There is no Epstein Client List
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Bojji
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This is what she was doing for Epstein:
But she saw nothing, no clients or anything...
No one will be convicted in this whole shit show, even without Pardon Maxwell will be soon free. "Justice" is only for poor people.
Brazen
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All leading to circumstantial events and allegations, which is why I believe there was a institutional coverup and probably no internal investigation in part or fully.This is what she was doing for Epstein:
But she saw nothing, no clients or anything...
No one will be convicted in this whole shit show, even without Pardon Maxwell will be soon free. "Justice" is only for poor people.
Yes Maxwell is liar but we have separate testimonies of nothing here so far.
"Release the files" have turned into "the files isn't giving us what we wanted." Knew this would be a disappointment.
ResurrectedContrarian
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I found the same (ABC News) article from this screenshot... and this is the part that follows:
and....
Bojji
Gold Member
I found the same (ABC News) article from this screenshot... and this is the part that follows:
and....
Like they would allow this... People can literally lose their lives (and did). No wonder they don't pursue further seeing that nothing will happen to those powerful people anyway.
Look at Diddy: tapes, baby oil, witnesses, tons of victims (including underage) and motherfucker gots almost nothing for it...
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El Muerto
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Another example of the powerful skirting the law. An Israeli official got caught up in a sting in Las Vegas the other day. Our government allowed him to fly back home. If it was any other person their passport would of been seized.
Israeli official arrested in child sex sting will fight charge: attorney
Tom Artiom Alexandrovich, a senior Israeli cybersecurity official, will "vigorously defend himself" after being nabbed in a child sex sting, his attorney told Newsweek.
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Baemono
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You mean despite the fact that people still voted for him even when he tried to overcome an election result resulted in a death of a policeman and then promised to pardon all of the people prosecuted for it ? Like that's okay but his words are where people would draw the line ?
Brazen
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It was a popular decision amongst his support and a campaign promise, obviously he won...
12Goblins
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Wait until you find out she never saw Epstein do anything inappropriate either!
Jeffrey Epstein's ex-girlfriend claimed she "never saw any inappropriate underage activities" with him
Jeffrey Epstein's ex-girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell repeatedly denied hiring anyone under the age of 18 for him in newly released transcripts.
www.cbsnews.com
(Stop rotting ur brain and following bots on Twitter)
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
So I actually read the interview transcripts. In full.
All this "known perjurer" stuff is yet more regurgitated gossip sludge. She was charged with that, those charges were dropped, and for good reason. The basis for them was nonsense. It was, as far as I can tell, solely based on she-said-she-said in the civil suit Giuffre filed against her in 2016. Not hard evidence placing Maxwell in a lie, or her own words catching her in a contradiction - literally just testimony from alleged victims paired with her denial. But we shouldn't be surprised by stretched charges given the team on prosecution.
Obviously you have to take her word with a significant amount of salt, but you wanted files and testimony and you wanted transparency. Most of what she said fits with the corpus of publicly available information.
It's truly shocking how much the media and supposedly organic platforms on the internet refuse to look at the actual evidence while still discussing this 6 years on from Epstein's death.
All this "known perjurer" stuff is yet more regurgitated gossip sludge. She was charged with that, those charges were dropped, and for good reason. The basis for them was nonsense. It was, as far as I can tell, solely based on she-said-she-said in the civil suit Giuffre filed against her in 2016. Not hard evidence placing Maxwell in a lie, or her own words catching her in a contradiction - literally just testimony from alleged victims paired with her denial. But we shouldn't be surprised by stretched charges given the team on prosecution.
Obviously you have to take her word with a significant amount of salt, but you wanted files and testimony and you wanted transparency. Most of what she said fits with the corpus of publicly available information.
It's truly shocking how much the media and supposedly organic platforms on the internet refuse to look at the actual evidence while still discussing this 6 years on from Epstein's death.
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Celcius
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A very interesting video that I found:
After going down the rabbit hole even more, it seems like the Zorro Ranch in New Mexico was actually his center of operations even more so than the island. It was even more private than the island and HUGE. The pictures in the zillow/realtor.com listings don't show the weird rooms. In the above video two guys tried to pose as buyers and you had to sign an NDA and show proof of funds for the Realtor to be willing to answer all questions or tour the property. The stairs that the employees weren't allowed to go down lead to the areas under the house where the real weird stuff went down. One thing I never noticed was in the pictures of the front of the house on realtor.com you can see bars on the windows... these weren't just decorative, it was to actually keep you trapped inside. And just like the island, even if you did get out and try to run, the desert area surrounding the house was huge. Plus it seems like this is the one property that the FBI didn't raid?
