There is no Epstein Client List

Some stuff I found online, in case anyone was curious:

1. Photos of the inside of his plane The Lolita Express: https://nypost.com/2021/11/30/insid...-jet-allegedly-used-to-fly-underage-girls/#24

2. Photos of inside the Zorro Ranch: https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/49-Zorro-Ranch-Rd_Stanley_NM_87056_M10521-23381

3. Photos inside of the Herbert N. Straus House: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/05/us/jeffrey-epstein-mansion-photos.html

4. Drone footage of Little St John island:


5. Video footage inside of the Florida mansion:






Surprising how much information is publicly available online

edit: Inside of the Paris apartment: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/7994670/epstein-paris-apartment-raped-underage-girls/
 
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If powerful people don't want anything to come out of this, it won't. But at least we got to learn a little bit about MAGA in terms of where they draw their red lines. It's not insurrection, fraud, quid pro quo, self enrichment, nepotism, sexual assault, overthrowing democracy, fascism, no, the lines seem to be vaccines and pedophelia. As long as Republicans can steer clear of these topics they can basically do what they want.
 
Willing to bet those just now getting into this is going to be just as disappointed as they are with Russiagatehoax, the 3rd world banana republic lawfare, and the two assassination attempts attempted on this man. I've never met such a "vile political figure" who's popularity has only grown overtime, lol.
TDS is one hell of a drug...
 
Brazen said:
Willing to bet those just now getting into this is going to be just as disappointed as they are with Russiagatehoax, the 3rd world banana republic lawfare, and the two assassination attempts attempted on this man. I've never met such a "vile political figure" who's popularity has only grown overtime, lol.
TDS is one hell of a drug...
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'We're gonna release the files!'

'Then release the files'

'Arrrgh TDS!'
 
Hero of Spielberg said:
'We're gonna release the files!'

'Then release the files'

'Arrrgh TDS!'
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What makes you think I don't want the files released?
I'm not the Department of Justice and I don't give into the media's tinfoilery, people should have learned that lesson about a half a dozen times over this one man alone...
 
Hero of Spielberg said:
Hopefully we get to find out, because at the moment Trump is doing everything in his power to stop 'the story' coming out.
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Hopefully we get the truth.
But it will be through thousands of people at the federal level over years/decade of work we get that truth.
Not Donald Trump as some here (and the oligarchy-controlled national/global propaganda media) want everyone else to believe in the moment.
 
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Brazen said:
Hopefully we get the truth.
But it will be through thousands of people at the federal level over years/decade of work we get that truth.
Not Donald Trump as some here (and the oligarchy-controlled national/global propaganda media) want everyone else to believe in the moment.
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Probably not a great idea to have members of your party parading folders around claiming they will release the files then. Because now he's made it look like he's covering it up …
 
Hero of Spielberg said:
Probably not a great idea to have members of your party parading folders around claiming they will release the files then. Because now he's made it look like he's covering it up …
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Or he could be held up by somebody incompetent on staff. Or there could be a legit intelligence hold up we have no knowledge of.
However if the theory is Donald Trump as the mastermind coverup, we should be getting leaks/whistleblowers with the details.
 
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Brazen said:
Or he could be held up by somebody incompetent on staff. Or there could be a legit intelligence hold up we have no knowledge of.
If it's Donald Trump is the mastermind coverup, we should be getting leaks/whistleblowers with the details.
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Then he should probably say that instead of saying it's a hoax.

It doesn't matter anyway. Whatever came out even if he was implicated I'm sure you'd have some defence for him.
 
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Hero of Spielberg said:
It doesn't matter anyway. Whatever came out even if he was implicated I'm sure you'd have some defence for him.
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I'm not defending him. I just not going a long with a narrative unless I know the exact detail(s) or at least ones that have plausibility.
The Trump superman coverup theory is just lol imo. Especially when currently involves so many more people than Trump.
 
Brazen said:
Hopefully we get the truth.
But it will be through thousands of people at the federal level over years/decade of work we get that truth.
Not Donald Trump as some here (and the oligarchy-controlled national/global propaganda media) want everyone else to believe in the moment.
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the only reason Epstein was ever charged with his crimes was because of a local journalist in Florida.
thousands of people at the federal level ... lmao
 
ntropy said:
the only reason Epstein was ever charged with his crimes was because of a local journalist in Florida.
thousands of people at the federal level ... lmao
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Yes the Epstein case could have thousands of eyes on it if it involved intelligence, investigations, and ultimately going to courts, etc There's a process here that considers more than just the start and it's end will be more than one man "covering it up."
Not too mention Epstein's connections and all the theories behind his web, those who funded him, those who were victims potentially involves maybe not thousands but certainly hundreds.
 
