There is no Epstein Client List
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Mispost.
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Nocty
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ProtoByte
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My goodness. It never ends.
Common sense question: Are these not the named and videoed victims of the supposed Epstein conspiracy operation that decided to call this conference? Have they not been uniquely and able to credibly name names and point to actionable evidence?
Why not do it at your bombshell conference?? Why not today? Why not years before today?
Preliminary findings seem to amount to an Epstein binder photo op redux. Nothing new, no red meat.
It's a fallacy, especially because they are not the only people involved. If there are hundreds of victims, then a small panel isn't going to cover every incident or situation.
Then again...if that was so easy, then why all these delays, lying and redactions? It doesn't seem right to still call this a "hoax" after all.
Hot5pur
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At this point what is clear is that Trump has transferred a horrible person that should be jailed for life to a pampered prison and tries to cover up the severity of the entire Epstein scandal. Even if didn't take advantage of those girls, he knows he's all over those files and that's too much for his ego.
The saddest part is that he could have made half intelligent excuses as to why he can't release the files. But instead he fell back on old talking points like a broken record, claiming it was some democratic hoax - talk about severe mental decline, either that or he has no respect for even his own supporters, I mean if asking them for money to get into heaven wasn't enough of a clue, I don't know what is. At this point for the average MAGA person it's too much to stomach having been duped to follow and egomaniac so to protect their own ego and avoid shattering their reality, you must keep the course, orange man good, no matter what. Even if it means covering up horrific things done to those poor girls.
The saddest part is that he could have made half intelligent excuses as to why he can't release the files. But instead he fell back on old talking points like a broken record, claiming it was some democratic hoax - talk about severe mental decline, either that or he has no respect for even his own supporters, I mean if asking them for money to get into heaven wasn't enough of a clue, I don't know what is. At this point for the average MAGA person it's too much to stomach having been duped to follow and egomaniac so to protect their own ego and avoid shattering their reality, you must keep the course, orange man good, no matter what. Even if it means covering up horrific things done to those poor girls.
12Goblins
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Since DJT called the victims lying Democrats couple of weeks ago, that means we can infer that Trump was involved doing inappropriate things with Epstein! Checkmate pedocons! ᕙ(￣︶￣)ᕗ
poppabk
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What democrat narrative? What lies?
This was a republican led initiative, thats the only reason it ever gained traction.
Unknown Soldier
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
So what happened between 2009 and now?
It wasn't a hoax in 2009, why is it a hoax in 2025?
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ReasonBeing
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Dude, the lawyer isn't saying that. This at best is misrepresentation of the statement, and the clip also leaves out important context.
YCoCg
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Good, then let's listen to these people and go after who they say! Like I don't get what the issue is, you seem to keep pushing that only Trump matters when it's not, it's about getting the details out there and going after who is! Clinton? Gates? Whoever else, let's get that shit in public.
Baemono
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The guy tweeting that basically:
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poppabk
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This wasn't about Trump at all until he started acting weird about the whole thing. Now its like all that is memory holed for some people and this was always some democrat led attack on Trump.
Baemono
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Why it is all of a sudden a democrat's thing ? He ran on releasing it, and then he said "are you still talking about it ?". Trump supporters wanted the list to be released, and now it's all of a sudden a "democrat hoax", really ?
El Muerto
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That tells you that they have no tangible proof (not surprising given the time gap and nature of the offense, sadly). Otherwise they could just go to a DA and press sexual assault/rape charges, rarely can the accused sue his accuser in civil court while defending himself in a criminal court.
El Muerto
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Even if it's true or not. Our court system works in favor of who has the most money. If those girls name names then all those rich buddies of Epstein will sue them. They'll drag out the case so court cases and lawyer fees will accumulate to the point where those girls will run out of money and ruin them. This isnt some everyday sexual assault case either, there's some powerful people involved. People who run this country and the courts. A DA cannot win this, at all lol. This is why Massie and MTG are willing to read off the list during congress, they will be immune to such lawsuits.