And then if you look up the actual main mansion of the zorro ranch on google and zoom in... see that red van? That seems to be the same vehicle that one dude mentioned when he was looking at the house with a drone and then the person spotted it and immediately drove right over to his car and looked like he was about to draw a gun before seeing that his whole family was in the car (and this was like 2-3 years after Epstein died).
All this plus reading the thread on the new mexico subreddit where locals are trying to put together what info locals who went there to work on the place and stuff may know... the more I find out the weirder it all is.
After going down the rabbit hole even more, it seems like the Zorro Ranch in New Mexico was actually his center of operations even more so than the island. It was even more private than the island and HUGE. The pictures in the zillow/realtor.com listings don't show the weird rooms. In the above video two guys tried to pose as buyers and you had to sign an NDA and show proof of funds for the Realtor to be willing to answer all questions or tour the property. The stairs that the employees weren't allowed to go down lead to the areas under the house where the real weird stuff went down. One thing I never noticed was in the pictures of the front of the house on realtor.com you can see bars on the windows... these weren't just decorative, it was to actually keep you trapped inside. And just like the island, even if you did get out and try to run, the desert area surrounding the house was huge. Plus it seems like this is the one property that the FBI didn't raid?
And then if you look up the actual main mansion of the zorro ranch on google and zoom in... see that red van? That seems to be the same vehicle that one dude mentioned when he was looking at the house with a drone and then the person spotted it and immediately drove right over to his car and looked like he was about to draw a gun before seeing that his whole family was in the car (and this was like 2-3 years after Epstein died).
All this plus reading the thread on the new mexico subreddit where locals are trying to put together what info locals who went there to work on the place and stuff may know... the more I find out the weirder it all is.
Madserb2023
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Maybe there is no list now. Epstein might have destroyed it.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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It's been said that Fox News is such a hypocritical and misinformed company that they also make deals with criminals and the mafia, but they're so irresponsible that they act as if they don't know.
Celcius
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VIDEO INSIDE EPSTEIN'S TEMPLE: O'Keefe Releases First-Ever Footage of Mysterious, Striped, Gold-Domed Building Interior Just After His Arrest - O'Keefe Media Group
O’Keefe Media Group (OMG) has obtained exclusive, never-before-seen video and photographs from inside the most controversial structure on Jeffrey Epstein’s private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands. Commonly referred to as “The Temple,” the building has been the subject of years of public...
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I had no idea that there was actually video footage of the inside of the temple on his island
Kinda creepy with the ceiling and not sure why both columns have different designs, but otherwise nothing super crazy like stairs going down or anything
Celcius
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House panel to question former Trump official who oversaw Epstein's plea deal
The House Oversight Committee also issued a subpoena to Jeffrey Epstein's estate, seeking any records that "could be reasonably construed to be a potential list of clients."
www.nbcnews.com
"The Acosta interview is scheduled for Sept. 19."
New subpoenas went out today, Alex Acosta (at last) and the Epstein Estate
Hopefully we finally get some answers
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DKPOWPOW
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House panel to question former Trump official who oversaw Epstein's plea deal
The House Oversight Committee also issued a subpoena to Jeffrey Epstein's estate, seeking any records that "could be reasonably construed to be a potential list of clients."
"The Acosta interview is scheduled for Sept. 19."
New subpoenas went out today, Alex Acosta (at last) and the Epstein Estate
Hopefully we finally get some answers
yeah right.
This goes so deep it is insane.
The level of connections Epstein had, it is mind boggeling. This guy, who never even graduated high school....
Gets a ranch in a New Mexico from their then Governor. Turns this over 8000 acre ranch into practically a small town. Private doctors, ranch hands, an air strip and underground tunnels. The taxes he pays on this place are equal to buying a fucking trailer home.
This is just in New Mexico. Not the island, not all the other shit. And this is after he is already hit with the pedo charge in 2008. After his pathetic slap on the wrist.
The level of fuckery going on. Disgusting. It's straight up beyond anything I think most of us would even want to imagine. But it's there, it's sickeningly obvious. This monster was so well connected, that there is no answer for it. No good one.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
House panel to question former Trump official who oversaw Epstein's plea deal
The House Oversight Committee also issued a subpoena to Jeffrey Epstein's estate, seeking any records that "could be reasonably construed to be a potential list of clients."
"The Acosta interview is scheduled for Sept. 19."
New subpoenas went out today, Alex Acosta (at last) and the Epstein Estate
Hopefully we finally get some answers
You've gotten answers, people just don't like them if they're even aware they've been given.