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...that more than likely not this story is going to be very disappointing to some here. Just giving my two cents, that is allowed.
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Don't worry, we know we'll never see the files, I mean, just look at your posts:sleep:.

This thread is really talking about the lengths his supporters will go to in order to defend a demagogue that protects pedophiles
 
12Goblins said:
Don't worry, we know we'll never see the files, I mean, just look at your posts:sleep:.

This thread is really talking about the lengths his supporters will go to in order to defend a demagogue that protects pedophiles
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Was curious why people blindly follow demagogues and con men, and CharGPT gave a pretty solid answer, which now makes me have a bit more sympathy for the folks he's been able to string along:

Here are the main drivers:

1. Emotional resonance over facts

Demagogues usually frame problems in simple, emotionally charged ways. Fear, anger, pride, and resentment are powerful motivators, and they can override critical thinking.

Emotional appeals also feel more certain than nuanced, complex explanations.


2. Identity and belonging

People often tie their political or social views to their self-image and in-group identity. If a leader speaks to that identity, supporting them feels like defending who they are, not just what they think.

Once tied to an identity, opposing the leader can feel like betraying "your people."


3. Cognitive shortcuts and biases

Confirmation bias: Accepting information that fits prior beliefs and rejecting contradictions.

Authority bias: Tendency to assume someone in power knows more.

Illusory truth effect: Repetition makes a claim feel true, even if false.


4. Fear of uncertainty

In chaotic or threatening times, people may value a leader who offers clear, confident answers—even if they're wrong—over a more truthful but uncertain message.


5. Social pressure and echo chambers

If friends, family, or the media sources someone trusts all repeat the same ideas, dissent can be costly socially.

Isolation from dissenting voices reinforces loyalty.


6. Charismatic manipulation

Many demagogues use storytelling, symbolism, and performative confidence to appear both relatable and powerful—making them seem like a rare "savior" figure.


7. Gradual escalation

Often, loyalty is built step-by-step. Small agreements and compromises over time make people less likely to question bigger, more extreme claims later.
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Hot5pur said:
Was curious why people blindly follow demagogues and con men, and CharGPT gave a pretty solid answer, which now makes me have a bit more sympathy for the folks he's been able to string along:
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So you asked an AI to give you a bullet point version of the AI Patriots speech from the end of MGS2.
 
12Goblins said:
Don't worry, we know we'll never see the files, I mean, just look at your posts:sleep:.

This thread is really talking about the lengths his supporters will go to in order to defend a demagogue that protects pedophiles
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Yes, pretty sure nobody knows what the "files" even are and/or what will come of it.
My post show that the Epstein case is more than one man, or department, or even more than one administration for that matter.
And that the Bond Villain narrative presented here in this thread is just another TDS fantasy of "we'll get him this time."
 
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Brazen said:
Willing to bet those just now getting into this is going to be just as disappointed as they are with Russiagatehoax, the 3rd world banana republic lawfare, and the two assassination attempts attempted on this man. I've never met such a "vile political figure" who's popularity has only grown overtime, lol.
TDS is one hell of a drug...
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What's the Russiagatehoax ?
 
Hero of Spielberg said:
Then he should probably say that instead of saying it's a hoax.
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This. The idea that there is "TDS" over these files when Trump himself is the one who campaigned on them and he hand picked people who guaranteed they would be released is laughable at best. But it's also not surprising, MAGA is as wishy washy as Trump himself. Of course once it seemed like there might be bad stuff for Trump in there, the Epstein files became a waste of time and fake news written by Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

Hero of Spielberg said:
It doesn't matter anyway. Whatever came out even if he was implicated I'm sure you'd have some defence for him.
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Of course they would. Look at how easily they were manipulated when it comes to the 2020 election. There is nothing the files could say Trump did that most of his fanatics would not hand wave away. He's more worried about is legacy and his shot at a Nobel peace prize.
 
Bumblebeetuna said:
This. The idea that there is "TDS" [...] is laughable
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It's not really laughable. More accurately, its just not an argument but more an unfalsifiable faith based claim. You see the effects of that on the people that use this kind of term. It's pretty much a religion. Facts can change, entire positions can change at will to fit whatever you need and all you have to say to critics is "TDS." You can plug this response into any argument and there's no way to prove if it's true or false to the cult member. Critics can say it's false and they don't have a derangement syndrome, but that just proves it even more to the person who uses this line of thinking. 8 years of repeating non-arguments means they haven't been using critical thinking or evidence based statements for 8 years; and for many its been longer than that through religious fundamentalism and other cults training them for obedience. It's pretty similar to Scientology; critics are evil because they have bad energy from a past life or some shit. You can dismiss anyone and anything, even family. Just repeat it over and over and you don't have to even think. It atrophies their brain because there's no way to engage with it, to learn new information, or to prove it false. They literally need cult deprogramming and have to slowly relearn how to have evidence based discussions and it usually takes years.
 
