hearsay rule. The government will absolutely need testimony to go after other people. Without her who would possibly testify and actually matter when they do?
 
NickFire said:
If you want to see others brought to judgment getting her cooperation is probably vital. The reality of the law is that the record dump everyone wants to see will just muck up reputations unless someone can and will testify as to the allegations in the records.

The documents themselves are hearsay if offered to prove the truth of the contents therein. Ie, they won't be admissible unless they meet an exception to the hearsay rule. The government will absolutely need testimony to go after other people. Without her who would possibly testify and actually matter when they do?
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Yeah, that really credible testimony from a notorious pedophile and liar desperate to get out of jail after they met with a friend and lawyer who is friends and ex lawyer of a guy who was good friends with said pedophile and her pedophile friend and is terrified that he is incriminated.
 
SlyDoughnut said:
They didn't control the House or Supreme Court, they followed rules of law and Biden never acted like a King.
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So? Congress isnt a court of law and the Supreme Court wouldn't be where you file this type of case anyway. Do have been the remotest idea how these thing work?

Histamine was tried and convicted in the STATE of New York. Alllllllll the evidence against her was seen by the prosecutors and the defense teams. Alllll that evidence was collected by DOZENS of cops, agents, and investigators who had to get warrants signed by judges, stuff was cataloged by admin folk, and alllll of these people have supervisors.

So in all of that, in the STATE of New York, and NO ONE gets named in this other than epstein.

There are only 2 conclusions that can be drawn from that data.

A. It was pretty much mostly epstein and anyone else had limited, circumstantial, evidence that wouldn't hold up in court or no victim would testify against.

B. It is ENTIRELLY possible to excise out all the terrible, horrible, incriminating video, audio, and victim witness statements about all sorts of people, including Trump, such that NONE OF IT ever gets leaked.

Therefore it is only logical to conclude that Trump ain't in those files in any way that could convict him because otherwise during all those impeachment hearings, all those 'felony' trials, and he's 'getting away with it' time and time again, securing the rnc nom, crushing the election, not ONCE did anyone drop a tape of Trump railing a teen, or audio of him and epstein comparing conquests, or a witness statement get leaked.

All we get are these heresy statements about on the level of 'Obama has a secret Muslim code on his wedding ring' ridiculousness.

And now y'all want him to go to jail so badly you would rather Ghislain serve out another 10 years in prison than at least SOME of these other pesos go to jail, even if Trump doesn't.

Just take a good long look at what means in whatever moral code you have.
 
IlGialloMondadori said:
Yeah, that really credible testimony from a notorious pedophile and liar desperate to get out of jail after they met with a friend and lawyer who is friends and ex lawyer of a guy who was good friends with said pedophile and her pedophile friend and is terrified that he is incriminated.
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Snark is fine but how about substance?

Who will ever face trial in the absence of testimony when evidence rules are in play?
 
NickFire said:
Snark is fine but how about substance?

Who will ever face trial in the absence of testimony when evidence rules are in play?
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What about victims - interview them, gather more data, investigate. What about using the data they already have to investigate people they believe to have been involved, and charge them if necessary? What about the vast amounts of money flow - follow and investigate that, and learn what they can?
 
IlGialloMondadori said:
What about victims - interview them, gather more data, investigate. What about using the data they already have to investigate people they believe to have been involved, and charge them if necessary? What about the vast amounts of money flow - follow and investigate that, and learn what they can?
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Victims if they're known and talk sure, but that clock has been ticking and id guess they (who are known) don't have much to offer at this point.

Money flow is irrelevant without testimony. Involved people will all invoke right to keep mouths shut.

Point is the viewing audience won't be able to get justice for anyone without someone testifying. There's a reason why organized crime typically needed rats to be taken down. This won't be different.
 
Vestal said:
Ahh yes, the famous word play. What does it matter? Just release the files, simple. Let the light shine over all of it and the chips fall where they may.
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Yes, I agree. Release the entire files. Trump will be completely exonerated, Bill Clinton visited the island 27 or 28 times depending on the source
 
Honestly not sure MAGA will take ghislane at her word even if she tries to clear Trump. Thats still not actually producing a list. We were promised a list.
 
Toons said:
Honestly not sure MAGA will take ghislane at her word even if she tries to clear Trump. Thats still not actually producing a list. We were promised a list.
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I think if she gives up a few names while exonerating him, people would be more than happy to move on from this and look the other way. That's the level of depravity we are dealing with, unfortunately
 
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