Epstein list could be read on House floor under constitutional immunity
Two Republicans have said they would be willing to use a constitutional immunity rule to read the names of alleged abusers.
www.newsweek.com
The "practical" way these things get settled is with a settlement $$$ and a NDA (this seems to be the Trump MO). But for UNDERAGE RAPE, not some sort of coerced/willing adult office affair type thing, I bet there would be a lot more DAs willing to push the case, especially if the offender is the opposite political spectrum from the DA. But yah gotta have solid proof, which is the thing that's so hard in these cases, particularly pre cell phones with all the records they keep.Even if it's true or not. Our court system works in favor of who has the most money. If those girls name names then all those rich buddies of Epstein will sue them. They'll drag out the case so court cases and lawyer fees will accumulate to the point where those girls will run out of money and ruin them. This isnt some everyday sexual assault case either, there's some powerful people involved. People who run this country and the courts. A DA cannot win this, at all lol. This is why Massie and MTG are willing to read off the list during congress, they will be immune to such lawsuits.
Epstein list could be read on House floor under constitutional immunity
Two Republicans have said they would be willing to use a constitutional immunity rule to read the names of alleged abusers.
Paula Jones went after Clinton in civil court, so it certainly can be done. Or go look at the Roman Polanski case. Even in the 70's that shit got as smoothed over as much as possible but there were still serious repercussions and there was no way to "sue the victim into homelessness".
Toons
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The real time gaslight attempts are INSANE.
DeafTourette
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They are!
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DeafTourette
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ProtoByte
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Even if it's true or not. Our court system works in favor of who has the most money. If those girls name names then all those rich buddies of Epstein will sue them. They'll drag out the case so court cases and lawyer fees will accumulate to the point where those girls will run out of money and ruin them. This isnt some everyday sexual assault case either, there's some powerful people involved. People who run this country and the courts. A DA cannot win this, at all lol. This is why Massie and MTG are willing to read off the list during congress, they will be immune to such lawsuits.
Epstein list could be read on House floor under constitutional immunity
Two Republicans have said they would be willing to use a constitutional immunity rule to read the names of alleged abusers.
This "we're intimidated, we'll get sued" stuff is horseshit.
The whole reason this story has persisted in the public consciousness is because of big names already directly accused of or implied to have committed abuse. Sarah Ransome claimed that she had video evidence of sexual encounters with Bill Clinton, Trump and Richard Branson. When she eventually had to recant those claims, she did not get sued into homelessness. Last I read, she is living comfortably in Catalonia.
Virginia Giuffre is an even better example. She used court filings to make claims against a slew of people, including Maxwell, Dershowitz and Prince Andrew. Court filings are generally immune from civil litigation if made in "good faith", whatever that means and whenever that gets evaluated. When each of these parties denied her allegations outside of court, she would sue them for defamation. They would then countersue. Not a single one of those suits was adjudicated in a verdict. All settlements. Not Maxwell or Prince Andrew were not required to admit wrongdoing, and Dershowitz was vindicated. Sustaining the allegations against others, she moved to Australia and bought an oceanfront mansion in Perth and a separate ranch estate. Between the Epstein Victims Compensation fund, the DB and JPM class action lawsuits and a slew of media payouts, you can estimate an easy 30-40 million dollar from her chronically inconsistent claims. Giuffre, who herself was accused by Carolyn Andriano (one of the 2 witnesses in the Maxwell trial who jurors were not instructed against considering as a victim of sex crimes by the judge) of telling her to go give Epstein a "massage" and avoid disclosing her age. She made the more exhaustive claims in a Daily Mail interview, where she only said that Giuffre "introduced" her to Maxwell and Epstein in trial testimony. The Daily Mail interview is shocking if you read it properly.
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Do they really think their own base is that stupid?
Maybe they do, but come on.
I'm sure there's plenty of liberals involved, but redacting all the Republicans is so self-servingly corrupt.
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poppabk
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This was one of those crappy stings - dude was probably just saying whatever he thought would get him laid.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Brazen
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Poor framing of the question imo.
He wasn't calling it a hoax in 2009-2025 up until a few months ago. And the "it" part Trump was referring to is more than likely the recent narratives that flared up rather than the entire case. Shouldn't need to be said but there's just as much bs reports and allegations around Epstein as there has been with any high profile national/world news.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The only reason why there even are recent narratives is because of how dodgy and sketchy the current admin is being about the whole thing. "We have the files" to "There are no files", "The minute missing in the footage is how all prisons operate" to "actually it isn't".
If the current admin is not responsible, they sure as hell aren't helping their case with their behavior.