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Bumblebeetuna said:
This. The idea that there is "TDS" over these files when Trump himself is the one who campaigned on them and he hand picked people who guaranteed they would be released is laughable at best.
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I've been following the Epstein case since Trump's first term. There isn't TDS over these files, this is a misunderstanding, there's TDS over the new narrative/villain of these files.

People keep going back to when Trump said it was a hoax as if that is proof of anything when it isn't. At all...
Why? Because the simple more likely reason is he overpromised during campaigning (because no politician ever overpromises something right?) and when in office, realizing the goods are no where to be found, no whistleblowers, no intelligence, no federal case worker in the FBI/DoJ is coming forward... So after being brieft he calls it a hoax because he also says there's nothing there. And when he says "nothing there" it's assumed nothing beyond what's not already know to the public.

Now I believe there is waaaaaaay more there and hopefully we get to know what exactly it all entails. But there could be a multitude of reasons why we don't know anything more and the TDS narrative doesn't even makes sense when you think about it.
 
Probably best not to ever listen to what the Mueller she wrote podcast is saying in the current year. I can't believe they even kept the name.
 
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Punished Miku said:
It's not really laughable. More accurately, its just not an argument but more an unfalsifiable faith based claim. You see the effects of that on the people that use this kind of term. It's pretty much a religion. Facts can change, entire positions can change at will to fit whatever you need and all you have to say to critics is "TDS." You can plug this response into any argument and there's no way to prove if it's true or false to the cult member. Critics can say it's false and they don't have a derangement syndrome, but that just proves it even more to the person who uses this line of thinking. 8 years of repeating non-arguments means they haven't been using critical thinking or evidence based statements for 8 years; and for many its been longer than that through religious fundamentalism and other cults training them for obedience. It's pretty similar to Scientology; critics are evil because they have bad energy from a past life or some shit. You can dismiss anyone and anything, even family. Just repeat it over and over and you don't have to even think. It atrophies their brain because there's no way to engage with it, to learn new information, or to prove it false. They literally need cult deprogramming and have to slowly relearn how to have evidence based discussions and it usually takes years.
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Religion is the perfect way to describe it, which is funny because most of them are members of another religion and I'm pretty sure false idol worship is against one of their commandments 😆
 
Brazen said:
So after being brieft he calls it a hoax because he also says there's nothing there. And when he says "nothing there" it's assumed nothing beyond what's not already know to the public.

Now I believe there is waaaaaaay more there and hopefully we get to know what exactly it all entails. But there could be a multitude of reasons why we don't know anything more and the TDS narrative doesn't even makes sense when you think about it.
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Republicans actively try to block the files to be released now, which is even odder. While transferring Maxwell in a more comfy prison after "discussing" with her.

Why all of this is happening all of a sudden while there is nothing to see ? Why didn't they live her in her prison ?
 
Baemono said:
Republicans actively try to block the files to be released now, which is even odder. While transferring Maxwell in a more comfy prison after "discussing" with her.

Why all of this is happening all of a sudden while there is nothing to see ? Why didn't they live her in her prison ?
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No idea why some republicans are trying to block the files. They should be asked.
The real answers to your question we have no knowledge or context of, the DoJ have not done any press releases on Maxwell after talking with her.
If you have any evidence of malpractice though those authorities, we are all ears.
 
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Conjecture from a representative saying what he thinks isn't evidence nor factual news of anything.
If he has whistleblowers or intelligence suggesting a coverup happening within the federal government then Raskin need to release some receipts.
 
He should just turn all the files over to Sotheby's Auction house and let the wealthy class try to out bid the common folk to either squash or release them :P

Could probably pay for the next nuclear aircraft carrier with the winnings.
 
Let's see what the next distraction they cook up to try and get people to forget about this.

I expect something as early as Monday.
 
adamsapple said:
Let's see what the next distraction they cook up to try and get people to forget about this.
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The debate whether Epstein "killed himself" or not has been ongoing for five years now so doubt it'll be forgotten by the public anytime soon.
Shame we couldn't have gotten more proof like this video sooner.

edit: And what is the "distraction" exactly? Other news happening in the world? Will disagree here, multiple news cycles happens daily and the market ultimately decides which story gets on top, which stays relevant, etc. So, either every story has a distraction narrative when other news happens, or the process of news is no different than it always has been.
 