Bill Barr has denied knowing of any evidence that would suggest a client list to this same committee.
If they had bothered to read the OPR report referenced in this same article, they would know Alex Acosta has nothing to hand over in terms of files or evidence pertaining to anything but Epstein, and that the "sweetheart deal" was written up because the decision makers (not exclusively Acosta) were not confident they would get a conviction against Epstein, and that he had the resources to push it far enough to the point of getting that plea deal. Acosta is asked if "he" signed off on the deal or pushed for it by way of knowledge of or influence by intelligence. He denies this outright, and the most eager of the prosecutors that pursued Epstein in the lead up to the agreement said that it was an "urban myth" as far back as 2011. The source for that crap is very likely gossiper in chief Steve Bannon, relayed by Vicki Ward who herself is not even convinced that Epstein was associated with intelligence in any formal or even informal sense.
Mike Benz (whom I linked earlier) is convinced that Epstein was associated with intelligence for illicit weapons dealings back in the 80s, but may have done some Always Sunny tier dot connecting himself.
If they want to discover things that haven't been laundered, recycled and twisted by every salacious tabloid and podcast sphere, they should be looking at the primary sources concerning the initial claims in the first place.
I understand what Dershowitz meant when he said that there are files being sealed for the benefit of alleged victims/plaintiffs/accusers. For example, I doubt that Giuffre's estate wants it out in the public consciousness that the manuscript from which her soon to be posthumously released memoir may have evolved was admitted to be a "fictionalized account" by her own lawyers in the court filings for her suit against Maxwell.
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
So you just know nothing. He graduated from high school at 16 actually skipping two grades. He left university without getting a degree in math sciences which he was studying.
It's so weird to see people in 2025 appealing to credentialism. Back when Epstein was of college age, not everyone was "going to college"; NY banking was rapidly evolving via technology and globalization. It was pretty informalized back in the 80s. One day, there may be a formalized education towards crypto. But right now, it's the wild west. It's colloquially popular to say that university is useless right now.
ResilientBanana
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If there's no files or evidence of anything, why was he in prison in the first place?
Brazen
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There are supposedly multiple layers to the Epstein episode. What he went to prison for was the personal stuff of minor sex trafficking, prostitution, abuse, etc. The "files" mostly refer to the next layer where there was a ring of powerful/wealthy people involved criminally with Epstein based on allegations, circumstantial evidence like his flight/plane logs, and past associations that we know of so far. Then there is a final layer of grand conspiracy that Epstein was used by our/foreign intelligence as some shadow operation for being a black mail ring, intelligence gathering, etc with other powerful/wealthy individuals on top of everything else which has a lot of speculation and circumstantial gossip, etc.
What he went to prison for is based on investigations/court proceedings of Epstein personal implications that we know of publicly.
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ProtoByte
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I know this is a rhetorical question, but there is an answer.
I didn't say there were no files or units of evidence of "anything". I literally said I understand what Dershowitz meant when he said there are files being sealed to the benefit of alleged victims/accusers. And I'm not just talking about anonymity, if I'm talking about that at all in some cases.
Epstein pled guilty to 2 prostitution charges in 2008. There are plenty of files and things around that.
He was arrested again in 2019 after Julie K. Brown reintroduced that plea deal into the public record in 2018. Brown has some credibility issues by proxy, to put it mildly. By her own claims, the MeToo wave and the reaction to those articles she wrote triggered the SDNY to start another investigation into him. Bradley Edwards wrote a book about the decade he spent working to get Epstein federally prosecuted.
There are scores of files that I've referred to or linked here. When you actually read them, you get a slightly different picture to an elite blackmail ring.
DKPOWPOW
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well i was just going off what i had read in regards to his education. either way, you dont get away with what he did unless you have a smattering compound of connections.
Hot5pur
Member
Call me cynical, but I actually don't think anyone gives a shit about the Epstein victims.
Liberals want to see Trump removed or finally get what he deserves.
MAGA conservatives are terrified of having their reality shattered about their king who they worship second only to Jesus.
People in the center are just like "WTF", when will this nightmare be over already.
Liberals want to see Trump removed or finally get what he deserves.
MAGA conservatives are terrified of having their reality shattered about their king who they worship second only to Jesus.
People in the center are just like "WTF", when will this nightmare be over already.