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Brazen
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Or perhaps Washington DC is a swamp? Going from people you don't always trust at local/state to people who are even worse at the federal is a different game.
Or perhaps some of the new administration is still young, green, and got ahead of themselves?
Yes they messed up investigating Epstein but at least they are addressing Epstein now which is far better than *crickets* since 2019...
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Young green and got ahead? lol, lmao even.
Releasing this info was a major part of many of their pitches during the election period.
Yeah, they're addressing it because of the relentless pressure from both sides of the aisle, if it were left up to their own devices, they would have stopped at "there's no client list" and completely swept it under the rug.
Brazen
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We are talking about the administration? How else would you describe some like say Bondi? Old and experienced? No that would be the ultimate LMFAO...
If you're suggesting an institutional coverup then it won't matter which mouthbreather they have in front of the press cameras. Trump, Kamala, nor the holy savior is getting us the truth. Not for this generation at least, see JFK. Doesn't mean a damn thing unless someone is whistleblowing...
This is the next best thing anyone can hope for.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Pam Bondi is 59 years old, she is not young or green by any imaginable metric. She's been in political positions for almost two decades.
She's as seasoned as it comes.
I don't think anyone needs to suggest institutional coverup, we're seeing it happen right before our eyes.
I don't care one way or the other whose doing it, if this was kamala's administration and they were being so sketchy about it, you can bet some portions of the MSM will be up their asses relentlessly as well. The reason this has become a sticking point is how much it was a part of the current admins pre-election promises. Of course people are gonna want accountability.
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Brazen
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She is as green and young as summer grass for being in Washington. Her press releases and interviews just ooze immaturity imo.
We are witnessing incompetence beyond a reasonable doubt for sure. Good luck to all of us finding out the truth then huh?
edit- Addressing the bold. There is a good deal of nothing but only caring about whose doing this. Kinda the point of the whole thread no? People jumping to conclusions on a conspiracy coverup by Trump when those suggestions was born well before his administration came into it. What about the conclusion that the coverup could even be deeper than Trump's administration? And the fumbles are a symptom and not a cause?
If I really wanted to sit and ponder, I could come up with more narratives why things happened how they did. There are zero Biden/Kamala coverup narratives/conspiracies that didn't come from the press during his reign... When just going derelict about the whole case would've been PLENTY of ammo for MSM to put them on a rack if calling certain parts of it a hoax now while at least addressing it or trying to.
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Toons
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They don't care how intelligent their base is at this point. Theyve already displayed their willingness to use force and intimidation to engineer compliance and silence. Weve been seeing it happen in real time.
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
She's definitely very mature and very adept at her job, which is why Trump keeps praising her. Corrupt and spineless sycophant I think is the description you're looking for!
YCoCg
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U Unknown Soldier is this something you support? You keep wanting to make this a left Vs Trump thing but does that extend to any right leaning person?
DeafTourette
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Celcius
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I don't care about either political party, but as I understand it all 212 democrats are voting to release the files and 4 republicans so far. Apparently they only need 2 more votes.
What's going through the mind of the 208 people voting against this? Are they really either so self centered or afraid of the president that they'll just do whatever he says?
I just don't understand why people allow such corruption and evil to stay hidden in the shadows of our society.
What's going through the mind of the 208 people voting against this? Are they really either so self centered or afraid of the president that they'll just do whatever he says?
I just don't understand why people allow such corruption and evil to stay hidden in the shadows of our society.
Brazen
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Washington isn't known as a swamp for no reason. They all come corrupt and spineless on some various level there and is likely why Epstein is in the state is. Bondi getting ahead of herself and making premature statements on this very case is more along the lines of incompetence, however. Perhaps she should verify all findings before handing out another set of already publicly known binders...
Celcius
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Trump is legit unqualified for his job. He only cares about himself. He lies constantly. Not to mention what he did to Katie Johnson and everyone else in the past. He needs to stop embarrassing us (the American people) and do his job. He can't claim to be the most powerful person in the country after the way he keeps running and hiding from the truth.
Job numbers are so bad it has Trump talking about his old friend epstein
Mistake
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Unfortunately these kind of bills are rarely so simple. They put the main issue front and center and jam in a bunch of other bs. Then when people vote against it they use the thing as a gotcha. That's even more evil in my eyes. Now if it is a one issue bill, then I agree with you
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