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"BEYOND THE BEAUTIFUL, "PERFECT MAPS" — DONALD J. TRUMP HAS MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS. SOON, I — GAVIN C. NEWSOM — WILL BE SHARING RECORDS THAT SHOULD CONCERN HIM.

I DIDN'T WANT TO RELEASE THEM — OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT (NOT THE PRESIDENT) — BUT MIKE "LITTLE MAN" JOHNSON'S HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE HAS REQUESTED THEM!!! WHOOPS.

WON'T BE PRETTY FOR DONNIE J. MANY ARE SAYING IT COULD BE THE FINAL NAIL IN HIS LONG CAREER OF LYING. THIS AND THE MAPS. "IT'S OVER." THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. — GCN"

real twitter post from 2 days ago
interested to see if anything comes out of this
 
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Trump on mic talking about grabbing women by the pussy.
Trump found liable for sexual abuse.
Dozens of sexual misconduct allegations against Trump.
Trump's own weird remarks including how JE liked them young.
Trump's very public friendly history with JE.

But yet it's somehow implausible Trump could be a part of any sex trafficking done by JE possibly including with minors or at least having known about it? His administration having been riding the hype train to re-election central suddenly started to hard pump the brakes on releasing info despite his maga base valuing this above just about any other story. Trump had the easiest win releasing information if it either exonerated him or showed nothing at all - he just had to take one step forward. Instead of did a handstand while moonwalking in figure eights. But sure, there's nothing there.
 
lughnasadh123 said:
Trump on mic talking about grabbing women by the pussy.
Trump found liable for sexual abuse.
Dozens of sexual misconduct allegations against Trump.
Trump's own weird remarks including how JE liked them young.
Trump's very public friendly history with JE.

But yet it's somehow implausible Trump could be a part of any sex trafficking done by JE possibly including with minors or at least having known about it? His administration having been riding the hype train to re-election central suddenly started to hard pump the brakes on releasing info despite his maga base valuing this above just about any other story. Trump had the easiest win releasing information if it either exonerated him or showed nothing at all - he just had to take one step forward. Instead of did a handstand while moonwalking in figure eights. But sure, there's nothing there.
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This is where the TDS hysteria is at full tinfoil.
The case you're referring to where Trump was found liable is the E. Carroll civil case. It wasn't a criminal trial so nothing was proven here. People should read up on the details of this particular case rather than do the same one-liner hot takes. It was a he said/she said scenario that happened in a public setting and her story has detail alterations over the years.

None of that is to say that Trump doesn't have criminal implications in the Epstein case. But the files could be held up because it might be that there is no there there, or there is some other implications involved on intelligence/other cases, or something is still on going. The truth is we don't know why the details of this case has not been released over the past five years.
 
Forsete said:
WHY IS EVERYONE TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS?
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steve carrell anchorman GIF by FirstAndMonday
 
Brazen said:
This is where the TDS hysteria is at full tinfoil.
The case you're referring to where Trump was found liable is the E. Carroll civil case. It wasn't a criminal trial so nothing was proven here. People should read up on the details of this particular case rather than do the same one-liner hot takes. It was a he said/she said scenario that happened in a public setting and her story has detail alterations over the years.

None of that is to say that Trump doesn't have criminal implications in the Epstein case. But the files could be held up because it might be that there is no there there, or there is some other implications involved on intelligence/other cases, or something is still on going. The truth is we don't know why the details of this case has not been released over the past five years.
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Trump does a fantastic job of keeping people around to cover his ass. My god, his own words - HIS! - are incredibly damning. Or is this where people brushing that off as he's "just joking". "TDS" is just the flame shield his supporters use when some pretty damn hinky shit spills out yet again. I'd at least appreciate the honesty from some that you straight up don't give a shit about all the bad things Trump does. Just admit it instead of dripping vanilla on a pile of shit while yelling how great it smells.
 
lughnasadh123 said:
Trump does a fantastic job of keeping people around to cover his ass. My god, his own words - HIS! - are incredibly damning. Or is this where people brushing that off as he's "just joking". "TDS" is just the flame shield his supporters use when some pretty damn hinky shit spills out yet again. I'd at least appreciate the honesty from some that you straight up don't give a shit about all the bad things Trump does. Just admit it instead of dripping vanilla on a pile of shit while yelling how great it smells.
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If his words were "incredibly damning" then why did people vote for him? His campaign should've sunk in the public's eyes.
 
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