Celcius
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This elderly woman claims to be an eye witness and tells how she saw Trump, Clinton, and Prince Andrew all coming and going to/from Epstein's NY house and all the young girls over the years. This kinda reminds me of the locals in the new mexico and carribean areas saying everyone knew what was really going on. She sounds very believable having lived in the very neighborhood her whole life and talks about how they would show up in their vehicles with security guards.
edit: found the full video:
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rm082e
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Liberals weren't the ones going on about the Epstein story for all these years. Yes, there are liberals who have commented on it, but the whole reason it's still a story is the Trump team was pandering to the MAGA celebrities who have kept the story alive on the hope that Trump would release all the info when he won a second term. They've been convinced there is evidence that would prove Bill Clinton and a bunch of Democrats were raping kids.
Liberals have really only jumped on this story recently when Bondi said she had the files on her desk and would be releasing them soon, then backtracked, then MAGA got up in arms pissed at the Trump team over it. They're piling on the bandwagon because it's bad for Trump, but they didn't start this mess.
And it's not cynical to think no one cares about the victims - it's just a fact. They're a political football and always have been. Most people still don't even know who Virginia Giuffre is.
Punished Miku
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That one got me lol.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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Heimdall_Xtreme
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How could anyone be interested???
If that shows the government is full of ped'phil®s and that they're the ones truly responsible for organized crime and drug trafficking... While they hypocritically want to blame other countries... Anyway, John Bolton and Putin have the files... Where they extort the powerful in the US.
I say... Hypocritically, Orange claims that Gary Weeb committed suicide... But he doesn't say that he was sent to be killed as it is...
The MAGA people, I imagine, live in their own imaginary world, and no matter how much evidence you give them, they don't come out of their imaginary bubble and get angry, demonstrating their ignorance...
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Celcius
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Why do you think John Bolton has the Epstein files lol
Heimdall_Xtreme
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Also, being the one responsible for organizing coups in Venezuela with Juan Guaidó... I mean, John Bolton has always given and destabilized many countries around the world with his coups.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
For one, he didn't "get away" with whatever it is you think he did. He pled guilty to 2 charges, spent 13 months in jail and registered as a sex offender. He was then arrested again a decade later and died in jail.
Second, you need to sort out where you're reading this stuff.
The two most likely possible explanation for the raid on Bolton are the following:
- He's actually done something for cause of investigation and potential indictment
- The Trump admin is exercising its investigative powers for political retribution
DownLikeBCPowder
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What I really don't get is why the narrative for the Bolton raid is "political retribution" in many places I see it headlined - "revenge" even. Why were the raids on Trump and other "related" associates seemingly not considered "revenge" or "retaliation"? Not suggesting you are saying this, but something I can't help but see all over.
Celcius
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You guys know the birthday book that Trump and others have been denying? Well the Epstein estate (recently subpoenaed) says that it actually does exist and they're going to hand it over on September 8th:
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Edit: confirmed by CNN and MSNBC
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DeafTourette
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Trump has shown that he's the type to go after people he feels wronged him, whether they did or not. He's done exactly that to people his whole life with frivolous lawsuits that make no sense (like the lawsuit against CBS that has nothing to do with him, his business nor his presidency).
The maralago raid was after a year of back and forth with his lawyers and estate trying to get classified documents back that he kept and didn't want to give back, lying about not having them when he did.
The Bolton raid is almost all supposition and gives the air of retribution. No proof of any wrongdoing or even a request for something. It doesn't pass the smell test.
It will hang itself on the way to trial.You guys know the birthday book that Trump and others have been denying? Well the Epstein estate (recently subpoenaed) says that it actually does exist and they're going to hand it over on September 8th:
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Celcius
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It's surprising how much information is available online. For example:
This is the household manual for the Palm Beach mansion that they had all of the maids sign and use. Reading this document, I know what they had for breakfast every day, what kind of soap or shampoo they used, the magazines they read... there's TONS of stuff in here that I never expected to know lol. It also kinda gives you an impression of what life was like there. It tells the maids to "see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing, except to answer a question directed at you" on page 4 for example. For some reason when it mentions cleaning pool "toys" it puts "toys" in quotes. Very strange...
Jeffrey Epstein Household Manual : Epstein Household : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Government Exhibit 606 - S220 Cr:300 - Jeffrey Epstein Palm Beach Household manual, submitted as part of Ghislaine trial, 2021.Source:...
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This is the household manual for the Palm Beach mansion that they had all of the maids sign and use. Reading this document, I know what they had for breakfast every day, what kind of soap or shampoo they used, the magazines they read... there's TONS of stuff in here that I never expected to know lol. It also kinda gives you an impression of what life was like there. It tells the maids to "see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing, except to answer a question directed at you" on page 4 for example. For some reason when it mentions cleaning pool "toys" it puts "toys" in quotes. Very strange...
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12Goblins
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dafuq is weetabixIt's surprising how much information is available online. For example:
Jeffrey Epstein Household Manual : Epstein Household : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Government Exhibit 606 - S220 Cr:300 - Jeffrey Epstein Palm Beach Household manual, submitted as part of Ghislaine trial, 2021.Source:...archive.org
This is the household manual for the Palm Beach mansion that they had all of the maids sign and use. Reading this document, I know what they had for breakfast every day, what kind of soap or shampoo they used, the magazines they read... there's TONS of stuff in here that I never expected to know lol. It also kinda gives you an impression of what life was like there. It tells the maids to "see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing, except to answer a question directed at you" on page 4 for example. For some reason when it mentions cleaning pool "toys" it puts "toys" in quotes. Very strange...
Ur a billionaire and this is what you eat for breakfast?
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Ahead of the upcoming "bombshell" press conference on this issue, I would like to quote an excerpt from Bradley Edwards' book about Epstein called Relentless Pursuit: I have not personally read the thing, but Edwards is an important name in all of this. He's one of the two most consistently involved lawyers in this saga (as far as I'm aware), and was the source of the civil litigation that occurred after Epstein's non prosecution agreement, and of the blackmail ring conspiracy theory by proxy of Virginia Giuffre. The most famous Epstein "survivor" and one of Edwards' chief clients.
He is collaborating with Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie (whose proposed bill is absolutely useless in getting disclosure about things such as any intelligence ties Epstein may or may not have had, or anything that isn't already out there) in bringing forward "survivors"/alleged victims to rally for more files to be released. Also to be noted, the DOJ does not have plenary power to release the Grand Jury documents they've already been denied permission to release from either the SDNY or Florida. The bill wouldn't change that in any way.
I know for a fact that no one in the mainstream media or the anyone on Khanna or Massie's teams have read Edwards' book, either. Otherwise they would be forced to ask some serious questions:
He is collaborating with Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie (whose proposed bill is absolutely useless in getting disclosure about things such as any intelligence ties Epstein may or may not have had, or anything that isn't already out there) in bringing forward "survivors"/alleged victims to rally for more files to be released. Also to be noted, the DOJ does not have plenary power to release the Grand Jury documents they've already been denied permission to release from either the SDNY or Florida. The bill wouldn't change that in any way.
I know for a fact that no one in the mainstream media or the anyone on Khanna or Massie's teams have read Edwards' book, either. Otherwise they would be forced to ask some serious questions:
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Brazen
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A lot of information got released this week, tens of thousands of documents, will take some time for the experts to process.
Most are more along the lines of "wait and see" and just want to know what really happened. Exposure is the best thing for all those victims and yes people do care, have for years, and are working tirelessly behind the scenes against some EXTREMELY POWERFUL opposition.... More should realize this tidbit, imo.
No, most won't care on a personal level or anything like that but on a level of humanity? Everyone should be caring and watching.
Most are more along the lines of "wait and see" and just want to know what really happened. Exposure is the best thing for all those victims and yes people do care, have for years, and are working tirelessly behind the scenes against some EXTREMELY POWERFUL opposition.... More should realize this tidbit, imo.
No, most won't care on a personal level or anything like that but on a level of humanity? Everyone should be caring and watching.
ChorizoPicozo
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"Are we still taking about Jeffrey... Epstein?"
El Muerto
Member
Apparently the missing minute in the jail video was released.
www.foxnews.com
Video shows 'missing minute' from previous Epstein jail camera release | Fox News Video
Video shows a minute that was missing during a previous release of surveillance camera video files in Jeffrey Epstein's jail area in the Metropolitan Correctional Center. That minute lasted from midnight to 12:01 AM on August 10, 2019.
www.foxnews.com
Celcius
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I noticed that during the conference too. I was thinking to myself "that's GOT to be on purpose".
And then trump calling it a hoax afterwards, he's clearly trying to run from the truth for as long as he can.
I really liked the one survivor at the end that basically told him to come down there and say that to her face lol
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Oh come now, the complexities, logistics, and clearances necessary to have a plane fly over a specific urban spot right as this press conference is happening would involve DOZENS and DOZENS of people. They are outside in D.C., in some of the most monitored and surveilled airspace ON THE PLANET. You think some pilot can get tapped on his shoulder by a guy in a trenchcoat and told to do this on his own?
Regardless, there are legions of autistic folks that track shit like this, they will show the receipts of that aircraft, where it came from, where it was going, and how often something like this happens.
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